Bush won the counties in RED:

OCEANA said:

Yeah they are usually crooks and gangsta's.Check the great depression sweetie.

4LOVE said:

... Is this all you can add to this topic? And if not...what is your take on it ...Oceana has nothing to do with thee economy . ...AzureStar I do not play that way ...I have respect as I expect it in return plus AzureStar is to much of a confident woman who seems to not sit around worring about what woman will take her man...and IceNine is NOT a stupid man...he knows what he has and he IMHO does not seem the type to want to hurt the one he loves ...

OCEANA said:

It's called a JOKE,i'm sure azure star has nothing to worry about I just think you are following and kissing icenine's ass a little too much.Look back at your post and you will see what i am talking about

4LOVE said:

So whats the big darn deal...hey if one works hard, pays taxes...why would they not take advantage of it...what? let ur money sit around doing NOTHING! Hey just because JOE BLOW has no money and Jane Doe does, does this make them SO bad...I mean they had NOTHING to do with the economy...Some people work hard for what they have, some people (believe it or not) make an extra buck say for their childrens college, or for security for their family...Why does this make them "crooks" or "gangsta's?

OCEANA said:

???Capone baby...CAPONE

4LOVE said:

Al Capone was much more a product of prohibition.

IceNine said:

Not the "Al Capone" i was using him for a gangster reference.She thinks i'm talking about honest people working hard making money.I was talking about crooks ripping people off.
[This message was edited Tue Oct 29 18:53:07 PST 2002 by 4LOVE]

4LOVE said:

Birds of a feather Flock together...! Maybe he is one of the FEW around here with a brain and actually use it...And if I was kissing anybody's ass why worry about it? Damn boy get a grip! Joke...yeah...the old,,," I WAS ONLY JOKING...

4LOVE said:

Ahhh... gotcha!

OCEANA said:

[Snip. Flame removed. Ian]

4LOVE said:

[Snip. Flame removed. Ian]

IceNine said:

American elections are a farce. Just half of the eligible voters bother casting a ballot. The electoral campaigns themselves are mere marketing campaigns long on money, short on real ideas and debates. The presidential debates are like reality shows -- the thrill is not in the political program, but in how well the candidates fare on television. They have all the depth of a poodle.

Despite the biggest campaign money could buy, Bush did not win the popular vote. In real terms, he has maybe a quarter of all eligible American voters. Some democracy... It isn't surprising that folks like Walter Cronkite are actually using the word "oligarchy". Worse, Americans themselves don't seem to care much. With big money continuing to dominiate politics, the hopes that a third party will truly emerge are slim. Campaign finances have put an headlock on your already choiceless democracy, and the current state of your media is not conductive to new political voices being heard. They love the dems vs reps game -- it's a neat, consistent rivalry, a us versus them that only gets slightly interesting during the primaries, because more undercurrnts are being felt. Past the nominations, it's just one big media blitz that is handled pretty much like a sport rivalry -- some of these commentators might as well be covering the NFL, as excited as they get as the rivals approach the big day.

Canadian politics are a pretty sorry sight too, but at least over 70 % of eligible voters go to the booths, and the five parties (some of which have less than 15 % of the vote) have a place in tv debates.

Aerogram said:

You have stated the truth... American voter turnout makes me fucking sick and I fucking HATE the political ad campaigns that focus on slander rather than real issues.

The Democrats and the Republicans are the same party and they get their funding from the same corporations.

IceNine said:

I know what you were talking about...I was talking the average american..I dont talk "gangters" and "crooks". I was talking HONEST and Hard working people...Obviously our minds are going two totally different directions... Sorry!

OCEANA said:

Your racial remarks don't bother me one bit.I'm proud as hell to be a BLACK man.You should be proud to be the grimmace from mcdonald's.Put that hamberger down and hit a treadmill you look a little "round" in the face

OCEANA said:

Yeah mine on the people of the world and yours on your stomach,put the hamburger down and back away slowly

4LOVE said:

...Oh another racial thread about to arise...Now, tell me how the hell was I to know you were black? I am not a miss cleo here...My remark about the monkeys was as in how monkeys sit in a tree just doing NOTHING...! You have never seen me...AND I DO NOT EAT McDonalds! Never have, never will! Plus I can assure you my face is cuter than yours

ignorance is defined in sooo many ways.

OCEANA said:

You have been in chat with me and bad so don't play dumb(maybe you aren't playing.And i'll bet the ranch your face ain't cuter than mine or any other living thing(i've seen your old profile pic Take that sanddollar and shove it up ya...

IceNine said:

Yeah...the republicans are great at blaming democratic predecessors. Unless you're George H. Bush and you have no democrat to blame, and even if you did want to blame him he (Reagan) had a recession of his own during 2 terms.
[This message was edited Tue Oct 29 20:45:46 PST 2002 by Bladerunner]

It is not the Democrates nor the Republicans who control the economy -- its the people. When the people have some semblence of trust in their leader, they tend to spend more on non essential items/products. When our leaders appear to be more concerned with special interest groups, and screwing around with our futures (ie privatizing SS) people tend to be stingy with their hard earned money. Especially when the leader is obviously more concerned with the upper crust rich than with us normal people. Ronald (trickle down my ass)Reagan, George H, nor George W were/are not concerned about the working class. They're only concern was/is to keep their rich cronies happy. People can be very astute when it comes to cash. Right now our future is uncertain. The threat of war, the fear of terrorism and a two-tier economic status quo is what's keeping the economy from moving forward. Especially, this particular war. And no matter how many times Mr. Greenspan tries to intervene by controlling the flow of money -- normal hard working people are not going to spend money in these uncertain times. No Trust -- No Spending. Period.

I think Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) said it best when she recently said "All I know is,eighteen months ago we had a surplus and now we don't".

If there were no term limits on the presidential office, I'm more than sure Bill Clinton would have been the next FDR and had at least 4 terms! Even with his sex scandals, he remained one of the most popular presidents in history...

"Gore More Years!"

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[This message was edited Wed Oct 30 3:41:30 PST 2002 by DavidEye]

DavidEye said:

damn...why can i sooo visualize her saying this in her manly suit and a smirk on her face?

DavidEye said:

True enough, that's all she knows.

teller said:

Damned right!

:LOL:

4LOVE said:

Damn boy that's the way 2 do it, rip her up!