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Attack of the 3rd graders!! Freakin' 3rd graders??? WTF? They had this all planned out! You couldn't pay me enough money to be a teacher these days. 
http://www.nydailynews.co..._atta.html Ga. police say 3rd-graders plotted to attack teacher, brought knife, handcuffs
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Tuesday, April 1st 2008, 3:46 PM WAYCROSS, Ga. - A group of third-graders plotted to attack their teacher, bringing a broken steak knife, handcuffs, duct tape and other items for the job and assigning children tasks including covering the windows and cleaning up afterward, police said Tuesday. The plot by as many as nine boys and girls at Center Elementary School in south Georgia was a serious threat, Waycross Police Chief Tony Tanner said. "We did not hear anybody say they intended to kill her, but could they have accidentally killed her? Absolutely," Tanner said. "We feel like if they weren't interrupted, there would have been an attempt. Would they have been successful? We don't know." The children, ages 8 and 9, were apparently mad at the teacher because she had scolded one of them for standing on a chair, Tanner said. A prosecutor said they are too young to be charged with a crime under Georgia law. School officials alerted police Friday after a pupil tipped off a teacher that a girl had brought a weapon to school, Tanner said. Police seized a broken steak knife, handcuffs, duct tape, electrical and transparent tape, ribbons and a crystal paperweight from the students, who apparently intended to use them against the teacher, Tanner said. 
Nine children have been given discipline up to and including long-term suspension, said Theresa Martin, spokeswoman for the Ware County school system. She would not be more specific but said none of the children had been back to school since the case came to light. The purported target is a veteran educator who teaches third-grade students with learning disabilities including attention deficit disorder, delayed development and hyperactivity, friends and parents said. The scheme involved a division of roles, Tanner said. One child's job was to cover windows so no one could see outside, he said. Another was supposed to clean up after the attack. CLEAN UP WHAT??
"We're not sure at this point in the investigation how many of the students actually knew the intent was to hurt the teacher," Tanner said. The parents of the students have cooperated with investigators, who aren't allowed to question the children without their parents' or guardians' consent, he said. Authorities have withheld the children's names. Police expected to forward the results of their investigation to prosecutors, Tanner said. Children in Georgia can't be charged with a crime unless they are at least 13, District Attorney Rick Currie said. Martin told The Florida Times-Union of Jacksonville, Fla., that administrators would follow school system policy and state law in disciplining the students. "From what I understand, they were considered pretty good kids," Martin said. "But we have to take this seriously, whether they were serious or not about carrying this through, and that's what we did." Four mothers of other third-grade students at Center Elementary called for the immediate expulsion of the suspected plotters. Stacy Carter and Deana Hiott both cited school system policy stating that any student who brings "anything reasonably considered to be a weapon" is to be expelled for at least the remainder of the school year. "We don't want our children around them," Carter told the Times-Union. "The one with the knife could have stabbed my child or someone else's child at lunch or out on the playground." "This is an isolated incident, an aberration. ... We have good kids," Center Principal Angie Coleman told the newspaper. "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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DanceWme said:    "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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| man thats scary.
oh i used to sleep with a chucky doll as a child. he doesn't scare me lol | |
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This world is coming to a STRAIGHT end.   Yet ANOTHER reason to remain child free. Scary. . . | |
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I wonder if the teacher was a really mean teacher and they felt that they had been tormented enough and in their little 9 year old minds they felt this is what they had to do. I highly doubt this is just about some student getting in trouble for standing on a chair.
I'm not excusing their intended behaviour or saying that the teacher was being horrible is the case...just saying that I think there is a lot more to this story. It's weird, just yesterday I was talking to a co-worker about teachers who hate kids yet teach. We were reminiscing about certain teachers we had that were just horrible to us. | |
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JustErin said: I wonder if the teacher was a really mean teacher and they felt that they had been tormented enough and in their little 9 year old minds they felt this is what they had to do. I highly doubt this is just about some student getting in trouble for standing on a chair.
I'm not excusing their intended behaviour or saying that the teacher was being horrible is the case...just saying that I think there is a lot more to this story. It's weird, just yesterday I was talking to a co-worker about teachers who hate kids yet teach. We were reminiscing about certain teachers we had that were just horrible to us. On the news, they said the teacher had "scolded one of them". From my experience, kids don't think U have a right to say anything to them. Right before I went on leave, I asked a boy in a class I was covering to sit down because he was walking around putting lotion on his arms. He flipped out on me, yelling and cursing, telling me to "mind my business" and that I "had no right to address him in his classroom". He even told me if I was "having a bad day, to take it elsewhere".
After he finished, I told him again to sit down and then I wrote him up. No argument involved. When I told the regular teacher, he told me he was trying to put on a show. "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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chocolate1 said: JustErin said: I wonder if the teacher was a really mean teacher and they felt that they had been tormented enough and in their little 9 year old minds they felt this is what they had to do. I highly doubt this is just about some student getting in trouble for standing on a chair.
I'm not excusing their intended behaviour or saying that the teacher was being horrible is the case...just saying that I think there is a lot more to this story. It's weird, just yesterday I was talking to a co-worker about teachers who hate kids yet teach. We were reminiscing about certain teachers we had that were just horrible to us. On the news, they said the teacher had "scolded one of them". From my experience, kids don't think U have a right to say anything to them. Right before I went on leave, I asked a boy in a class I was covering to sit down because he was walking around putting lotion on his arms. He flipped out on me, yelling and cursing, telling me to "mind my business" and that I "had no right to address him in his classroom". He even told me if I was "having a bad day, to take it elsewhere".
After he finished, I told him again to sit down and then I wrote him up. No argument involved. When I told the regular teacher, he told me he was trying to put on a show. Sorry, but that's just an initial report. Who said it was just a case of being scolded? The teacher? Other kids? All I am saying is that in many of these cases a whole hell of a lot more is going on then what is initially reported. I also don't buy the whole all kids are rotten because from my experience I've dealt with more great kids than bad ones. Again, I am not saying I know how it all went down. I just don't think people should assume they do until all sides are looked at closely. | |
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JustErin said: chocolate1 said: On the news, they said the teacher had "scolded one of them". From my experience, kids don't think U have a right to say anything to them. Right before I went on leave, I asked a boy in a class I was covering to sit down because he was walking around putting lotion on his arms. He flipped out on me, yelling and cursing, telling me to "mind my business" and that I "had no right to address him in his classroom". He even told me if I was "having a bad day, to take it elsewhere".
After he finished, I told him again to sit down and then I wrote him up. No argument involved. When I told the regular teacher, he told me he was trying to put on a show. Sorry, but that's just an initial report. Who said it was just a case of being scolded? The teacher? Other kids? All I am saying is that in many of these cases a whole hell of a lot more is going on then what is initially reported. I also don't buy the whole all kids are rotten because from my experience I've dealt with more great kids than bad ones. Again, I am not saying I know how it all went down. I just don't think people should assume they do until all sides are looked at closely. I get ya. I wasn't actually arguing with U. I just get defensive when people assume the teachers are wrong. I've been teaching for 19 years. Of course I've met many more GREAT kids. I love my job- don't ever think I don't. But trust me- I have a couple of coworkers that I'd love to ask why they're still teaching.  "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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chocolate1 said: I get ya. I wasn't actually arguing with U. I just get defensive when people assume the teachers are wrong.
I've been teaching for 19 years. Of course I've met many more GREAT kids. I love my job- don't ever think I don't. But trust me- I have a couple of coworkers that I'd love to ask why they're still teaching. After teaching for so long, would you say that kids, say in the last 10 years, are considerably more unstable or prone to violence than before??? Regardless, of what perceived wrong the teacher may or may not have done to the student the fact that 9 children would go through such organized planning to intentionally inflict harm on a teacher is absolutely ridiculous and frightening. I mean, what kind of world do we live in that this is even a plausible solution to 8 and 9 year-olds. | |
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JustErin said: Sorry, but that's just an initial report. Who said it was just a case of being scolded? The teacher? Other kids?
All I am saying is that in many of these cases a whole hell of a lot more is going on then what is initially reported. I also don't buy the whole all kids are rotten because from my experience I've dealt with more great kids than bad ones. Again, I am not saying I know how it all went down. I just don't think people should assume they do until all sides are looked at closely. I have no idea about this particular story, but yeah. So many reporters rush to get a story posted so they can have that "shocking" headline that might get a Drudge link. Many stories, once they are fully investigated and thoroughly explained, are so much more mundane, and what would the fun be in that? It drives me crazy about the news media that they have this insane need to sensationalize. | |
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SCNDLS said: chocolate1 said: I get ya. I wasn't actually arguing with U. I just get defensive when people assume the teachers are wrong.
I've been teaching for 19 years. Of course I've met many more GREAT kids. I love my job- don't ever think I don't. But trust me- I have a couple of coworkers that I'd love to ask why they're still teaching. After teaching for so long, would you say that kids, say in the last 10 years, are considerably more unstable or prone to violence than before??? Regardless, of what perceived wrong the teacher may or may not have done to the student the fact that 9 children would go through such organized planning to intentionally inflict harm on a teacher is absolutely ridiculous and frightening. I mean, what kind of world do we live in that this is even a plausible solution to 8 and 9 year-olds. It seems like they're quicker to use hands/fighting to solve problems. "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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Well how's the no spanking thing working out for people now?
Kids don't respect their parents or any adults apparently. All my mom would have to do is give me the look to know an ass beating was coming if I didn't straighten up. Teachers as well could take a kid into the hallway with a paddle and while I didn't like it when it happened to me, it seems necessary just to get the respect from the authority figures. I've heard all of the arguments about teaching the kids violence and blah, blah, blah but all they need to do is turn on the television to get exposed to that. This is about having respect for the adult and these kids all need their little asses beat. | |
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Slave2daGroove said: Well how's the no spanking thing working out for people now?
Kids don't respect their parents or any adults apparently. All my mom would have to do is give me the look to know an ass beating was coming if I didn't straighten up. Teachers as well could take a kid into the hallway with a paddle and while I didn't like it when it happened to me, it seems necessary just to get the respect from the authority figures. I've heard all of the arguments about teaching the kids violence and blah, blah, blah but all they need to do is turn on the television to get exposed to that. This is about having respect for the adult and these kids all need their little asses beat. You assume that these are kids that do not get spanked for bad behaviour? Maybe not at school, but at home? You just assume that? | |
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Slave2daGroove said: Well how's the no spanking thing working out for people now?
Kids don't respect their parents or any adults apparently. All my mom would have to do is give me the look to know an ass beating was coming if I didn't straighten up. Teachers as well could take a kid into the hallway with a paddle and while I didn't like it when it happened to me, it seems necessary just to get the respect from the authority figures. I've heard all of the arguments about teaching the kids violence and blah, blah, blah but all they need to do is turn on the television to get exposed to that. This is about having respect for the adult and these kids all need their little asses beat.   There's a big difference between discipline and abuse. And fear of being popped in da mouf can go a long way. | |
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JustErin said: Slave2daGroove said: Well how's the no spanking thing working out for people now?
Kids don't respect their parents or any adults apparently. All my mom would have to do is give me the look to know an ass beating was coming if I didn't straighten up. Teachers as well could take a kid into the hallway with a paddle and while I didn't like it when it happened to me, it seems necessary just to get the respect from the authority figures. I've heard all of the arguments about teaching the kids violence and blah, blah, blah but all they need to do is turn on the television to get exposed to that. This is about having respect for the adult and these kids all need their little asses beat. You assume that these are kids that do not get spanked for bad behaviour? Maybe not at school, but at home? You just assume that? Yes I did. I see it with the parents of people that I work with. I hear it from everybody on a regular basis in social situations. Spanking isn't right and blah, blah, blah. It seems to be the new thing in raising children and I think this is a direct result of it. Now, I'm not talking about child abuse but being spanked as a result of bad behavior. The fear of getting spanked in THIRD GRADE was enough to stop me from ever even talking back to my teacher. These kids had no fear or respect, how else do you explain it? I mean, we're talking about children here. Parents are directly responsible for their actions because they only know what they've been taught. These kids have not been taught to respect adults and their parents are responsible. | |
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SCNDLS said: Slave2daGroove said: Well how's the no spanking thing working out for people now?
Kids don't respect their parents or any adults apparently. All my mom would have to do is give me the look to know an ass beating was coming if I didn't straighten up. Teachers as well could take a kid into the hallway with a paddle and while I didn't like it when it happened to me, it seems necessary just to get the respect from the authority figures. I've heard all of the arguments about teaching the kids violence and blah, blah, blah but all they need to do is turn on the television to get exposed to that. This is about having respect for the adult and these kids all need their little asses beat. There's a big difference between discipline and abuse. And fear of being popped in da mouf can go a long way.This is all I'm saying. | |
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SCNDLS said: Slave2daGroove said: Well how's the no spanking thing working out for people now?
Kids don't respect their parents or any adults apparently. All my mom would have to do is give me the look to know an ass beating was coming if I didn't straighten up. Teachers as well could take a kid into the hallway with a paddle and while I didn't like it when it happened to me, it seems necessary just to get the respect from the authority figures. I've heard all of the arguments about teaching the kids violence and blah, blah, blah but all they need to do is turn on the television to get exposed to that. This is about having respect for the adult and these kids all need their little asses beat. There's a big difference between discipline and abuse. And fear of being popped in da mouf can go a long way.My mom never popped anyone anywhere except on the hiney - and we all still lived in mortal fear of "the look." Which I seem to have inherited cuz folks is runnin' away from me all the time.  We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: SCNDLS said: There's a big difference between discipline and abuse. And fear of being popped in da mouf can go a long way.My mom never popped anyone anywhere except on the hiney - and we all still lived in mortal fear of "the look." Which I seem to have inherited cuz folks is runnin' away from me all the time. My mom usually tapped that ass BUT if I got fly with her verbally best belive I got popped in the mouth. Not to where it really hurt but it always came outta left field so the surprise caught me off guard. Momma had a mean jab. She did this moreso when I got older because it was more embarassing than anything else. It REALLY made me think THREE times before getting flippant with her or any other adult. | |
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Slave2daGroove said: JustErin said: You assume that these are kids that do not get spanked for bad behaviour? Maybe not at school, but at home? You just assume that? Yes I did. I see it with the parents of people that I work with. I hear it from everybody on a regular basis in social situations. Spanking isn't right and blah, blah, blah. It seems to be the new thing in raising children and I think this is a direct result of it. Now, I'm not talking about child abuse but being spanked as a result of bad behavior. The fear of getting spanked in THIRD GRADE was enough to stop me from ever even talking back to my teacher. These kids had no fear or respect, how else do you explain it? I mean, we're talking about children here. Parents are directly responsible for their actions because they only know what they've been taught. These kids have not been taught to respect adults and their parents are responsible. Well, most people I know still spank their kids...so I'm not so sure the lack of respect issue you talk of is directly linked to not being spanked. Plus, the kids that got into real shit at school and got the strap when I was a kid were the ones that got spankings/beatings by their parents at home. You can't comment on whether or not these particular kids are spanked at home or not. You can just assume...and they know what they say about assuming. | |
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SCNDLS said: Genesia said: My mom never popped anyone anywhere except on the hiney - and we all still lived in mortal fear of "the look." Which I seem to have inherited cuz folks is runnin' away from me all the time. My mom usually tapped that ass BUT if I got fly with her verbally best belive I got popped in the mouth. Not to where it really hurt but it always came outta left field so the surprise caught me off guard. Momma had a mean jab. She did this moreso when I got older because it was more embarassing than anything else. It REALLY made me think THREE times before getting flippant with her or any other adult."got fly with her verbally" - nice! We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Some extra info...
Police Chief Tony Tanner said the students apparently planned to knock the teacher unconscious with a glass paperweight, bind her with handcuffs and duct tape and then stab her with a broken steak knife.
Tanner said the teacher told detectives the children weren't known as troublemakers.
"You can't dismiss it," Tanner said. "But because they are kids, they may have thought this was like a cartoon — we do whatever and then she stands up and she's OK. That's a hard call." "Some of the kids said, 'We thought they were just kidding,'" Currie said. "Another child was supposed to bring a toy pistol, and he told a detective he didn't bring it because he thought he would get in trouble."
Currie said he decided to seek juvenile charges against two girls, ages 9 and 10, who brought the knife and paperweight and an 8-year-old boy who brought tape. He said they face charges of conspiracy to commit aggravated assault, and both girls are being charged with taking weapons to school.
What I'm not understanding is why the kids didn't go to another teacher, or tell their parents if the teacher was mistreating them or abuse was involved. At least one kid didn't act as planned because he thought he would get in trouble.  "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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Slave2daGroove said: Well how's the no spanking thing working out for people now?
Kids don't respect their parents or any adults apparently. All my mom would have to do is give me the look to know an ass beating was coming if I didn't straighten up. Teachers as well could take a kid into the hallway with a paddle and while I didn't like it when it happened to me, it seems necessary just to get the respect from the authority figures. I've heard all of the arguments about teaching the kids violence and blah, blah, blah but all they need to do is turn on the television to get exposed to that. This is about having respect for the adult and these kids all need their little asses beat. I've never been spanked, and I've never been in a fight, or disrespected my teachers. And I don't think I'm an exception. | |
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And tell me where 3rd graders get handcuffs?  "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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JustErin said: Slave2daGroove said: Yes I did. I see it with the parents of people that I work with. I hear it from everybody on a regular basis in social situations. Spanking isn't right and blah, blah, blah. It seems to be the new thing in raising children and I think this is a direct result of it. Now, I'm not talking about child abuse but being spanked as a result of bad behavior. The fear of getting spanked in THIRD GRADE was enough to stop me from ever even talking back to my teacher. These kids had no fear or respect, how else do you explain it? I mean, we're talking about children here. Parents are directly responsible for their actions because they only know what they've been taught. These kids have not been taught to respect adults and their parents are responsible. Well, most people I know still spank their kids...so I'm not so sure the lack of respect issue you talk of is directly linked to not being spanked. Plus, the kids that got into real shit at school and got the strap when I was a kid were the ones that got spankings/beatings by their parents at home. You can't comment on whether or not these particular kids are spanked at home or not. You can just assume...and they know what they say about assuming. Point taken. All I have is the experience of people I know and how much spanking has become taboo. These people rely on time outs and asking their kids to do things rather than telling them. It's ridiculous when you think about the fact that you're an adult raising a child. | |
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noimageatall said: And tell me where 3rd graders get handcuffs?
No kidding!!! | |
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noimageatall said: And tell me where 3rd graders get handcuffs?
their parents closet | |
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JustErin said: noimageatall said: And tell me where 3rd graders get handcuffs?
No kidding!!! Yeah, I was thinking from the article they were probably those aluminum ones from K-Mart...until I saw the pic. I mean, did one of the kids have a cop for a parent? "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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Slave2daGroove said: JustErin said: Well, most people I know still spank their kids...so I'm not so sure the lack of respect issue you talk of is directly linked to not being spanked. Plus, the kids that got into real shit at school and got the strap when I was a kid were the ones that got spankings/beatings by their parents at home. You can't comment on whether or not these particular kids are spanked at home or not. You can just assume...and they know what they say about assuming. Point taken. All I have is the experience of people I know and how much spanking has become taboo. These people rely on time outs and asking their kids to do things rather than telling them. It's ridiculous when you think about the fact that you're an adult raising a child. That's cool. And for the record, I don't spank my kid and I am told constantly that he's a happy, polite and very well behaved kid - especially for his age (in the terrible 2s). Like I've always said in the spanking debate - it's more about how you raise your kid in general than it is about whether or not you spank them. | |
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ArielB said: Slave2daGroove said: Well how's the no spanking thing working out for people now?
Kids don't respect their parents or any adults apparently. All my mom would have to do is give me the look to know an ass beating was coming if I didn't straighten up. Teachers as well could take a kid into the hallway with a paddle and while I didn't like it when it happened to me, it seems necessary just to get the respect from the authority figures. I've heard all of the arguments about teaching the kids violence and blah, blah, blah but all they need to do is turn on the television to get exposed to that. This is about having respect for the adult and these kids all need their little asses beat. I've never been spanked, and I've never been in a fight, or disrespected my teachers. And I don't think I'm an exception. Maybe it's a social-economic thing. Never been in a fight? Are you male? If so, maybe it's something else because I've been in more fights than I can remember. From 1st grade through 11th grade but none of that really had anything to do with discipline at home, that was just my tolerance to being pushed around by whoever was the bully at the time. I had none, no matter how big the kid was. | |
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