sag10 said:

i dont think SweeTea is getting on Ice's case...Ive been asking him the same question for the past two weeks...Something's going on...

Icebuddy...work getting to ya? whats up?

IceNine said:

This obsolutely not racist.

Op/Ed - USA TODAY

Hip-hop's grim undertones

Tue Oct 29, 7:33 AM ET
Mark Goldblatt

The mainstream media are slowly catching up with the buzz on hip-hop Web sites about a possible connection between John Allen Muhammad, indicted in the Washington-area sniper case, and a virulently racist black group called the Five Percent Nation of Gods and Earths, to which several of today's most popular rap acts have acknowledged longstanding ties. [snipped]

Op/Ed - USA TODAY

Hip-hop's grim undertones

Tue Oct 29, 7:33 AM ET
Mark Goldblatt

The mainstream media are slowly catching up with the buzz on hip-hop Web sites about a possible connection between John Allen Muhammad, indicted in the Washington-area sniper case, and a virulently racist black group called the Five Percent Nation of Gods and Earths, to which several of today's most popular rap acts have acknowledged longstanding ties. [snipped]


I see the media is still trying to blame some specific group for John Allen Muhammad's actions. First it was Al Queda, then it was NOI, now it's the Five Percenters.

Why can't this guy just be a friggin nut with a high powered rifle killing folks?

SweeTea said:

Trust me, you don't want to get into a flame war with me...

I am not mad at you and I have not posted anything even REMOTELY racist, so please don't call me a racist for posting something that was not racist in and of itself.

I would truly appreciate it if you would refrain from calling me a racist.

IceNine said:

First of all, let's meet in a private room and we'll see who wins the flame war.

Second, I NEVER called you a racist. But hey, if the shoe fits, blah, blah, blah.

Third, forget the private room, flaming with you is a waste of my time anyway, I'm a lover not a fighter.

Fourth, I really don't care if you're mad at me or not. I never said that either.

End of story. :: Let's move on to the topic at hand.

Trust me, you don't want to get into a flame war with me...

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IceNine said:

yeah? i reckon i could take ya! but seriously folks.. people seem to have lost their sense of humour.. the negativity thread was so obviously sarcasm.. LIGHTEN UP!
and as far as this article goes..if it get's u thinking, that's healthy..if u disagree with it.. cool

SweeTea said:

Once again, do not call me a racist, as I have said NOTHING racist on here.

And... why would you want to meet in a "private room" to get into a flame war? Flame wars are public and that is kind of the point of them.

Please, someone tell me how I have been racist... I really want to know.

IceNine said:

Duh...once again, I NEVER CALLED YOU A RACIST. Private because I would be ashamed of the things coming from my keyboard, and wouldn't want it repeated in public, but forget that. People are trying to play the posting of this article as "tongue in cheek" and "sarcasm", but BE FA REAL something this blatant cannot be passed off as "tongue in cheek". Now that it's here let's deal with the real issue -- how did it make you feel?

Skeletonkee... you are THE MAN!!! I got a special package in the mail today... "Friendly Fire" my friend!

You are not catching on...

THIS ARTICLE WAS NOT POSTED TONGUE-IN-CHEEK!

I posted the article because I thought that people might be interested in reading it.

THE NEGATIVITY TOPIC WAS POSTED AS A JOKE!

AND... you are the one who brought up racism on this thread... in fact, you are the ONLY one who brought it up.

"If the shoe fits" you are wearing it.

IceNine said:

Whatever. I don't have to prove myself to you. But I do have a question for you since YOU were the one who posted this. Are you afraid of these people? I mean, the people discussed in the article -- are you afraid of them. How would you feel if they took on the characteristics of say...the KKK?

IceNine said:

You think you're slick. You're trying to start a race riot here. Using the same tactics the govenment uses -- fear!

But it won't work. This game is stupid. People are getting tired of all the division. We here are all Prince fans. This is our bonding thread. If you don't like it get the ___!

The KKK is a useless bunch of rednecks.

Any and ALL racist organizations, be they white OR black, are full of shit and ignorant.

I am absolutely not afraid of black militants or white supremacists. Both of these groups can fuck themselves for all I care and I have no use for any of them.

So, my question for YOU is this... are YOU a racist? If not, why are you so quick to cry racism and get all offended?

The KKK is a useless bunch of rednecks.

Any and ALL racist organizations, be they white OR black, are full of shit and ignorant.

I am absolutely not afraid of black militants or white supremacists. Both of these groups can fuck themselves for all I care and I have no use for any of them.



Hummm


So, my question for YOU is this... are YOU a racist? If not, why are you so quick to cry racism and get all offended?

I am not a racist. My best friend is a white man --

IceNine said:

I am not a racist. My best friend is a white man -- Italian. We've been friends for almost 20 years, and I love him with all my heart. I'm not quick to cry racism, but I do get offended by the wedges separating people based on pure nonsense. I feel now is not the time to place wedges between the American people. I know some of us don't realize it or may not want to face it, but we are vunerable already as it is. I feel articles like this do nothing to bring us together to save all our asses, cause we all in trouble, and it don't matter what the hell color you are, where you live, or what religion you practice or don't practice.

Anyhow, this is not the first time we've had a heated discussion and I'm sure it won't be the last.

Peace

, . People are trying to play the posting of this article as "tongue in cheek" and "sarcasm", but BE FA REAL something this blatant cannot be passed off as "tongue in cheek".

SweeTea said:

As many black people told Nep2nes:

Dating someone of the opposite sex does not mean that you are not a racist. If this comment applies to a white girl, it can apply to other races as well.


Who said I was dating him? I said he was my best friend and I love him. We don't "date" we are friends and live in 2 different states. There is a difference. So your comments do not apply to me. A racist is not capable of loving a person of a different race, that's why he/she is called a racist.



Sad as it may be, these "wedges separating people" are real and they exist in life. If the article that I posted was one of the aforementioned "wedges" it is not because of me, as I did not write it. On top of this, the article is only pointing out things about a subsection of racists that I did not even know existed (the five-percenters) and I thought that other people might find it interesting to read about.


Yes it is sad, and I have every right to be offended by them. But as I've tried to tell you earlier, if I misintrepted your intentions, I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed that post I guess.



You are right, we probably will get into arguments quite frequently if you continue to say things that are totally out of place and you continue to make assumptions as to what my intentions are in posting things.


Why are they out of place. This article was written to inspire fear to its readers. I have a right to express my opinions and you have the right to disagree.



Now, for the idealistic part of this reply:

I truly wish that racism did not exist and that all people loved each other regardless of race, nationality or socio-economic status, but this is not the situation in which we find ourselves.

EDIT:

Ice-T: "You say you got one black friend, so you're in... Sorry homie, no win"

This same lyric could be:

"You say you got one white friend, so you're in... Sorry homie, no win"



I have no desire to emulate the white culture and believe me, I'm not trying to get in. I LOVE the skin I'm in. And hell it looks GOOD on me. And by the way I do have more than 1 white friend. My other white friend is 6'3" 350lbs, and that's my HOMIE!


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I have no desire to emulate the white culture and believe me, I'm not trying to get in.

Okay, so you are saying that it is impossible for you to be a racist because you have a white friend... by that logic, Nep2nes was not a racist because she had a black boyfriend and Ice-T was wrong with his statement.

I don't care if you want to emulate white culture or want to "get in" at all... you might want to note that what you are saying is separatist though.

Sweetea said:

That doesn't sound like a very unifying statement to me... in fact, it sounds rather separatist. In fact, I suspect that many people would call that a racist statement if a white person said it.

All-in-all, I think that we should really stop here.

Please don't presume anything about my intentions when reading a post, as you have absolutely no way of knowing my intentions.

IceNine said:

I see the media is still trying to blame some specific group for John Allen Muhammad's actions. First it was Al Queda, then it was NOI, now it's the Five Percenters.

Why can't this guy just be a friggin nut with a high powered rifle killing folks?
[This message was edited Thu Oct 31 14:38:47 PST 2002 by Ifsixwuz9]