I really hate to bring this up again, but this video came to my attention seeing as how I can totally relate to it. I thought I would change my problem by now, and I did see some results. But now I've been shot down again and stuck in a rut. Your boy here hit the nail on the head with my problem and I'm glad to see that he's coming out to address this issue.

Y'all think it's easy to just change something like "true forced loneliness" or "involuntary celibacy", but this is a real thing. I know I was bitching about it last year a bit too much, but maybe you should get another one's perspective on this.

Now while I don't agree with everything he says about this (like how this is part of some major conspiracy), he does bring up some very interesting points. See for yourself:


http://www.youtube.com/wa...msBnUllgU0

http://www.youtube.com/wa...rCXDg3FCJc

http://www.youtube.com/wa...0yTnrWTHwg

In this new series of videos, my aim is to educate the younger generation of men out there that are living a life of True Forced Loneliness, being a virgin, and totally feeling rejected by the opposite sex.

The phenomenon is new, and over the past 20 years, women in our society have gained so much power over men, that they basically feel that they can discard them like the toys of a spoiled child.

This is an epidemic crisis in our society, and it is my belief that if this current trend continues, men of all ages will be reverting to suicide as a means of freeing themselves of this frustration. Some men may even go further by going on rampages and singling out "single women only" as victims.

Also, the huge increase in the pickup artist community, also known as the PUA Community, is the direct result of men needing a safety release valve for their frustrations. Twenty years ago, when I was in my late teens, nothing like this ever existed. Basically, it wasn't needed. Even average to not-so-average-looking men could find someone. With the narcissism of today's Generation X and Generation Y, this trend of Forced Loneliness of men will continue even further.

It is my belief that the Feminist Movement, along with the help of the CIA and other parasiticle social factors is directly responsible for this.

So far, I have gotten mostly positive responses to my "30 to 40-year-old virgin" series. However, there are many woman that know that what I'm talking about is the truth. And they are desperate to defame my character, reverting to the most ridiculous of accusations. They've even accused me of being a closet homosexual.

Men of all ages need to stand up and fight! We don't need anymore David DeAngelo, Ross Jeffries, and other PUA courses. We need to fight women and the Feminist Movement head on. The time is no to stand up and fight for your rights.



so the CIA and feminists are why men can't get laid? and it's going to lead to mass suicides?? there are some fucking nutjobs on youtube.

!!!!!

Ok, I'll give a serious answer.

Believe it or not, there are people in this world that are just simply socially awkward...and it seems to me that people like this will do everything to point the finger at everyone else as the source of the problem and will never look at themselves. The whole woe is me attitude is so lame and makes someone even more of a turn off, and the me against the world attitude is even worse.

And one other thing...this dude thinks that it's only men in this situation??? Hate to break it to you but there are many women that are in the same situation - it has nothing to do with being a male or female and everything to do with the kind of personality some people have.

JustErin said:

bingo. and if you actually watch the first vid, he shits all over and mocks women for having the gall to choose who they want to sleep with. insane.
[Edited 4/18/08 8:32am]

evenstar said:

I can't see the vid at work, so I was only going by what you posted. I can't wait to watch the vid later though!!

This is sad; there are too many women and I mean too many women in the world to be like this. seriously

It's sad that women have been experiencing the whole being used for sex then discarded, forever. Men (not all men) finally get a taste of this and they lose their damned mind.

These guys should just admit to themselves that they feel afraid and inadequate. Then they could take some Life Coaching sessions, like conversational skills, etiquette. Some psychotherapy on where their issues w/women originate could also be helpful.

Or they could join a very conservative church, which seems to promote a lot of this philosophy on gender. I'd say they'd meet some of their type of women this way...

evenstar said:

See, that's where I had to disagree with this guy. He's saying it has to do with all these external things like the CIA and shit instead of just blaming himself. But like I said, I agree with some of the things he says like women having more of an advantage at selecting men and how society has changed people's views about courtship.

NWF said:

the snotty, dismissive way he espouses that viewpoint though explains a lot. and it's complete bullshit anyway- i've liked plenty of guys to then find out they had no interest in me. no sex has an advantage. i really hope you don't agree with his negative view of feminism.

evenstar said:

Yeah I don't really know about his whole perspective on feminism and stuff, so I'm not gonna go there. I'm just taking the things he said that relate to my situation and put that into perspective.

It would've been nice of him to get a woman's perspective on this because you never know, maybe women to go through this as much as men. But he doesn't see it that way and just looks at this problem from a male point of view.

Forget the problem. I already know about the problem. I want solutions at this point, and I'm not sure if he's offering any. I hear what he's saying but I'm trying to see what he's gonna do about this problem.

Change your hair. Just do it. Visit a barber at least once a month.
Make sure you wear the right size of pants and shirts.
Go to the gym. Not to bulk - to feel better.
Pratice deep laughter. It's sexy.
Tell her compliments (twice a night is enought!)
Try keeping conversations light.
Talk about interesting events from your life.
Ask her about her. Everybody loves talking about themselves.
Try tp hide your fear. Pretend to be confident even if you're not.
BUT do *not* confuse confidence with cockiness.
Do *not* buy a sport car.
[Edited 4/18/08 16:18pm]

My "two cents" about those videos: I hope I won't be as bitter and negative as that guy in the video when I reach his age (late-30s). But then again, if I don't get a girlfriend/wife by that time I probably will become quite bitter as well.

rushing07 said:

NWF said:

The guy in the video actually has an uncanny likeness to:

rushing07 said:

Why don't you try telling him that. See I've done a lot of these things, and yet nothing has changed. Chicks always give me some lame excuse to slither their way out of the conversation or say that they're already taken. So please, sir, spare me this useless advice.

NWF said:

It isn't useless advice. It's actually good advice.

But you have to have a certains self confidence. Obviously none of us know what you're like in those conversations, but maybe you bring up weird topics of conversation? Maybe you make comments that sound clever or interesting to you, but they turn off these women? Maybe you seem too eager or desperate? Maybe you horn in on their conversations without being invited or without any sort of foot-in-the door entry line?

I don't know. None of us do. Have you tried going the online route? I know it sounds pathetic if you haven't tried it, but it can work. It's worked for a LOT of people on this site alone. Make a friend. Then make it deeper. Trade pics. Talk on the phone. Then meet. Or hell, just go to craigslist and find some chick near you that wants to get banged. I don't know what you're up for or what you're willing to do or even exactly what it is you're looking for. Friends? Sex? Love?

Just don't push it too hard. And I know that the longer it goes on, the harder it is to not feel desperate or want it so badly that you overreach too soon or too hard.

And when people give you advice, don't discard it. Really think about it and how it relates to you and the reasons why the advice is useless to you.

Raze said:

Well, I didn't mean to just write the guy's advice off. I'm just telling you that I've tried many of those things he's stated and still no results. OK, so maybe I've been a little strange and socially awkward in the past, but I've come a long way though. But time after time girls just wanna treat me like a friend or a fag. You have no idea how many times I've been mistaken for a homosexual (not that there's anything wrong with that. ).

I tried to be the nice guy and be kind to the ladies, but I keep getting shot down. I'm always open to changing my character flaws but I refuse to change my personality. So maybe you don't see your average person of color get into things like Prince and New Wave music and Nintendo and left-wing politics, but that's just how I am goddammit! And I don't really trust those dating sites and stuff cuz they probably don't work. I find it easier to just go out and meet people. That's the real test. There was something else that I wanted to say to this but since I forgot it, I'm gonna leave it at this.

NWF said:

I don't know about dating sites, per se, but I do know that relationships that begin online can lead to the real thing. And it's good that you want to go out and meet people instead of just letting it get you down and becoming a shut-in

Just remember, every pot has a lid. Including you. But in a way, you're lucky in that there a lot more avenues to find that person now than there were in the past. You might want to consider exploring them, if what you're doing now isn't working.

Raze said:

Well at this point I've stopped trying. Yes, I want love and sex (ESPECIALLY SEX) and romance, but I want some kind of stability too. I have this great talent in failing to sustain a long term relationship, which would just about define "true forced loneliness". And other folks can't seem to get to this.

OK, this is what I wanted to say, and I believe somewhere in those videos that Steve fella brought this up. Involuntary celibacy is a real problem among some folks. But other people who have pretty functional and successful love/sex lives can't understand it and some even laugh at it. But it's really no laughing matter. Some are like "NWF, how can be this good-looking guy who plays Rock and Roll and has a good head on his shoulders and still be lonely?" I really have no answer for that. They'd like to believe that even the most talented musicians can get it left and right, but it's not always like that. My own Mother couldn't even understand why I was single for a long time (14-22). I told her that my first priority was myself and that I wanted to work toward covering all my bases. But she said that my brother can easily get dates but the fact that I wasn't getting any made me "abnormal". I told her there's no one out there for me, but she disagreed and ordered me to find a girlfriend.

She and many others are examples of people that just don't get it.

I want to meet that girl, that says she brings her own condoms, he's talking about!

It is ALWAYS someone elses' fault.

Easier to blame everyone else than take responsibility of ourselves, this place is full of it on so many levels

mdiver said:

I'm sure there are internal factors as well as external ones. But what even if you're doing the right thing, what do you do if you get no results?

NWF said:

My personal experience had led me to believe that the problem is not 'what you do': the problem is 'what you are.' Either you can try to change what you are (not easy) or you make peace with what you are. At the very least, do not be like the guy in the clip and try to place the responsibility on anything but yourself. I may be, to paraphrase Lyle Lovett, a lonely, weak, pathetic man, but at least I'm self-aware enough to know that the problem is myself, not every woman in the world.

NWF said:

Look inside

NWF said:

The first video

Involuntary celicacy?? That's just = can't get lucky.


Oh come on! We subject women to feeling completely inadequate about themselves for almost the entire span of human civilization, and now that they're actually rising up and forcing us to prove ourselves worthy to them, we have a 'sociological problem' on our hands?
I mean, in a world where if a woman stays at home while her husband is out with the guys, we call that parenting, and when the guy stays home and the woman goes out and with her friends, we call that 'babysitting', how much sympathy can one really have for men?

Fuck men. How about actually working your ass off , whether that means hitting the gym, looking your sharpest, etc. etc., to win the girl that you're interested over?
I have absolutely no sympathy for men. none.



NOTE: I'm not saying there aren't lonely men out there. I've certain gone through a lot of my life lonely, and 80% of my friends throughout my life go through vast spans (months and months if not years) in a void of sex... but let's not blame women here--that's just stupid.

I just watched the videos and I loved them all.

I love that he can't get laid and I hope he never, ever gets laid.

I love how it's women have 150 options but men have zero. If men have zero, then who are these chicks sleeping with?

Also, all he does is bitch and bitch...what's his solution to this problem?

Imago said:

dead on

JustErin said:

wow, this is exactly what I thought when I looked at the clip. Couldn't have said it better. and as long as he points the finger without looking at himself (I'm not insinuating that you do this NWF) he's going to continue to be single.