Muse2NOPharaoh said:

I think we're ALL lucky

No one, and I mean no one could ever say that I didn't take time to train my weim.

Or, well...they can say it...but it just makes them look like an idiot. But hey, that's cool.

Anyway, to the original poster. Enjoy your puppy - no matter what breed she may actually be. Take good care of her and give her lots of loving.

Teacher said:

did I say I don't care about animals ?? ... all the rules and regulations they're
coming up with is cuz stupid-ass breeders and X-breeders are messing up the
dogs FOR PROFIT. Who asked for a $5000 golden retriever puppy or a $10000 royal chihawatatawazimiki-whatever ??? It's those people that fucked
up the dogs, not the people that genuinely want to bring a dog in their house,
live with it and love it to death. If they wanna or have to use a crate
for that, let them.

My granny has had dogs all her life, none of them pure-breds. They all lived
15 years+ cuz she took fucking good care of them and not because they had a
certificate or something

Only the dog-whisperer or the occassional lucky person can bring a new pet into the house where a pet already lives without using a crate. It's normal.


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She does need to be left alone to be trained, but she will be pretty traumatised by being on her own so give her something to cuddle, a teddy or something, and if possible put a ticking clock in the bed, to be like her mothers heartbeat.

How would you like to be a baby and left on your own in a strange house?! You need to make it as easy a transition for her as possible

PS Shes gorgeous!!!

"Anita, dahhhlin..."








PS OMG she's so cute!
Just like my Patti when she was lil brat.
And yes, I advise you to train her.
She will cry a bit at first but
don't give in.

Or you'll end up like my mom:
she now has to share her pillow with Patti every night.

Congrats on the new puppy! Dorothy is so cute.

brocklynn said:

she's so cute

brocklynn said:

I WANT A NEW PUPPY!!!
Puppies typically bark and whine the first couple nights no matter where you put them.
And there is absolutely nothing wrong with crate training.
Save you and the puppy hard times.
Saves you from them chewing up the carpet, the leg of a piece of furniture, the baseboards & wood work in your house, some books and magazines.
I used to let my westie have the run of the house when I was gone and he did exactly that. Up in all the windows barking at every movement outside, up on all the side tables and coffee table.
One time he ate all the chocolate kisses from a candy bowl I had on the coffee table leaving each foil wrap neatly intact on the floor.
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Umm, Teacher - why so hostile? Just askin'...


I'm over here squealing out loud - SO CUTE!!! Reminds me of the puppy we just got for my mom I'm no expert & my family is learning as we go BUT I say use your crate/cage/whatever w/ pride w/ dogs that small (& untrained) you can't let them wander all around your house @ night. They could get stuck somewhere, chew on electrical cords, anything. & you don't wanna step on them in the dark on your way to the bathroom The dog we got my mom was 2lbs & 2 weeks old when we got her, you could pretty much cup her one hand You NEED a cage for animals that small Now we only use the cage @ night for sleeping b/c she's still being trained. But the better she gets @ going outside or on her training pad, the more freedom she gets to run through the house - who wants to clean up puppy shit all day every day??

I agree about keeping them near you @ night, @ my mom's we have her cage in a place that she can see my mom when she's sleeping. Another thing we try to do (in addition to not letting her nap the day away) is play w/ her a lot/let her outside prior to bedtime & them we wind her down so she doesn't fuss when it's bedtime time. AND her bedtime is within the same hour every night so she has a routine, which your puppy will learn soon enough. Also, get that last poop/pee out well before bedtime, which means feeding her for the last time about 90 minutes before bedtime or so (however long it takes her to go, play & wind down). Good luck w/ your new pup!



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the problem is you got a dog sooooo totally adorable and cute. You'll want to give in, no matter what.

Cute doggie.

Wow, I want another dog now. Thanks.


Keep up the crating. Best way to get her acclimated to the rules, pack order, etc.

CalhounSq said:

exactly

ThreadBare said:

I think you should change your sig to "whatever Calhoun says..."

CalhounSq said:

brocklynn said:

the pic is toooo cute! i have four dogs and have had a number of puppie babies

as said earlier consistency (the same as with children lol) is the key. do not give in. period. in a few nights to a week the behavior will cease. it's basic behavioral tactics all the way!

enjoy your new love

~Ginnie

All of my dogs are crate trained. Most of the dogs I have had in the past have been crate trained. It's like their little safe home away from home.

I tell ya what..since I've learned about crate training, I don't have to worry about any of my dogs tearing up the furniture or getting into any trouble while I'm gone.

Yes.. it's true that leaving them in there indefinitely is inhumane. But when I'm not at home(and when I lived in an apartment) it's the only way I could have a dog.

The ONLY thing is that I would definitely either hire or find someone to come let them out during the day if at all possible.

I have a puppy now (well I have three dogs and one is a puppy).. Anyway, because he is so little, if I'm not able to watch him even while I'm at home, I'll put him in his crate for short periods of time. He doesn't seem to mind. In fact, none of my dogs seem to mind. They just curl up and go to sleep. I attach a water bowl to the crate, then have fluffy towel in their for them to curl up in. None of my dogs have had any problem with crate training,but then again I also take them out for walks.. or take them to events.. They have travel with me before, too, soooo It's not like I just leave em in there.

I think crate training is a good idea. In fact, a lot of dog trainers believe crate training is a good idea. But yeah... just leaving them in there day-in/day-out.. what's the point of even having a pet?

brocklynn said:

OMG, she is soooo cute! That face!

crate training is a good thing. and teacher just because someones crate training their dog doesn't mean they plan on leaving them there their entire lives. dogs usually dont like using the restroom in their sleeping area's which is why people crate train, teaches them to hold it until they're taken out.

emilia1 said:

veronikka said:

Hundreds of thousands of dog owners (at the very least) have to be wrong then, making your dog hold it in between the times they are taken out is impossible. We're all lying to ourselves, it just doesn't work. We ignore the puddles of piss and piles of doo-doo that accumulate over the years and continue to kid ourselves. *irony*

Why I'm hostile? Cos people get a puppy and think that sticking them in a crate is ok, that they'll grow up and magically learn not to chew on things or pee inside, or dig up the carpet, without any training at a certain age. Cos people get a puppy and think it's ok to have a litter box, instead of house training the dog. A litter box teaches the dog it's ok to go inside, housebreaking teaches it that it's not.
Puppies need hours and hours and hours of training, physical as well as mental activity - exercise,games and rules, problems to solve. If you exercise your dog both ways and give it time to do its business and calm down before you leave home it'll be a lot easier for it to go to sleep and rest while you're gone, but that'll NEVER happen unless you train it little by little. It'll lie in its crate and cry.

L4O4E, I could talk to you at length about dog training and your reading things into my posts that aren't there but it would be water off a duck's back anyway. I'll just say this: Anybody who's met me and either of my dogs (Ollie before '02, Uzie after) will tell you what an amazing relationship I have with my dogs, how happy and obedient they are. They'll tell you they've never seen anything like it before. That and I've been a professional dog trainer makes me toot my own horn in this, with confidence.

can it fight?

Teacher said:

While we can truly appreciate your experience in the professional realm of pet rearing, do you think you could tone it down a bit for those of us who would actually like to learn from what you can teach us vs. sounding so agressive and hostile in your posts?Tthe tone of your posts is making it somewhat hard for some of us accept alot of what you can clearly offer to us....It seems the thread began simply and well intentioned from someone who was seeking honest advice...and in your advocacy you came in here like gangbusters shooting everyone down whose opinion differed from yours, instead of contributing to something you clearly see as a problem with raising animals in a positive and CONSTRUCTIVE fashion...If you have more tips I'm sure there are many of us here who are interested in raising new pets that would love to hear them... however, sans hostile condescension, please....

^

I LOVE HELPING PUPPIES!

Uhhh well... I'll talk about my experience. My dogs don't soil their crates--even if for some reason I get home late. When they're free in the house, my dogs don't tear-up the furniture.. or have accidents. They've learned--even the puppy to take care of business outside. It's more getting them past that puppy stage, and then of course training them when they aren't confined. However, confining them while I've been away at work insures they don't have accidents or get into something they shouldn't--even like electric cords or something like that.

It's possible to leave a dog all day in a crate, but I PREFER paying someone to come in to let them out at least one during the day. But.. it is possible to leave them during a workday without a break. I had to when I couldn't afford to have someone come in.. None of my dogs except this current puppy has ever soiled the crate,and now my puppy doesn't soil it either. I think he's just doesn't have to go to restroom as frequently. There really shouldn't be any problems, and if there is the crate might be too big, or the dog might have an infection or another urinary problem.

Now.. don't get me wrong.. when I'm home, I take my dogs for walks.. we take them as many places as we can, and they have the run of the house except I might confine the puppy if I can't watch him for some reason. They are very well trained if I do say so myself because years ago, I took my first dog, a Yorkie to a training class. I now train my other animals the same way--with lots of treats and positive reinforcement. That's just it..when dogs tear up stuff or have accidents, we might become frustrated and scold them, but they don't really understand what they did wrong. With the crate, an owner just cuts-down on mishaps that might occur while he/she is away. It's just hard to "teach" a dog after the fact, ya know?

Anyway, I know to some crate training sounds cruel, and I was a little skeptical myself at first. But really all of my dogs adapted to it very well.
And they seem to be very happy. They are spoiled rotten!



"Doc"



Doc and Missy..


Doc and Monk
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JustErin said:

I can't and won't endure this!

The dog will stop all the crying and start to like his crate/cage. I've literally had dogs my whole life, and this really is the best thing to do. You don't want your dog to mess up the house at night or when you're gone.

My husband just got another beagle puppy this weekend (he hunts), and I just put it to bed in its cage in the garage. He hollered for about 20 minutes last night and 10 tonight. Oh well. When he's big enough, he will live in the outside kennel with the other beagle.

Our Lab (also a hunting dog), lives in the house, but sleeps in a his cage in the garage as well and loves it. All I have to do about 8 or 9 o'clock every night, is say, "let's go to bed, Duke," and he runs to the garage door, and straight to his cage.

my dog was crate trained as a puppy. in fact he's a very
well trained dog. all you need is to be patient and constant.

my dog Cassidy:

dustysgirl said:

Wow, I hate dogs, but that sounds completely fucked to me.

I mean the average dog crate isn't even big enough for a hamster to spend more than a car ride in comfortably.

Dance said:

I have 2 great dane crates that are twice the size of most toddlers play pens

Anyway

I have raised, bred and showed dogs for 30 some odd yrs now. I have also raised guide dog puppies for the Leader Dogs for the blind and search and rescue pups

I always crate trian along with all the other training

My dogs have always been well behaved, balanced and happy - sucessfull

Best wishes for you and your new puppy