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Printablesextonseven said: meow85 said: Yeah, that was a little iffy. I think Joss wanted to take time to focus more on the interpersonal drama than dealing with supervillians, which I understand. But honestly -high school nerds as evildoers? Only Warren was arguably evil, and he was just a smart guy with a huge chip on his shoulder. Jonathan and Andrew were just kids sitting in a basement. For me, S7 had a much better villain (THE evil!) but the presentation was weak. It just dragged on and on. Spike going crazy coping with having a soul got a little tired for me. I do love Spike with a soul on Angel though. I think that's why it was dropped so quickly. One episode, he's talking to himself, muttering, has crazy hair, and the next... he's normal Spike, just being mind-controlled.  "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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sextonseven said: meow85 said: Yeah, that was a little iffy. I think Joss wanted to take time to focus more on the interpersonal drama than dealing with supervillians, which I understand. But honestly -high school nerds as evildoers? Only Warren was arguably evil, and he was just a smart guy with a huge chip on his shoulder. Jonathan and Andrew were just kids sitting in a basement. For me, S7 had a much better villain (THE evil!) but the presentation was weak. It just dragged on and on. Spike going crazy coping with having a soul got a little tired for me. I do love Spike with a soul on Angel though. Is anyone reading Angel: After The Fall? Shocking to see what happened after season five. I haven't read any of the comics, mostly because hey're not the easiest thing to find in this city and I can't be arsed to order anything offline for now. But I'll def. get around to catching up. I promise.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Raze said: sextonseven said: Spike going crazy coping with having a soul got a little tired for me. I do love Spike with a soul on Angel though. I think that's why it was dropped so quickly. One episode, he's talking to himself, muttering, has crazy hair, and the next... he's normal Spike, just being mind-controlled. Again, it was a great idea but the presentation was too weak to carry it off properly. That seems to be Joss' fatal flaw in half of what he does. I imagine getting your soul/conscience back after 100+ years of being a soulless killing machine would wreak havoc on anybody's brain, and let's face it, Spike was pretty unbalanced to begin with. Not to mention the psychological strain of effectively being neutered and unable to even feed himself.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: Raze said: I think that's why it was dropped so quickly. One episode, he's talking to himself, muttering, has crazy hair, and the next... he's normal Spike, just being mind-controlled. Again, it was a great idea but the presentation was too weak to carry it off properly. That seems to be Joss' fatal flaw in half of what he does. I imagine getting your soul/conscience back after 100+ years of being a soulless killing machine would wreak havoc on anybody's brain, and let's face it, Spike was pretty unbalanced to begin with. Not to mention the psychological strain of effectively being neutered and unable to even feed himself. Yes, it was necessary to show that a vampire reacquiring its soul is no walk in the park, but definitely not the highlight of season 7. | |
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sextonseven said: meow85 said: Again, it was a great idea but the presentation was too weak to carry it off properly. That seems to be Joss' fatal flaw in half of what he does. I imagine getting your soul/conscience back after 100+ years of being a soulless killing machine would wreak havoc on anybody's brain, and let's face it, Spike was pretty unbalanced to begin with. Not to mention the psychological strain of effectively being neutered and unable to even feed himself. Yes, it was necessary to show that a vampire reacquiring its soul is no walk in the park, but definitely not the highlight of season 7. I agree, though the writers should have thought of a better way to segue out of it than just "Hey! Spike's all better now all of a sudden! Fancy that!" Maybe making his recovery more gradual or not having him really fully recover at all might have been a better approach. It could've been mighty interesting by the time Spike got to Angel to have him be bonkers AND non-corporeal.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: sextonseven said: Yes, it was necessary to show that a vampire reacquiring its soul is no walk in the park, but definitely not the highlight of season 7. I agree, though the writers should have thought of a better way to segue out of it than just "Hey! Spike's all better now all of a sudden! Fancy that!" Maybe making his recovery more gradual or not having him really fully recover at all might have been a better approach. It could've been mighty interesting by the time Spike got to Angel to have him be bonkers AND non-corporeal. It would have been cool if he only became lucid in the series finale just as he sacrificed himself. But that means I would have had to deal with an entire season of loco-Spike. 
And I prefer Spike to be at the top of his game when matching wits with Angel. That show's best season was when Spike was added to the cast. | |
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sextonseven said: Sweeny79 said: I'm currently about half way through season 7.... are the comics in an anthology book or do you have to hunt all the single issues down?
The first five issues are currently collected in tpb: 
Issues 6-10 will be collected in a tpb in June:  Maybe I'll finally pick these up... I've resisted, but I'm not sure I can for much longer.  |
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Raze said: meow85 said: Personally, I would've preferred any 'ship to that one. Had it been played out differently, Spuffy could've worked for me. But no. No cookie for Joss this time. The rampant inequality in how it was portrayed bugged the shit out of me. Yeah, I kind of lost a lot of respect for the character (Buffy) the way she handled Spike. There's a difference between revealing flaws for some great characterization and just completely trashing her personality. Sure, she had a lot going on in her head, but still, this is fiction.... the heroes don't have to be COMPLETELY realistic human beings. A lot of the magic of the character and the show were lost for me during S6. And it wasn't just Buffy's character. 6 is probably my favorite season. |
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CarrieMpls said: Raze said: Yeah, I kind of lost a lot of respect for the character (Buffy) the way she handled Spike. There's a difference between revealing flaws for some great characterization and just completely trashing her personality. Sure, she had a lot going on in her head, but still, this is fiction.... the heroes don't have to be COMPLETELY realistic human beings. A lot of the magic of the character and the show were lost for me during S6. And it wasn't just Buffy's character. 6 is probably my favorite season. No No No Season 3 was the bestest, Faith, The Mayor, The Buffy/Angel angle, Oz. Plus there was just enough camp, specially the finale, to take it to the zenith. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. |
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lazycrockett said: CarrieMpls said: 6 is probably my favorite season. No No No Season 3 was the bestest, Faith, The Mayor, The Buffy/Angel angle, Oz. Plus there was just enough camp, specially the finale, to take it to the zenith. The first time I watched them all through, seasons 3 and 5 were my fave. The last time I watched them through, I still enjoyed them, but I realized just HOW GOOD season 6 was. I also hated the whole initiative story-line in season 4, but some of my favorite stand-alone epidoes are in that season. |
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CarrieMpls said: sextonseven said: The first five issues are currently collected in tpb:
Issues 6-10 will be collected in a tpb in June: Maybe I'll finally pick these up... I've resisted, but I'm not sure I can for much longer. It's great reading. I couldn't believe how much I missed new episodes after reading the first few pages of the first issue. | |
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Finished the last episode the other day... now I'm going to start Angel.
I can't belive I'm going to end up buying comics. Jeez... everyone around here is calling me a dork. 
Oh well, me likes. In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular. |
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Sweeny79 said: Finished the last episode the other day... now I'm going to start Angel.
I can't belive I'm going to end up buying comics. Jeez... everyone around here is calling me a dork.
Oh well, me likes. A dork? I'd rather READ than play VIDEO GAMES. I haven't held any kind of controller in over 15 years. Maybe I'm a dork too. | |
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sextonseven said: Sweeny79 said: Finished the last episode the other day... now I'm going to start Angel.
I can't belive I'm going to end up buying comics. Jeez... everyone around here is calling me a dork.
Oh well, me likes. A dork? I'd rather READ than play VIDEO GAMES. I haven't held any kind of controller in over 15 years. Maybe I'm a dork too. You are about as far from "dork" as a person could get.
They are making me feel like Andrew. 
But, as long as I don't start playing D&D I think I'm going to be alright. In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular. |
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Sweeny79 said: Finished the last episode the other day... now I'm going to start Angel.
I can't belive I'm going to end up buying comics. Jeez... everyone around here is calling me a dork.
Oh well, me likes. I'm on season 3 of Angel right now. My first time seeing them all ever. It took me a while to get into it, but by about the last third of season 2 it picks up big time. It's so all I've been doing the last week. |
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sextonseven said: meow85 said: I agree, though the writers should have thought of a better way to segue out of it than just "Hey! Spike's all better now all of a sudden! Fancy that!" Maybe making his recovery more gradual or not having him really fully recover at all might have been a better approach. It could've been mighty interesting by the time Spike got to Angel to have him be bonkers AND non-corporeal. It would have been cool if he only became lucid in the series finale just as he sacrificed himself. But that means I would have had to deal with an entire season of loco-Spike.
And I prefer Spike to be at the top of his game when matching wits with Angel. That show's best season was when Spike was added to the cast.  I agree wholeheartedly. Angel needed someone to be a pain in his ass. (but is it canon? ) The other regulars on the show by that point, even when there were disagreements, were never all that opposing.
Angel/Angelus needs a contrary brat to really bring out the most interesting aspects of his character. Spike's the perfect foil for him. But I still disagree with the handling of Spike's looniness. Vampire or not, you don't just spontaneously recover from a paranoid, delusional state.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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CarrieMpls said: Raze said: Yeah, I kind of lost a lot of respect for the character (Buffy) the way she handled Spike. There's a difference between revealing flaws for some great characterization and just completely trashing her personality. Sure, she had a lot going on in her head, but still, this is fiction.... the heroes don't have to be COMPLETELY realistic human beings. A lot of the magic of the character and the show were lost for me during S6. And it wasn't just Buffy's character. 6 is probably my favorite season. 
S6 has its value. But compared to the rest of the series, it's just so damn depressing. Somewhere along the way (especially S6), the writers forgot how to incorporate ALL of the elements that made the show great into one episode. It started popping up earlier, but it was here that it became a problem, and you got the funny episode, the depressing episode, the action episode, the horror episode, etc., instead of every episode mingling all of those elements. "Half of what I say is meaningless; but I say it so that the other half may reach you." - Kahlil Gibran | |
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meow85 said: sextonseven said: It would have been cool if he only became lucid in the series finale just as he sacrificed himself. But that means I would have had to deal with an entire season of loco-Spike.
And I prefer Spike to be at the top of his game when matching wits with Angel. That show's best season was when Spike was added to the cast. I agree wholeheartedly. Angel needed someone to be a pain in his ass. (but is it canon? ) The other regulars on the show by that point, even when there were disagreements, were never all that opposing.
Angel/Angelus needs a contrary brat to really bring out the most interesting aspects of his character. Spike's the perfect foil for him. But I still disagree with the handling of Spike's looniness. Vampire or not, you don't just spontaneously recover from a paranoid, delusional state. I love talking about Buffy with you. You are awesome. | |
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CarrieMpls said: Sweeny79 said: Finished the last episode the other day... now I'm going to start Angel.
I can't belive I'm going to end up buying comics. Jeez... everyone around here is calling me a dork.
Oh well, me likes. I'm on season 3 of Angel right now. My first time seeing them all ever. It took me a while to get into it, but by about the last third of season 2 it picks up big time. It's so all I've been doing the last week. I'm not alone!   In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular. |
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sextonseven said: meow85 said: I agree wholeheartedly. Angel needed someone to be a pain in his ass. (but is it canon? ) The other regulars on the show by that point, even when there were disagreements, were never all that opposing.
Angel/Angelus needs a contrary brat to really bring out the most interesting aspects of his character. Spike's the perfect foil for him. But I still disagree with the handling of Spike's looniness. Vampire or not, you don't just spontaneously recover from a paranoid, delusional state. I love talking about Buffy with you. You are awesome. Aw, shucks.  [Edited 3/16/08 0:03am] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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