JustErin said:

You are my best Org friend.

Stymie said:

JustErin said:

But a lot of women don't know better either. A lot of our sexuality has been warped (wonderfully and badly) by porn. If you look at the golden age of porn in the 1970's, guys would cum inside the woman like most heterosexual couples do. In the 1980's and through the mid-1990's, the "money shot" came in vogue, and as a way to show that the sex was real, the guys would pull out just before they were about to cum and blow their jizz load on the woman's stomach, tits, or ass. Now there were scenes when a woman would be sucking a guy's dick and he'd cum in her mouth, but back then facial shots were relegated mainly to oral sex scenes. It wasn't until the late 1990's that pornos would regularly show guys fucking a woman, pulling out, and cumming into a woman's face and mouth. Now you have a lot of young women who think that it's normal to just let the guy cum in their faces when in fact it's quite rare.

Living in Sherman Oaks, California, which is in "The Valley", the Valley is porno capitol of the world. Always has been. Easily since the early 70's. It's where all of the studios that film porn are set up. I've met a few women who actually does porn or have done it in the pass. None of them has ever struck me as coke heads in the slightest. Their very business about it. Simply put, it's about the money. And they can make a lot of it, if handled right. Their with agencies, have pro managers, etc. Just like "straight" actresses in Hollywood. It's big business that grosses millions. I've always been a fan of porn. I've always had my favorite actresses in porn and so forth. I agree with another person who posted early in the thread...If I detect that the actress isn't into it, then yeah, I don't want to see that shit. But are the women exploited? depends on what's whappening in the scene. Is she being ganged rape? I'm not into that shit at all so on one hand, I would say yeah. But on the other, I would say no cuz if she's a willing participant, then... If everybody is there to "perform" and their getting paid to do what's written in the script, then no.

728huey said:

Don't know better??



It's about doing things that turn you on. I can only speak for myself and for the friends I have talked with but we all like to do what we love to do...not what we think is normal.

Graycap23 said:

Goddammit, man! That's exactly what I was gonna say. The world is revolves around exploitation - especially of women. Porn is a microcosm of society, so it's not JUST porn.

MuthaFunka said:

Women don't even make the same amount as men do for the same jobs.

Stymie said:

Exactly! Which is the irony in porn - Women get paid more than the men!

MuthaFunka said:

Maybe that's why some women do it.

Stymie said:

Iggggzakalee!

Imago said:

What's a biblethumber?

Is porn exploitative? Not necessarily, though it certainly can be.

My big beef with porn is that in the majority of straight and so-called "lesbian" porn I've seen, the woman or women are clearly not enjoying themselves. Occasionally they look to be in pain or uncomfortable, but the vast majority of the time they just look bored. "Ooh baby, ram my pussy hard with your big tool". *yawn* I'm sorry, but how is that sexy?

Couple that with the fact that I've yet to see a porn star male or female I find attractive, and I'd rather just let my imagination do the work.

Here's a disturbing thought for the Org ladies who sleep with men: Consider how often it seems guys are getting their sex education from porn and how rarely standard hetero porn focuses on the women's pleasure.

I was reading something in which an informal study showed that nearly 100% of straight porn featured guys receiving oral, but less than 20% featured girls receiving proper oral (girl-on-girl reluctant tongue touching was not counted. lol)

No, I don't think so. But then I've never been in the industry so I don't know.

meow85 said:

Interesting.

Luckily I've never been with a guy that either didn't want to do it or was bad at at...and I can safely say all of them were avid porn watchers.

meow85 said:

A real man KNOWS it's all about the woman's pleasure.

meow85 said:

I cannot begin to tell you how it irritates me to watch a woman give a man head for an hour and he either doesn't lick her at all or licks her for three seconds.

Maybe exploitative is not the word: maybe it's objectify.

Matters which pornography we are talking about; some does, some doesnt. On one hand you have Playboy, then you have crap like rape fantasy and racist crap like Ghetto Gaggers.

Don't ask.

JustErin said:

Most I've been with have either been reluctant or just plain bad at it. I'm hoping to chalk that up to the rleative youth of everyone involved. Maybe when I'm older (or if I just start hooking up with older guys. ) it wouldn't be sucha problem.

Stymie said:

I like giving head, but I do not like watching some woman give head and get nothing but a shot in her hair for thanks.

I'm also so not a big fan of so-called lesbian porn. They hire these very, very hetero girls who don't know what they're doing, and the oral turns out as this weird, kittenish licking that barely touches anything. Again -how is that supposed to be hot?

2freaky4church1 said:

I love Playboy, it's so cute.

That said, you won't catch me walking around in a bunny tank top. How is it that such a cute, classy "gentlemens' publication" can create such a trashy fanbase?

meow85 said:

All of you are watching the wrong stuff. Where the HELL are you getting that from?

meow85 said:

Guys do it that way in porn as well...but I always thought they did it that way so that it was very visual...meaning seeing the tongue doing it's thing instead of just seeing the back of the head as it went to town.

I've never been with a guy that does it like they do in porn. They know better and I would imagine they too know that it's done that way just for the viewer and not the person on the receiving end.

Stymie said:

I just wanna point out that this is not an absolute

As far as porn exploiting women, it does AND it doesn't - nobody's forced BUT fucked up life circumstances is what usually takes them down that road. So yes, & no. It's all been said already

Dance said:

The vast majority of mainstream pornography is where.

I work in an adult store now, and was an avid viewer of the genre even beforehand. My friends and I even have porn parties, where we gather in crowds to down cheap wine and watch porn. Sometimes we have theme nights i.e. gay porn or historical porn or girl-on-girl or alt porn (my fave!) It's good fun.

I've seen a lot of porn of a lot of different kinds. And mainstream hetero porn tends to have a very strong, recurring theme -lack of implied or actual sexual gratification of the female. Girl-on-girl is almost always straight girls who don't know what they're doing, oral sex is rarely performed by men on women, and the majority of actresses just look bored. You don't need to be psychic to see that someone's not really having a good time.

JustErin said:

But what is the point when it's not being done right? Anyone who's not a virgin themselves knows that porn-style oral as performed on women isn't get them off.

meow85 said:

Well then why are you complaining?

If you want certain things, you can find it. It's your own fault if you choose to watch the bad stuff.

meow85 said:

Because as many people have said, men (and some women) are very visual, literal creatures.

I don't think it's that hard to understand why they do it...even if it is just an illusion. It's like those women who squirt 2 gallons of so called female ejaculate across a room - total fake shit and everyone knows that...but some people still just love to see that kinda thing.

Dance said:

I don't watch the bad stuff. I've seen enough mainstream to know it's not worth watching. Why shouldn't I complain about it though? That's like saying you shouldn't complain about the shit quality of mainstream music just because you know where to hear tunes that don't suck.

I know porn is largely a man's market, but I highly doubt the entirety of numbers of men who are active consumers are so completely devoid of desire to pleasure their partners as porn portrays.

How is the scenario supposed to be sexy when half the participants are clearly not having fun?

JustErin said:

Physical impossibility and activities that don't garner enjoyment are sexier than real genitalia and hot playtime?