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Reply #30 posted 04/13/08 5:54pm

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I'm sorry all this happened. rose
I don't have anything I can add to the advice everyone has given you but you have my prayers. hug
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Reply #31 posted 04/13/08 7:10pm

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This is horrible. Do you have pictures with the date on them (they're here and that's a good permanent record). Would there be any point in getting an attorney or does it have to be handled through the Military? I cannot imagine how difficult this is for both of you. I'm hoping your physical problems are under control ~ this surely can't help. My blood pressure would be through the roof. hug
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Reply #32 posted 04/13/08 7:37pm

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noimageatall said:

Right now I am so furious and sick and I need some serious advice and help. The phone call I got from my son at Ft. Hood last night when we talked for an hour? I thought everything was cool. NOT!!! Later on I received another call from my son, who initially was not going to tell me wtf was going on. He knew I'd recently been hospitalized with cancer and a blood clot, which I told no one about but Ivy, and my son did not want to upset me.

This was my son when he went into the Army @ 18...against my wishes, but he made the decision on his own.



And this is my son as of yesterday after being jumped on by 10 of his fellow soldiers.







He went across Ft Hood to his friends barracks. He said he was just going to visit his friend who joined the Army with him, and these guys were drinking and sitting around, and one of them said my son "looked" at him funny. Then threw a beer can at my son. My son, Gabriel, picked it up and threw it back, and all 10 of these idiots jumped at once. They were ALL WHITE!!! So, I'm wondering if it was racially motivated.

He says they also jumped someone else the same day. Is this some sort of fucking gang or something???? He says when the MP's came they all ran. Gabriel told me they are conducting an investigation. But I'm not waiting for that. This is bullshit. Of course I know my son, and there's probably more to the story, but even so, 10 guys jumping on one is fucked up.

He said they had to do a CAT scan, and he thinks his jaw is fractured because he can't eat. He's also having bad headaches. He doesn't even remember if he was unconscious.

WTF kind of army do we have where soldiers jump on each other??? I mean, I can see a fight every now and then, one on one, or even two on one, but 10 damned soldiers jumping on one of their own????? What the fuck happened to honor????

I need advice...I know renegade is in the military, and I'd like to know what the best course of action is. Who should I contact? His CO? All I know is I am calling that base tomorrow and someone better tell me something. I am raising so much fucking hell. I know my son is a man, but fuck this. He could have been killed. I'm sitting here thinking..."Oh, as long as they don't send him to Iraq, he'll be ok..." YEAH RIGHT....

He's not even safe on his own damned base???? I'm so glad he took pics, and I told him to take some more. I just need to know what I CAN do. Since he is 18, can I do anything???? I want to press charges on these cowardly fucking bastards. I mean, I'm thinking the Army might tell Gabriel NOT to say anything or try to get some action taken. So, what are my options? Can he get leave to come home???

OMG I AM SOOOOO ANGRY> mad mad mad
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April, I'm sorry I'm late to the convo...orgnote...
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Reply #33 posted 04/13/08 7:47pm

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I hope you can get this sorted out and see the perpetrators punished.

Youngsters should see stuff like this before deciding to sign up.
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Reply #34 posted 04/13/08 7:50pm

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Open statement....

Please, all I ask from y'all is not to lump us all into the circle with the idiots that did this to their brother in arms...but sadly, this is something that happens almost every weekend on every post throughout the Army....mix alcohol with some dumb-ass behavior or deep seeded issue and BAM!! If you look into it, Ft. Hood, TX has had numerous issues with gang related and racist behavior in the recent past....Ft. Bragg, NC had the famous cases at the beginning of the war....Ft. Campbell, KY had the case of the troop who was murdered (bludgeoned with a baseball bat) by a drunk buddy because he was gay...it pisses me off because for 15 years I have done my best...as have 99% of my mates....to be the embodiment of what a Soldier is supposed to be...and it gets undone by assholes like the ones I've mentioned above....and several others that can't seperate themselves from stupid behavior...

April, I am so sorry for your son...I hope that he recovers and does well...my suggestion at this point (on top of my longwinded orgnote) is that as soon as possible, push his command to get him transferred from Ft. Hood...
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Reply #35 posted 04/13/08 7:54pm

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foxyflawedhands said:

disbelief

I hope you can get this sorted out and see the perpetrators punished.

Youngsters should see stuff like this before deciding to sign up.


yeah....just focus on the negative stuff and conveniently gloss over the good that also happens....I understand the frustration...and I really hope that the idiots that did this get punished severely for it....but to paint the whole organization with that brush is wrong.....
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Reply #36 posted 04/13/08 8:04pm

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reneGade20 said:

Open statement....

Please, all I ask from y'all is not to lump us all into the circle with the idiots that did this to their brother in arms...but sadly, this is something that happens almost every weekend on every post throughout the Army....mix alcohol with some dumb-ass behavior or deep seeded issue and BAM!! If you look into it, Ft. Hood, TX has had numerous issues with gang related and racist behavior in the recent past....Ft. Bragg, NC had the famous cases at the beginning of the war....Ft. Campbell, KY had the case of the troop who was murdered (bludgeoned with a baseball bat) by a drunk buddy because he was gay...it pisses me off because for 15 years I have done my best...as have 99% of my mates....to be the embodiment of what a Soldier is supposed to be...and it gets undone by assholes like the ones I've mentioned above....and several others that can't seperate themselves from stupid behavior...

April, I am so sorry for your son...I hope that he recovers and does well...my suggestion at this point (on top of my longwinded orgnote) is that as soon as possible, push his command to get him transferred from Ft. Hood...


And thank you so much for the "long" orgnote. hug You don't know how much I appreciate the advice. There's nothing worse than feeling helpless and ignorant. I do remember the case in KY. They made a movie about that case. Sad. sad
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Reply #37 posted 04/13/08 8:11pm

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noimageatall said:



And thank you so much for the "long" orgnote. hug You don't know how much I appreciate the advice. There's nothing worse than feeling helpless and ignorant. I do remember the case in KY. They made a movie about that case. Sad. sad



Anytime!! Glad to help...hug

superman I think my cape is showing....giggle
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Reply #38 posted 04/13/08 8:16pm

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reneGade20 said:

noimageatall said:



And thank you so much for the "long" orgnote. hug You don't know how much I appreciate the advice. There's nothing worse than feeling helpless and ignorant. I do remember the case in KY. They made a movie about that case. Sad. sad



Anytime!! Glad to help...hug

superman I think my cape is showing....giggle



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Reply #39 posted 04/13/08 8:20pm

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MoonSongs said:

This is horrible. Do you have pictures with the date on them (they're here and that's a good permanent record). Would there be any point in getting an attorney or does it have to be handled through the Military? I cannot imagine how difficult this is for both of you. I'm hoping your physical problems are under control ~ this surely can't help. My blood pressure would be through the roof. hug


He took the pics with his webcam. He actually posted them on myspace. I will check to make sure they are dated.

Thank you for your concern. hug As for me, I'm good. The cancer is gone. Blood thinners are working. Doing yoga and eating organic. Never knew cancer can cause clots. Sucks a big ass ass. razz Never had high blood pressure till last night!!!! I think the top of my head is about to blow. pissed
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Reply #40 posted 04/13/08 9:07pm

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As being in the military myself, I would suggest your son contacting his First Sergeant or office supervisor or flight chief and go from there.

From there, I am sure they will involve security forces and Office of Special Investigations.

I am sure the answer will come out on what exactly happened.
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Reply #41 posted 04/13/08 9:17pm

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a2grafix said:

As being in the military myself, I would suggest your son contacting his First Sergeant or office supervisor or flight chief and go from there.

From there, I am sure they will involve security forces and Office of Special Investigations.

I am sure the answer will come out on what exactly happened.
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He's already done that. He's supposed to call me tomorrow with any new info. But, I'm calling first thing in the morning anyway.
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Reply #42 posted 04/13/08 9:22pm

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eek Im completely horrified that happened to ure son!! I hope he recovers quickly and someone takes care of the asshole that did that!!! hug
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Reply #43 posted 04/13/08 9:45pm

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reneGade20 said:

foxyflawedhands said:

disbelief

I hope you can get this sorted out and see the perpetrators punished.

Youngsters should see stuff like this before deciding to sign up.


yeah....just focus on the negative stuff and conveniently gloss over the good that also happens....I understand the frustration...and I really hope that the idiots that did this get punished severely for it....but to paint the whole organization with that brush is wrong.....


Which is precisely why I didn't do that. If the problems are as widespread as the unfortunate picture you paint in your earlier post it's certainly something prospective signees should be aware of though, no? And something that needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later, do you not agree? As you said, it undermines all the hard work of the majority of soldiers. It's hard not to focus on something negative when that is all this thread is about.

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Reply #44 posted 04/13/08 11:30pm

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April love, I am so sorry to hear about what's going on with your health and what happen to your son.... the cowards should pay for doing that to him... that is so wrong.

I hope all things get resolved quickly and I wish you good health, take good care and stay strong rose hug
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Reply #45 posted 04/14/08 2:59am

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reneGade20 said:

noimageatall said:



And thank you so much for the "long" orgnote. hug You don't know how much I appreciate the advice. There's nothing worse than feeling helpless and ignorant. I do remember the case in KY. They made a movie about that case. Sad. sad



Anytime!! Glad to help...hug

superman I think my cape is showing....giggle



hug for both you guys... threads like this demonstrate why the Org is truly a special place hug
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Reply #46 posted 04/14/08 6:06am

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First of all, I am sorry that this has happened to your son and I truely hope that those responsible will be put to justice for their misconduct/crimes. pray

That being said, I must say that you're jumping the gun a bit with this:

noimageatall said:

They were ALL WHITE!!! So, I'm wondering if it was racially motivated.


Reading this within the context gives me the feeling as if we, white people (I'll leave out the bold and caps...ok?), are all racist and all our actions are racially motivated..... and I take a bit offense in that. If it is the case that the misconduct against your son is racially motivated, then the crime would even be more serious! But, as I read from your post, it is only your assumption because the perpetrators are white.....and you should be very careful with that, as it would not help your son when it would turn out not to be racially motivated! In fact, ya'll could be blamed for pulling the race-card, igniting reverse discrimination.....
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Reply #47 posted 04/14/08 6:16am

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Reply #48 posted 04/14/08 10:34am

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abierman said:

First of all, I am sorry that this has happened to your son and I truely hope that those responsible will be put to justice for their misconduct/crimes. pray

That being said, I must say that you're jumping the gun a bit with this:

noimageatall said:

They were ALL WHITE!!! So, I'm wondering if it was racially motivated.


Reading this within the context gives me the feeling as if we, white people (I'll leave out the bold and caps...ok?), are all racist and all our actions are racially motivated..... and I take a bit offense in that. If it is the case that the misconduct against your son is racially motivated, then the crime would even be more serious! But, as I read from your post, it is only your assumption because the perpetrators are white.....and you should be very careful with that, as it would not help your son when it would turn out not to be racially motivated! In fact, ya'll could be blamed for pulling the race-card, igniting reverse discrimination.....


First of all. "I" am white as the driven snow. (Vampiric, if you will). So, I'm not pulling the race card. I just have to wonder why a bunch of white soldiers would jump on my son, who is bi-racial. I never ever said I think all white people are racist. But, I've been the brunt of a lot of racism, even fired from a job in the south when my boss saw my children, so it does exist everywhere. I know this only too well.

Other than that...good news. I was on the phone most of the morning, and spoke with my son's Sargeant Totten. As I was speaking to him my son was writing his statement, and they are indeed investigating. They have witness statements too. He assured me they are definitely going to make sure these guys pay for what they did. Also, when I did bring up the "question" of it being racial, he said they'd already taken that into consideration, and were also investigating what happened to the other person they jumped on earlier the same day, who was non-white also.

So, he is going to personally call me every other day to let me know what is going on. And believe me, if I don't hear from him, I will be calling. I also called Darnell Medical and they told me Gabe's jaw isn't fractured. The swelling is going down today.

I don't know much about the different companies or units within the Army, but my son and also the Sargeant told me that the guys who jumped my son were Infantry. And my son is a mechanic. Sargeant Totten told me the Infantry unit had just gotten back from Iraq, and that may have had something to do with it. I told him that is no effing excuse for what they did. He agreed.

Thank you all for the hugs and advice. Renegade...it wasn't as hard as I thought. I was ready for a battle. Hopefully the sargeant was not just pacifying me. Time will tell.
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Reply #49 posted 04/14/08 10:59am

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Well, on a positive note, faggots aren't allowed to serve neutral Imagine how horrible his life would be then. I mean gays who served honorably for 20 years have been kicked out of the military for nothing other than being found out or exposed or even being honest and yet because of the shortages the military faces, they are bringing in convicts into the system. disbelief

Good grief. This points out so much about everything this country is standing for. Republicans will be the first to scream about how Clinton dismantled the military and yet in 8 years they have done absolutely nothing to build it up. Nothing to give the troops the resources they need, both to fight a war and to recover when they come back home from that hellhole. I mean I am sure the racist attitudesds were very likely present but exascerbated by a culture that won't even acknowledge that men and women are coming back from Iraq as broken people.

Honey, make sure you pursue this to the end and don't let assurances or promises tide you over. Make sure, within reason according to your health, that these guys are punished for this crap. And transfering him to another base is a good idea but it shouldn't end there. The culture of the military needs to change
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Reply #50 posted 04/14/08 11:30am

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I am here at Fort Hood

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Reply #51 posted 04/14/08 11:32am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Well, on a positive note, faggots aren't allowed to serve neutral Imagine how horrible his life would be then. I mean gays who served honorably for 20 years have been kicked out of the military for nothing other than being found out or exposed or even being honest and yet because of the shortages the military faces, they are bringing in convicts into the system. disbelief

Good grief. This points out so much about everything this country is standing for. Republicans will be the first to scream about how Clinton dismantled the military and yet in 8 years they have done absolutely nothing to build it up. Nothing to give the troops the resources they need, both to fight a war and to recover when they come back home from that hellhole. I mean I am sure the racist attitudesds were very likely present but exascerbated by a culture that won't even acknowledge that men and women are coming back from Iraq as broken people.

Honey, make sure you pursue this to the end and don't let assurances or promises tide you over. Make sure, within reason according to your health, that these guys are punished for this crap. And transfering him to another base is a good idea but it shouldn't end there. The culture of the military needs to change


Supa... hug It is crazy, isn't it? Did you ever see "Soldier's Girl?" It's based on the RL murder renegade spoke about in his post. I saw it a couple of years ago, and I cried like a baby. It's so unfair, hateful, illogical and criminal.

And you can be sure I will not let "promises" tide me over. I will pursue this all the way. I do feel much better than I did last night. I was fuming. Couldn't sleep. I won't rest until this is done with.


ps..I like it when you call me honey.... wink
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Reply #52 posted 04/14/08 11:36am

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glad you got some good news April! hug
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Reply #53 posted 04/14/08 12:22pm

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I'm so sorry to hear of what's happened with your son April. I was in the Marines for 8 years and I know about stuff like this. It sounds like he's doing the right things so far but make sure that you both make sure that the Commanding Officer and First Sergeant or whover is in command stay on top of this situation cause those animals MUST be punished. I don't remember if you said anything about this & forgive me if you did but did your son know who did this to him? It's definately going to help in catching the guys if they haven't been caught already. :pray rose
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Reply #54 posted 04/14/08 12:39pm

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Man... this is some fucked up shit right here... disbelief
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Reply #55 posted 04/14/08 1:10pm

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butterfli25 said:

I am here at Fort Hood

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You are beyond awesome!!!!!

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Reply #56 posted 04/14/08 1:48pm

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noimageatall said:

butterfli25 said:

I am here at Fort Hood

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You are beyond awesome!!!!!

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woot!

rose

I don't know what happened, but if butterfly is involved it is super!!
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Reply #57 posted 04/14/08 2:09pm

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Damn ...


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Reply #58 posted 04/14/08 2:10pm

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Nothinbutjoy said:

noimageatall said:



You are beyond awesome!!!!!

worship worship worship worship worship worship



woot!

rose

I don't know what happened, but if butterfly is involved it is super!!


And THAT is an understatement!!! Although I will say I've been on the phone again and spoken to someone very rude who gave me a different story and told me not to call back and leave it in the Armys hands. I did speak to two other 1st Sgts who were very nice. I don't know what is going to happen now, and I'm waiting for another call. But, I know my son was drinking too. I figured that. I asked him if he was he going to get in trouble for drinking, which I don't like him doing, and he said he may have to sign up for some program on base.

I will say I think it's weird that you can be old enough to shoot and kill someone legally, but not old enough to have a beer. confused

I know I'm exhausted. And butterfly is amazing. heart
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Reply #59 posted 04/14/08 4:09pm

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All I'm going to say is that I absolutely, positively, with all my heart LOVE THIS BOARD and the awesome people on it! grouphug grouphug grouphug grouphug hug hug hug

I just got off the phone with butterfly, who is the most amazing person. She was just hugging my son and talking to me at the same time. I can't believe it. She says he looks much better, and he was smiling. The funny thing was, when I got on the phone with him, the first thing he said to me was, "I hate that prince board!" Then he started laughing and asked me did I know someone from this board in every freakin state?? lol lol Never underestimate the power of the Internet! pc

The investigation is ongoing, but I feel like a weight is lifted off my shoulders. I don't even know how I can ever repay her for what she's done. heart

They are making him go into an alcohol program for the underage drinking, and he's just in trouble with his Sgt and company, but the other guys are in serious trouble with the MP's and "law."
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