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Printableehuffnsd said: DesertEskimo said: exactly, and I hope more studios come to realise this. honestly i think most do. but can a studio control what a model does in his or her free time? when models escort or dance they aren't always working for the studios. unless it's tied to promo of a movie. is it the studios fault that only certain types of people are attracted to working in the industry? very true  | |
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DesertEskimo said: ehuffnsd said: honestly i think most do. but can a studio control what a model does in his or her free time? when models escort or dance they aren't always working for the studios. unless it's tied to promo of a movie. is it the studios fault that only certain types of people are attracted to working in the industry? very true look at Britney Spears the music industry does the same thing. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: NDRU said: I understand that, definitely, but again that doesn't rule out exploitation. It's the nature of the business, but that business may still exploit young women. who's fault is it? the industry? the girls? or the people buying the porn? Most likely it's their parents, but also the industry, and people who support videos that are more exploitative. Hey I compared it to pro sports, being payed a million dollars to play on a broken ankle. We're all exploited to some extent. I think some porn stars have it pretty good, but my guess is most don't fare very well. [Edited 3/19/08 17:43pm] My Legacy
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NDRU said: ehuffnsd said: who's fault is it? the industry? the girls? or the people buying the porn? Most likely it's their parents, but also the industry, and people who support videos that are more exploitative. Hey I compared it to pro sports, being payed a million dollars to play on a broken ankle. We're all exploited to some extent. I think some porn stars have it pretty good, but my guess is most don't fare very well. [Edited 3/19/08 17:43pm] there are some who do great others who do poorly and most who do so so You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Right studio?
Treat the actors well? No, that's just the smokescreen they throw up to make casual viewers feel less guilty and continue to buy the product. | |
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Dance said: Right studio?
Treat the actors well? No, that's just the smokescreen they throw up to make casual viewers feel less guilty and continue to buy the product. i don't know about you but i am speaking from experience. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: DesertEskimo said: exactly, and I hope more studios come to realise this. honestly i think most do. but can a studio control what a model does in his or her free time? when models escort or dance they aren't always working for the studios. unless it's tied to promo of a movie. is it the studios fault that only certain types of people are attracted to working in the industry? The industry puts them in a big pile of coke and X. The industry also whores them out and rapes them. When "models" escort and dance, if they're with a studio, they're working for them. They have a choice not to be involved, but the industry isn't some clean environment where people show up, do their scene, and then go home. | |
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Dance said: ehuffnsd said: honestly i think most do. but can a studio control what a model does in his or her free time? when models escort or dance they aren't always working for the studios. unless it's tied to promo of a movie. is it the studios fault that only certain types of people are attracted to working in the industry? The industry puts them in a big pile of coke and X. The industry also whores them out and rapes them. When "models" escort and dance, if they're with a studio, they're working for them. They have a choice not to be involved, but the industry isn't some clean environment where people show up, do their scene, and then go home. i beg to differ. from those i know in the industry it's not like that. from my own personal expereince with films it was never like that. for instance the studio that i'm currently talking to, they are flying to me SF, putting me up for 3 nights. and they have handed over a whole list of things i can't do pior to or during the shoot. [Edited 3/19/08 17:54pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Dance said: The industry puts them in a big pile of coke and X. The industry also whores them out and rapes them. When "models" escort and dance, if they're with a studio, they're working for them. They have a choice not to be involved, but the industry isn't some clean environment where people show up, do their scene, and then go home. i beg to differ. from those i know in the industry it's not like that. from my own personal expereince with films it was never like that. for instance the studio that i'm currently talking to, they are flying to me SF, putting me up for 3 nights. and they have handed over a whole list of things i can't do pior to or during the shoot. [Edited 3/19/08 17:54pm] but aren't you a guy? My Legacy
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NDRU said: ehuffnsd said: i beg to differ. from those i know in the industry it's not like that. from my own personal expereince with films it was never like that. for instance the studio that i'm currently talking to, they are flying to me SF, putting me up for 3 nights. and they have handed over a whole list of things i can't do pior to or during the shoot. [Edited 3/19/08 17:54pm] but aren't you a guy? it's gay porn yes. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: DesertEskimo said: very true look at Britney Spears the music industry does the same thing. very good comparison 
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ehuffnsd said: NDRU said: but aren't you a guy? it's gay porn yes. The question is 'are women exploited.' Not that you don't have great insight, but maybe women in straight porn (especially at a more amateur level) don't have the same experience. You also come across as pretty level headed. I'm sure porn is, to some extent, what you make of it. Sounds like you've made the right decisions, at least within that industry. I think lots of young women don't know enough to make it work for them and there are plenty of people willing to exploit that. My Legacy
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ehuffnsd said: Dance said: The industry puts them in a big pile of coke and X. The industry also whores them out and rapes them. When "models" escort and dance, if they're with a studio, they're working for them. They have a choice not to be involved, but the industry isn't some clean environment where people show up, do their scene, and then go home. i beg to differ. from those i know in the industry it's not like that. from my own personal expereince with films it was never like that. for instance the studio that i'm currently talking to, they are flying to me SF, putting me up for 3 nights. and they have handed over a whole list of things i can't do pior to or during the shoot. [Edited 3/19/08 17:54pm] Didn't you say you had AIDS the other day? And that you were an addict for years? And that you have wings and can fly?  | |
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Dance said: ehuffnsd said: i beg to differ. from those i know in the industry it's not like that. from my own personal expereince with films it was never like that. for instance the studio that i'm currently talking to, they are flying to me SF, putting me up for 3 nights. and they have handed over a whole list of things i can't do pior to or during the shoot. [Edited 3/19/08 17:54pm] Didn't you say you had AIDS the other day? And that you were an addict for years? And that you have wings and can fly? i have HIV i do not have AIDS i was am a recovering crystal meth addict yes both of which happened before i did porn. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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NDRU said: ehuffnsd said: it's gay porn yes. The question is 'are women exploited.' Not that you don't have great insight, but maybe women in straight porn (especially at a more amateur level) don't have the same experience. You also come across as pretty level headed. I'm sure porn is, to some extent, what you make of it. Sounds like you've made the right decisions, at least within that industry. I think lots of young women don't know enough to make it work for them and there are plenty of people willing to exploit that. the same can be said for any industry that is entertainment focused. but in all honesty companies are in better position if they have a predictable stable product to market or a band to build. Jenna was sober or not as fucked up as some of the other girls when she got into the business. and not only was she able to build an empire for herself but was able to make money for the companies that got her there. if you've got a hot property but you loose the money invested in that drugs and a model that can't work, you aren't making any money. like again Britney, yes she has been doing drugs since she was 16 but Jive would rather have her working bringing in money than where she is now. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Dance said: Didn't you say you had AIDS the other day? And that you were an addict for years? And that you have wings and can fly? i have HIV i do not have AIDS i was am a recovering crystal meth addict yes both of which happened before i did porn. Whatever dude. | |
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Dance said: ehuffnsd said: i have HIV i do not have AIDS i was am a recovering crystal meth addict yes both of which happened before i did porn. Whatever dude. shocking i know. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Dance said: Whatever dude. shocking i know. | |
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728huey said: Dance said:
Porn is as old as dirt, and one of the biggest industries out there, so we're all(regardless of gender)buying and watching. Hell the net is pretty much just Porntube.
It's not exactly empowering, but to call it that is going too far. Compare the lifestyles of these women and men with some poor young man or woman in a foreign country who's parents sell them into sex slavery or prostitute them or who just get kidnapped. NOT EVEN CLOSE. But pretty much everyone who's involved in porn, male and female, has a history of abuse. There are no well-adjusted people who do porn. There are exceptions, those people who've almost been forced into it by whatever situation they're in...but that isn't true for the majority While I agree that there are a lot of people who willingly get into porn and even get their kicks out of being porn superstars, you're right in that just about all professional porn stars have some type of horrible back story involving abuse, neglect, addiction, or molestation. It's finding out about this stuff that turned me from an excited fan to an ambivalent viewer of porn. It's hard to enjoy the fantasy of those sex scenes when you know that the performers are basically psychologically damaged in some form. The other sightly more disturbing development in porn is the creation of gonzo movies, or what should really be called "jack crack". It used to be that there would be at least an attempt to create a plotline in a porn movie, however flimsy it was, but now there are massive subgenres of pornos that go straight into the sex act and dispense with any plot whatsoever. Now you get videos like "Anal Assassins", "Big Black Booties", or "Cum Sucking Sluts" that are made just for primarily male viewers to use as a sexual aid. That's not to say that some of these aren't hot; some of them are especially hot  ; but it gives people a highly distorted and cheap view of sexuality that even sexually healthy and highly horny people can't live up to.
 You make some really good points. Actually, not only in this thread, but I have read another comment of yours and you express so well and see through to the core and truth of a matter. Thanks so much for your insight. | |
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wildgoldenhoney said: 728huey said:
Dance said:
Porn is as old as dirt, and one of the biggest industries out there, so we're all(regardless of gender)buying and watching. Hell the net is pretty much just Porntube.
It's not exactly empowering, but to call it that is going too far. Compare the lifestyles of these women and men with some poor young man or woman in a foreign country who's parents sell them into sex slavery or prostitute them or who just get kidnapped. NOT EVEN CLOSE. But pretty much everyone who's involved in porn, male and female, has a history of abuse. There are no well-adjusted people who do porn. There are exceptions, those people who've almost been forced into it by whatever situation they're in...but that isn't true for the majority While I agree that there are a lot of people who willingly get into porn and even get their kicks out of being porn superstars, you're right in that just about all professional porn stars have some type of horrible back story involving abuse, neglect, addiction, or molestation. It's finding out about this stuff that turned me from an excited fan to an ambivalent viewer of porn. It's hard to enjoy the fantasy of those sex scenes when you know that the performers are basically psychologically damaged in some form. The other sightly more disturbing development in porn is the creation of gonzo movies, or what should really be called "jack crack". It used to be that there would be at least an attempt to create a plotline in a porn movie, however flimsy it was, but now there are massive subgenres of pornos that go straight into the sex act and dispense with any plot whatsoever. Now you get videos like "Anal Assassins", "Big Black Booties", or "Cum Sucking Sluts" that are made just for primarily male viewers to use as a sexual aid. That's not to say that some of these aren't hot; some of them are especially hot ; but it gives people a highly distorted and cheap view of sexuality that even sexually healthy and highly horny people can't live up to.
You make some really good points. Actually, not only in this thread, but I have read another comment of yours and you express so well and see through to the core and truth of a matter. Thanks so much for your insight. Thanks. I feel really touched.  [Edited 3/19/08 18:32pm] | |
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728huey said: wildgoldenhoney said:
728huey said:
You make some really good points. Actually, not only in this thread, but I have read another comment of yours and you express so well and see through to the core and truth of a matter. Thanks so much for your insight. Thanks. I feel really touched.
[Edited 3/19/08 18:32pm] 
You really do...  | |
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ehuffnsd said: DesertEskimo said: exactly, and I hope more studios come to realise this. honestly i think most do. but can a studio control what a model does in his or her free time? when models escort or dance they aren't always working for the studios. unless it's tied to promo of a movie. is it the studios fault that only certain types of people are attracted to working in the industry? Drug testing. Where I work, they don't control what I do in my free time, but I'm subject to random drug testing and I'll get fired if I fail. Maybe we can go to the movies and cry together | |
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Volitan said: Stymie said: In my opinion, men are not exploited in straight porn. It's all pleasure for them. They are the ones inflicting pain/discomfort, getting but not giving. It's a win/win situation for them.
WTF? Women like sex too. Is it so far of a stretch to think that women are in it for pleasure too?  | |
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JustErin said: 728huey said: Dance said:
While I agree that there are a lot of people who willingly get into porn and even get their kicks out of being porn superstars, you're right in that just about all professional porn stars have some type of horrible back story involving abuse, neglect, addiction, or molestation. It's finding out about this stuff that turned me from an excited fan to an ambivalent viewer of porn. It's hard to enjoy the fantasy of those sex scenes when you know that the performers are basically psychologically damaged in some form. The other sightly more disturbing development in porn is the creation of gonzo movies, or what should really be called "jack crack". It used to be that there would be at least an attempt to create a plotline in a porn movie, however flimsy it was, but now there are massive subgenres of pornos that go straight into the sex act and dispense with any plot whatsoever. Now you get videos like "Anal Assassins", "Big Black Booties", or "Cum Sucking Sluts" that are made just for primarily male viewers to use as a sexual aid. That's not to say that some of these aren't hot; some of them are especially hot ; but it gives people a highly distorted and cheap view of sexuality that even sexually healthy and highly horny people can't live up to.
Gonzo is not made just for men. Most women I know have no interest in plot lines. They just tune in for the sex. I don't know anyone who bothers with those storyline porn movies - everyone watches gonzo. | |
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Stymie said: JustErin said: Gonzo is not made just for men. Most women I know have no interest in plot lines. They just tune in for the sex. I don't know anyone who bothers with those storyline porn movies - everyone watches gonzo.   | |
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Stymie said: JustErin said:
Gonzo is not made just for men. Most women I know have no interest in plot lines. They just tune in for the sex. I don't know anyone who bothers with those storyline porn movies - everyone watches gonzo. I actually like storylines because I'm into foreplay. I like to know why the two people end up sleeping together. I don't watch porn for the thespian acting skills of the various sex performers either, but part of the whole fantasy aspect of porn is the role playing, whether it's about naughty nurses, horny housekeepers, the S&M mistress who commands her subjects to discipline, the fairy goddess who gives a nut-busting blowjob, etc. In gonzo porn, you just go straight into the fucking, anal fucking, or double penetration without any semblance of foreplay. Granted, on a porn set, we don't see the fluffers whose job it is to get the performers all hot and horny for each other prior to the shoot so that they are all ready for hot fucking once the cameras are rolling, but if I tried to ram my rock hard dick straight into my woman's pussy or ass without any foreplay, she'd probably kick me in the balls so hard that I couldn't fuck anyone for weeks.  
BTW, one of the ways that porno producers exploit women with gonzo movies come from how they package compilation videos. The women come on to the set and fuck for a particular movie, like "Delilah's Erotic Fantasies", get their money for the shoot and go on to the next film. However, the producers get mileage out of those scenes by compiling a "Best of Delilah" video, or "Hot Anal Whores" or "Amazing Cock Suckers" video featuring Delilah's previously filmed scenes, which allow them to make additional millions of dollars in video sales while Delilah gets no residuals from them. | |
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Imago said:
yeah I guess. But if you ever watch porn--I'm not talking gay, but just plain old straight porn, it's all about the penis. More camera time is focused on the penis than anything else. That's why I love straight porn, to see the dicks. I can simply block the pussies out of my mind. Anyway, I would call most of the cumshots in straight porn degrading to women more than anything else. I mean, 90% of the time, they love to cum all over the woman's face. Why not have her continue sucking the dick until it cums or either have her, not him, jack it off the rest of the way, rather than having him cum all over her face? I've sucked a many a dick but if a motherfucker was to cum all over my face, I would put his dick back into my mouth and bite it off. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Imago said:
yeah I guess. But if you ever watch porn--I'm not talking gay, but just plain old straight porn, it's all about the penis. More camera time is focused on the penis than anything else. That's why I love straight porn, to see the dicks. I can simply block the pussies out of my mind. Anyway, I would call most of the cumshots in straight porn degrading to women more than anything else. I mean, 90% of the time, they love to cum all over the woman's face. Why not have her continue sucking the dick until it cums or either have her, not him, jack it off the rest of the way, rather than having him cum all over her face? I've sucked a many a dick but if a motherfucker was to cum all over my face, I would put his dick back into my mouth and bite it off. But some women love that. | |
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JustErin said: vainandy said: That's why I love straight porn, to see the dicks. I can simply block the pussies out of my mind. Anyway, I would call most of the cumshots in straight porn degrading to women more than anything else. I mean, 90% of the time, they love to cum all over the woman's face. Why not have her continue sucking the dick until it cums or either have her, not him, jack it off the rest of the way, rather than having him cum all over her face? I've sucked a many a dick but if a motherfucker was to cum all over my face, I would put his dick back into my mouth and bite it off. But some women love that. Stop it! Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it. |
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moderatorMars23 said: JustErin said: But some women love that. Stop it! 
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