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Printableevenstar said: missfee said: exactly what I was thinking. so the guy is starting off by lying to his woman by manipulating her into thinking that what she has isn't really what it is? Thats dumb. That says a lot about the guy if he did that. Personally I don't need a diamond. I would much more appreciate the creativity of a sapphire stone, or a citrine stone, I don't have to have diamonds to make me happy.  for me it's not so much about the stone but if the setting/ring itself is something i like and would want to wear every day.  If the guy's thought about it a lot and picked everything himself and then you find you love it then that would be really saying something. | |
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fhqwhgads said: evenstar said: for me it's not so much about the stone but if the setting/ring itself is something i like and would want to wear every day. If the guy's thought about it a lot and picked everything himself and then you find you love it then that would be really saying something. yeah! especially with me, i'm so picky about jewelry that i rarely wear any. | |
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evenstar said: fhqwhgads said: If the guy's thought about it a lot and picked everything himself and then you find you love it then that would be really saying something. yeah! especially with me, i'm so picky about jewelry that i rarely wear any. I'm not picky about jewelry but I just don't really like wearing it. I've got maybe 5 or 6 rings, some Thai bangles, a few phraa pendants, a couple of curb bracelets and a watch I've hardly ever worn. I must like the jewelry but just not wearing it, I guess. The only thing I have on most of the time is just an orange piece of string from the temple that's tied around my right wrist.  | |
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Look ladies!
Aren't they gorgeous!?!  Which do you prefer and why? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Look ladies!
Aren't they gorgeous!?! Which do you prefer and why? ick, neither. especially not the heart-shaped one. and isn't a 3-stone ring for an anniversary after many years of marriage? | |
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evenstar said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Look ladies!
Aren't they gorgeous!?! Which do you prefer and why? ick, neither. especially not the heart-shaped one. and isn't a 3-stone ring for an anniversary after many years of marriage? Are you saying men don't give women like 5,000,000 diamonds for an engagement ring?
Wait! You're trying to get this off topic aren't you?  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: evenstar said: ick, neither. especially not the heart-shaped one. and isn't a 3-stone ring for an anniversary after many years of marriage? Are you saying men don't give women like 5,000,000 diamonds for an engagement ring?
Wait! You're trying to get this off topic aren't you? i dunno  my mom has a (much prettier) 3 stone ring my dad got her a few years back, i think for their 25th wedding anniversary. maybe that's not the tradition everywhere though? | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: fhqwhgads said: Bitch, please! Well I really don't understand why all the ladies are getting in a snit. We all know men are weak creatures and they will end up just getting their way so why all the sweatin up in here? Whatever, pot. We're not starting multiple threads about how much we expect diamonds. |
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CarrieMpls said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Well I really don't understand why all the ladies are getting in a snit. We all know men are weak creatures and they will end up just getting their way so why all the sweatin up in here? Whatever, pot. We're not starting multiple threads about how much we expect diamonds. Are you calling me a spoiled witch who only wants her way?
Thread or no thread....well, you know what I think You can remove the FunkyOrgangrinder but ya still got SUPAsexy! The org's original hottie  | |
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I've never even seen a diamond ring I like. I love the one I have because Leo chose it for me. | |
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ZombieKitten said: I've never even seen a diamond ring I like. I love the one I have because Leo chose it for me.
That's the way it should be... | |
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fhqwhgads said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: See, I think that this is where a big chunk of straights hating gay men comes from. I don't have to play any fuckin games to get laid. Straight America needs to do the triathalon but it's really a straight creation so you only have yourselves to blame. All the expectations on women, all the expectations on men, women enjoy sex they'rs sluts so they won't give it up because they are labeled and thus you need to swim across the atlantic ocean in order to get her to agree to even let you take her out to dinner, let alone sex 
Did you know that sometimes two straight people find they like each other, hook up quite naturally and without fuss, start hanging out a lot, find they like each other, have sex, sometimes even get married, without all the games you're alluding to? Sounds crazy, I know, but it happens. You make it sound like all straight people are these neurotic, insecurity-ridden scatterbrains constantly completely ill at ease in the dating and relationship world. You are talking crazy right there my friend. | |
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NDRU said: shanti0608 said: I just like platinum because it is tough and it wears beautifully. I think if it is something you are going to wear everyday and have something to pass down through generations then it should be able to withstand the test of time. yeah, nothing wrong with diamonds (try to get "conflict free" at least) & platinum if you can afford them, but they shouldn't be necessary to confirm true love is all. Very true
I just look at it like something that is invaluable and irreplaceable so it should be something that will last. I plan on mine being passed down for many generations. I have my great grandmothers ring. I used to wear it but it needs some work because the band is wearing very thin. I guess that is the main reason I have always like platinum. If he could not afford it I would be just as happy. | |
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ZombieKitten said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You mean like my opinion?
Yeah, people are entitled to feel this is something they deserve. I'm just asking why and encouraging men to find the right women that won't care if they don't bankrupt themselves in order to give the princess her society fueled dream some people actually can afford it. Phil wanted to do it, so he did. It makes him feel good to do it. Val I can tell, like he says, is one to not want much. That makes him feel even better to do this for her, because he could, not because he had to. That situation is NOT the same for everyone, I agree. I don't think people should feel like they HAVE to buckle under some kind of pressure to, but if they really want to do it, then of course they should be able to. Your opinion is valid, just remember IT DOES NOT APPLY TO EVERYONE, no matter how much you want it to  I think you nailed it Charlotte. You know Phil | |
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shanti0608 said: fhqwhgads said:
Did you know that sometimes two straight people find they like each other, hook up quite naturally and without fuss, start hanging out a lot, find they like each other, have sex, sometimes even get married, without all the games you're alluding to? Sounds crazy, I know, but it happens. You make it sound like all straight people are these neurotic, insecurity-ridden scatterbrains constantly completely ill at ease in the dating and relationship world. You are talking crazy right there my friend. Seriously? Well, in that case I don't know WHAT to think, not that I really need do so, but still.  | |
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fhqwhgads said: shanti0608 said: You are talking crazy right there my friend. Seriously? Well, in that case I don't know WHAT to think, not that I really need do so, but still. I was teasing you....as usual  | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: mdiver said: When i got Val's ring it was very much a turnaround for her.She has never been a diamond person or the kind of person that WANTS ALOT.
I wanted her to have the BEST because i wanted to treat her as she should be treated. I wanted to give her the best i could afford and the best i could find. I sent my jeweller in search of a specific diamond. I told him what i wanted not how much it should cost, he found it and when he showed it to me i knew it was right. It wasn't about cost it was about what was RIGHT. I had it set in the only things Val said she wanted..platinum From me to her as a demonstration of how much i love her. It really is that simple.It was never about size or cost but about what is RIGHT from me to her. Why are you defensive You give yourself too much credit Richard, you don't have the power to make me "defensive" i simply stated how i feel on the matter. It really is that simple and if you actually knew anything about me or about Valory you would actually understand the words above as opposed to your removed ideas. I really do worry about this view you have of women in general, i am starting to think that maybe the female role models in your life have let you down in some way because your generalizations on females are both rude and off beam. If your life experience of women (bearing in mind you are gay and therefore don't relate in the same manner as those of us formulating that different bond) has been of women like you constantly describe here then most definitely need to deal with those issues as opposed to trying to convince the rest of us, who have balanced relationships with women, and strangely enough don't feel constrained by the kind of stereotypes you try to tell us we feel, that you are right and we are wrong. | |
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mdiver said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Why are you defensive You give yourself too much credit Richard, you don't have the power to make me "defensive" i simply stated how i feel on the matter. It really is that simple and if you actually knew anything about me or about Valory you would actually understand the words above as opposed to your removed ideas. I really do worry about this view you have of women in general, i am starting to think that maybe the female role models in your life have let you down in some way because your generalizations on females are both rude and off beam. If your life experience of women (bearing in mind you are gay and therefore don't relate in the same manner as those of us formulating that different bond) has been of women like you constantly describe here then most definitely need to deal with those issues as opposed to trying to convince the rest of us, who have balanced relationships with women, and strangely enough don't feel constrained by the kind of stereotypes you try to tell us we feel, that you are right and we are wrong. Let me guess..you are marrying me because you feel the pressure from society to do that like you did when you gave me an engagement ring. Naughty boy.... 
I love my ring btw... wanna know why? Because you put a lot of thought into it. Because we decided together what the finished product should look like. Because it was hand made by someone I have met, not manufactured and sitting in a store along with a million other ones that look exactly like it. Because it is a constant reflection of our love and commitment. Because it will be something that can be passed down and will forever be a symbol of our love. Plain and simple. Just a start to the many traditions that we will share together. [Edited 2/27/08 1:55am] | |
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so sweet  | |
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Here's a tip, if u feel u cant trust her enough to even give her a ring and be honest about it, cubic zirconia or not...
Then DON'T MARRY HER in the first place!!!! :duhhhh PRINCE IS WATCHING U  " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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shanti0608 said: fhqwhgads said: Seriously? Well, in that case I don't know WHAT to think, not that I really need do so, but still. I was teasing you....as usual  | |
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fhqwhgads said: shanti0608 said: I was teasing you....as usual Like I would seriously say you were talking crazy? You have always been an inspiration to me.  | |
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I think Supa's right about one thing: A guy shouldn't go into "debtor's prison" for a ring. Save up for the real thing. Spend wisely. | |
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shanti0608 said: mdiver said: You give yourself too much credit Richard, you don't have the power to make me "defensive" i simply stated how i feel on the matter. It really is that simple and if you actually knew anything about me or about Valory you would actually understand the words above as opposed to your removed ideas. I really do worry about this view you have of women in general, i am starting to think that maybe the female role models in your life have let you down in some way because your generalizations on females are both rude and off beam. If your life experience of women (bearing in mind you are gay and therefore don't relate in the same manner as those of us formulating that different bond) has been of women like you constantly describe here then most definitely need to deal with those issues as opposed to trying to convince the rest of us, who have balanced relationships with women, and strangely enough don't feel constrained by the kind of stereotypes you try to tell us we feel, that you are right and we are wrong. 
Let me guess..you are marrying me because you feel the pressure from society to do that like you did when you gave me an engagement ring. Naughty boy....
I love my ring btw... wanna know why? Because you put a lot of thought into it. Because we decided together what the finished product should look like. Because it was hand made by someone I have met, not manufactured and sitting in a store along with a million other ones that look exactly like it. Because it is a constant reflection of our love and commitment. Because it will be something that can be passed down and will forever be a symbol of our love. Plain and simple. Just a start to the many traditions that we will share together. [Edited 2/27/08 1:55am] | |
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shanti0608 said: fhqwhgads said: Like I would seriously say you were talking crazy? You have always been an inspiration to me. 
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fhqwhgads said: shanti0608 said: Like I would seriously say you were talking crazy? You have always been an inspiration to me.
Dead serious mate...no lie. | |
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mdiver said: shanti0608 said:
Let me guess..you are marrying me because you feel the pressure from society to do that like you did when you gave me an engagement ring. Naughty boy....
I love my ring btw... wanna know why? Because you put a lot of thought into it. Because we decided together what the finished product should look like. Because it was hand made by someone I have met, not manufactured and sitting in a store along with a million other ones that look exactly like it. Because it is a constant reflection of our love and commitment. Because it will be something that can be passed down and will forever be a symbol of our love. Plain and simple. Just a start to the many traditions that we will share together. [Edited 2/27/08 1:55am] You are getting married Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard! | |
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Now let me say you clearly don't understand women. For what you say is true, absolutely and there lies the problem we face. Of course it is about love, of course it is about feelings and emotions, its about ALL those things.....
.....just all those things AND diamonds. Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard! | |
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ZombieKitten said: NDRU said: I'm sure the whole idea was started by men, like a brand, perhaps to protect a woman in his absence (like a quiet threat), but mostly just to take her off the market. thanks NDRU Is that rude? But don't you think that's true?My Legacy
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Since marriage is supposed to be about "love", get your girlfriend a cubic zirconia ring instead of a diamond and save your self some cash! If she finds out that it is fake, that means she went out and got it appraised which means your marriage is about a rock and not love. If she finds out and makes a stink about it, you obviously are marrying the wrong chick who is in it for anything but love. If love were the issue, then it wouldn't matter what you gave her to signify your commitment. Your commitment is action, not an object
Good luck guys! This is exactly why marriage is not necessary....it is the committment and work...that keeps relationships together. Not a rock, or a certificate!  The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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