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Printableviolator said: meow85 said: 
If it's wrong to hit an adult, it's wrong to hit a child. Tell me this, you folk who hit their kids: Why is it that if a man hits his wife because he's displeased with her behaviour he is a heartless son of a bitch who should be strung up by his balls, but if man hits his child because he's displeased with her behaviour he's a loving, caring father? It's not proper to hit a child. I'm talking about spanking. And if you don't understand the distinction, you should look up the definitions. Bad ass kids that don't get their ass whooped grow up to be the Menendez Brothers. Keep letting the kids walk all over you.....Doesn't always mean spanking...but that time out bullshh...kumbaya, we are the world is for the birds. Tell you what, if I had kids and they REALLY crossed me? I'd make them go out and pick their switch, that's how old school i am | |
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KatSkrizzle said: JustErin said: Spanking is a rough action or treatment so it fits in nicely in that definition. Spanking causes pain...and that's the bottom line. People don't have to raise others, but people are in positions to discipline other adults all the time. Like a boss with an employee. No one gets spanked at work (unless they want to). I think it's reckless to suggest that hitting another person, causing them phsysical pain as punishment is not violent simply because it fits under the label of "discipline" or "spanking" or whatever else people who want to justify hitting their kids wanna call it. But hey, parents I'm not here to change anyone's mind on how to raise their kids. I'm just talking about how I raise mine. Wait till that second one comes. The first children are always "good" comapared to the rest of the kids; they fight for dominance, attention, place, etc. My neice and nephew are day n night when it comes to behavior. The oldest is a good kid that never needed a whole lot of guidance or discipline. But the sceond born? She will take you to that limit and I swear it takes every ounce of me to not let her catch a good whoopin. I have arrived at my sister's house with her in the garage with a bottle and she tells me "If I hear her scream one more time..." with a glazed expression. Juat saying first/only kids aren't as much grief as several. 
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Stymie said: violator said: Damn, Stymie, you're lucky to be here...  Same here, Ivy. My mom did the same thing to me and my sister. Beat us with whatever was within reach. I was so terrified of her I hid in the woods for two days when I was only 11. I never want my kids to be afraid of me that way. This child needs professional help. There is something very wrong there and beating is not going to help it. "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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noimageatall said: Stymie said: Yeah and how she left us alone for days at a time, the apartment fire when she wasn't home, lots of stuff. If anyone thinks I'm a good mom it's because I've done the exact opposite of what she did.
Same here, Ivy. My mom did the same thing to me and my sister. Beat us with whatever was within reach. I was so terrified of her I hid in the woods for two days when I was only 11. I never want my kids to be afraid of me that way. This child needs professional help. There is something very wrong there and beating is not going to help it. | |
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If anyone has noticed, its not just the mother giving in to her child for the sake of peace, and trust me I have seen many a parent give in to demands just for five minutes quiet....on the odd occasion even me 
There is also the grandmother...while the girls mother was out at the car the grandmother gave in to her. It can be hard to maintain control and rules when someone is undermining u right under ure own nose AMd the woman does not want to argue with her own mother either.....so it seems this little girl knows she is going to get her own way if she just screams for long enough.
The grandmother should be supporting her own daughter dont u think? Makes u wonder who else has been giving this little monster food when her mothers back is turned PRINCE IS WATCHING U  " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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Anxiety said: ALL I KNOW IS, i've decided that i'm using the title of this thread for the name of my autobiography.
i can't wait until november!  [Edited 2/26/08 18:28pm] | |
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KatSkrizzle said: violator said: It's not proper to hit a child. I'm talking about spanking. And if you don't understand the distinction, you should look up the definitions. Bad ass kids that don't get their ass whooped grow up to be the Menendez Brothers. Keep letting the kids walk all over you.....Doesn't always mean spanking...but that time out bullshh...kumbaya, we are the world is for the birds. Tell you what, if I had kids and they REALLY crossed me? I'd make them go out and pick their switch, that's how old school i am weren't those guys sexually abused by their parents? 
maybe not the best point of comparison. | |
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KatSkrizzle said: Bad ass kids that don't get their ass whooped grow up to be the Menendez Brothers. Keep letting the kids walk all over you.....Doesn't always mean spanking...but that time out bullshh...kumbaya, we are the world is for the birds. Tell you what, if I had kids and they REALLY crossed me? I'd make them go out and pick their switch, that's how old school i am except for maybe the menendez bros. part, i'm with you. i agree with a lot of the people on this thread who say that spanking isn't necessary and it's not the end-all/be-all of discipline, but i DO believe it is an option and i do NOT believe it's a form of abuse. i was raised by a parent who spanked me when i got out of line, and i learned fast what my boundaries were and the severity and urgency of staying within those boundaries. could that be done without spanking? oh, probably. but as an adult, i don't mind that my mother took that route. i didn't enjoy it then, but i don't look back on it as abuse. even as a kid, i loved my mom and idolized her, but i never thought of her as a peer or a "pal". she was my mom. she was an authority figure. she taught me right and wrong. and on what i think was a very healthy level, i feared my mother like i feared nobody else. not in a bad way. not because i felt threatened by her. but because she was the one person in my life who LAID DOWN THE LAW. 
i'm afraid not enough kids these days have that kind of person in their lives, and as a result of all this permissive parenting and negotiation-as-discipline, we're ending up with a whole generation of entitled little monsters who are gonna be one hell of a trainwrecky generation when they grow up. all's i know is, those damn kids better stay off my lawn because i'm not gonna miss my wheel of fortune to chase em off my property any longer - i'll call the cops! | |
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JasmineFire said: KatSkrizzle said: Bad ass kids that don't get their ass whooped grow up to be the Menendez Brothers. Keep letting the kids walk all over you.....Doesn't always mean spanking...but that time out bullshh...kumbaya, we are the world is for the birds. Tell you what, if I had kids and they REALLY crossed me? I'd make them go out and pick their switch, that's how old school i am weren't those guys sexually abused by their parents?
maybe not the best point of comparison. That was their "defense" claim. You don't have to whoop the kids, no. But I know a lot of folk that just don't hold their ground and let their little bad asses walk all over them. Just saying... | |
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What about beating your meat for a fat girl? | |
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fhqwhgads said: What about beating your meat for a fat girl?
you make a good point. usually i get really snacky right after sex, but if i really wanted to be proactive, i could start screaming for food DURING the act, so that when it was over, my partner would know full well what my post-coital expectations were and they could then pre-heat the oven or chop vegetables as necessary while i gather my thoughts and squeegee myself off from the aforementioned sordid act. the next time i am in the throes of passion, i will scream "I WANT RHUBARB COBBLER!!!" and i'll think of you, whether i want to or not.  | |
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Anxiety said: fhqwhgads said: What about beating your meat for a fat girl?
you make a good point. usually i get really snacky right after sex, but if i really wanted to be proactive, i could start screaming for food DURING the act, so that when it was over, my partner would know full well what my post-coital expectations were and they could then pre-heat the oven or chop vegetables as necessary while i gather my thoughts and squeegee myself off from the aforementioned sordid act. the next time i am in the throes of passion, i will scream "I WANT RHUBARB COBBLER!!!" and i'll think of you, whether i want to or not. 
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Anxiety said: fhqwhgads said: What about beating your meat for a fat girl?
you make a good point. usually i get really snacky right after sex, but if i really wanted to be proactive, i could start screaming for food DURING the act, so that when it was over, my partner would know full well what my post-coital expectations were and they could then pre-heat the oven or chop vegetables as necessary while i gather my thoughts and squeegee myself off from the aforementioned sordid act. the next time i am in the throes of passion, i will scream "I WANT RHUBARB COBBLER!!!" and i'll think of you, whether i want to or not. You are the supreme smart ass! AWESOME! I love it!  | |
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Anxiety said: i'm afraid not enough kids these days have that kind of person in their lives, and as a result of all this permissive parenting and negotiation-as-discipline, we're ending up with a whole generation of entitled little monsters who are gonna be one hell of a trainwrecky generation when they grow up. I deal with the results of the touchy-feely aspect of modern society every day in the military....because even though these psuedo-adults VOLUNTEERED to serve in the MILITARY, they're actually appalled that I and other people in leadership positions have the gall to tell them what to do...and I attribute it to the permissive way they were raised....just recently, a troop got into a very heated disagreement with a guy who outranked him by 3 stripes (an absolute no-no, no matter how right you may be...there are ways to deal with this tactfully)...and was so clueless that he called and asked his mom to call our unit to complain about how we were treating him....which, of course, she did....this troop is 24 years old....but there's momma just reinforcing her lessons that whatever baby wants, baby gets..... He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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Anxiety said: KatSkrizzle said: Bad ass kids that don't get their ass whooped grow up to be the Menendez Brothers. Keep letting the kids walk all over you.....Doesn't always mean spanking...but that time out bullshh...kumbaya, we are the world is for the birds. Tell you what, if I had kids and they REALLY crossed me? I'd make them go out and pick their switch, that's how old school i am except for maybe the menendez bros. part, i'm with you. i agree with a lot of the people on this thread who say that spanking isn't necessary and it's not the end-all/be-all of discipline, but i DO believe it is an option and i do NOT believe it's a form of abuse. i was raised by a parent who spanked me when i got out of line, and i learned fast what my boundaries were and the severity and urgency of staying within those boundaries. could that be done without spanking? oh, probably. but as an adult, i don't mind that my mother took that route. i didn't enjoy it then, but i don't look back on it as abuse. even as a kid, i loved my mom and idolized her, but i never thought of her as a peer or a "pal". she was my mom. she was an authority figure. she taught me right and wrong. and on what i think was a very healthy level, i feared my mother like i feared nobody else. not in a bad way. not because i felt threatened by her. but because she was the one person in my life who LAID DOWN THE LAW.
i'm afraid not enough kids these days have that kind of person in their lives, and as a result of all this permissive parenting and negotiation-as-discipline, we're ending up with a whole generation of entitled little monsters who are gonna be one hell of a trainwrecky generation when they grow up. all's i know is, those damn kids better stay off my lawn because i'm not gonna miss my wheel of fortune to chase em off my property any longer - i'll call the cops! We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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reneGade20 said: Anxiety said: i'm afraid not enough kids these days have that kind of person in their lives, and as a result of all this permissive parenting and negotiation-as-discipline, we're ending up with a whole generation of entitled little monsters who are gonna be one hell of a trainwrecky generation when they grow up. I deal with the results of the touchy-feely aspect of modern society every day in the military....because even though these psuedo-adults VOLUNTEERED to serve in the MILITARY, they're actually appalled that I and other people in leadership positions have the gall to tell them what to do...and I attribute it to the permissive way they were raised....just recently, a troop got into a very heated disagreement with a guy who outranked him by 3 stripes (an absolute no-no, no matter how right you may be...there are ways to deal with this tactfully)...and was so clueless that he called and asked his mom to call our unit to complain about how we were treating him....which, of course, she did....this troop is 24 years old....but there's momma just reinforcing her lessons that whatever baby wants, baby gets..... .....the hell?!?!?  surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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reneGade20 said: Anxiety said: i'm afraid not enough kids these days have that kind of person in their lives, and as a result of all this permissive parenting and negotiation-as-discipline, we're ending up with a whole generation of entitled little monsters who are gonna be one hell of a trainwrecky generation when they grow up. I deal with the results of the touchy-feely aspect of modern society every day in the military....because even though these psuedo-adults VOLUNTEERED to serve in the MILITARY, they're actually appalled that I and other people in leadership positions have the gall to tell them what to do...and I attribute it to the permissive way they were raised....just recently, a troop got into a very heated disagreement with a guy who outranked him by 3 stripes (an absolute no-no, no matter how right you may be...there are ways to deal with this tactfully)...and was so clueless that he called and asked his mom to call our unit to complain about how we were treating him....which, of course, she did....this troop is 24 years old....but there's momma just reinforcing her lessons that whatever baby wants, baby gets..... THAT is messed up. | |
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I have no idea why some of you seem to think that not spanking means that you are a parent that does not 'lay down the law' or is a permissive parent and not a proper authority figure.
I also have no idea what the whole 'second child is worse than the first' has to do with the discussion of spanking. What I think I am seeing is a few people being defensive because their parents spanked them and maybe they have a hard time with someone saying that they believe that hitting anyone is a form of violence. I had a father who was spanked as a child and who spanked my older brother and I when he was upset at us. Somewhere down the line he realized that the only reason he did it was because it was done to him and that it really wasn't a necessary form of punishment. My younger brothers were never spanked. There is no way in hell that you could call my father a permissive parent. He was extremely strict but he did not have to use his hand to get his point across with us. He set down firm rules but also respected us and gave us the opportunity to make some decisions on our own instead of dictating our every move. He didn't start out that way, but my mother really turned him around when it came to parenting his kids. Of course there are parents that spank their kids that in turn create problem adults just as there are parents that are so lax in parenting that they also create problem adults. All I am saying is that if a parent that spanks and a parent that doesn't spank both end up raising children that grow up to be great adults (as people in this thread who come from both styles of discipline can attest to), I don't know why anyone would choose hitting their kid over not hitting them. Cuz, again, to me...any form of hitting someone is not acceptable. That's all. | |
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JustErin said: I have no idea why some of you seem to think that not spanking means that you are a parent that does not 'lay down the law' or is a permissive parent and not a proper authority figure.
I also have no idea what the whole 'second child is worse than the first' has to do with the discussion of spanking. What I think I am seeing is a few people being defensive because their parents spanked them and maybe they have a hard time with someone saying that they believe that hitting anyone is a form of violence. I had a father who was spanked as a child and who spanked my older brother and I when he was upset at us. Somewhere down the line he realized that the only reason he did it was because it was done to him and that it really wasn't a necessary form of punishment. My younger brothers were never spanked. There is no way in hell that you could call my father a permissive parent. He was extremely strict but he did not have to use his hand to get his point across with us. He set down firm rules but also respected us and gave us the opportunity to make some decisions on our own instead of dictating our every move. He didn't start out that way, but my mother really turned him around when it came to parenting his kids. Of course there are parents that spank their kids that in turn create problem adults just as there are parents that are so lax in parenting that they also create problem adults. All I am saying is that if a parent that spanks and a parent that doesn't spank both end up raising children that grow up to be great adults (as people in this thread who come from both styles of discipline can attest to), I don't know why anyone would choose hitting their kid over not hitting them. Cuz, again, to me...any form of hitting someone is not acceptable. That's all. Go to bed. | |
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violator said: JustErin said: I have no idea why some of you seem to think that not spanking means that you are a parent that does not 'lay down the law' or is a permissive parent and not a proper authority figure.
I also have no idea what the whole 'second child is worse than the first' has to do with the discussion of spanking. What I think I am seeing is a few people being defensive because their parents spanked them and maybe they have a hard time with someone saying that they believe that hitting anyone is a form of violence. I had a father who was spanked as a child and who spanked my older brother and I when he was upset at us. Somewhere down the line he realized that the only reason he did it was because it was done to him and that it really wasn't a necessary form of punishment. My younger brothers were never spanked. There is no way in hell that you could call my father a permissive parent. He was extremely strict but he did not have to use his hand to get his point across with us. He set down firm rules but also respected us and gave us the opportunity to make some decisions on our own instead of dictating our every move. He didn't start out that way, but my mother really turned him around when it came to parenting his kids. Of course there are parents that spank their kids that in turn create problem adults just as there are parents that are so lax in parenting that they also create problem adults. All I am saying is that if a parent that spanks and a parent that doesn't spank both end up raising children that grow up to be great adults (as people in this thread who come from both styles of discipline can attest to), I don't know why anyone would choose hitting their kid over not hitting them. Cuz, again, to me...any form of hitting someone is not acceptable. That's all. Go to bed. I'm really sick too and have a high fever, but I honestly feel to sick to sleep.  | |
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JustErin said: I have no idea why some of you seem to think that not spanking means that you are a parent that does not 'lay down the law' or is a permissive parent and not a proper authority figure.
I also have no idea what the whole 'second child is worse than the first' has to do with the discussion of spanking. What I think I am seeing is a few people being defensive because their parents spanked them and maybe they have a hard time with someone saying that they believe that hitting anyone is a form of violence. I had a father who was spanked as a child and who spanked my older brother and I when he was upset at us. Somewhere down the line he realized that the only reason he did it was because it was done to him and that it really wasn't a necessary form of punishment. My younger brothers were never spanked. There is no way in hell that you could call my father a permissive parent. He was extremely strict but he did not have to use his hand to get his point across with us. He set down firm rules but also respected us and gave us the opportunity to make some decisions on our own instead of dictating our every move. He didn't start out that way, but my mother really turned him around when it came to parenting his kids. Of course there are parents that spank their kids that in turn create problem adults just as there are parents that are so lax in parenting that they also create problem adults. All I am saying is that if a parent that spanks and a parent that doesn't spank both end up raising children that grow up to be great adults (as people in this thread who come from both styles of discipline can attest to), I don't know why anyone would choose hitting their kid over not hitting them. Cuz, again, to me...any form of hitting someone is not acceptable. That's all. "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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JustErin said: violator said: Go to bed. I'm really sick too and have a high fever, but I honestly feel to sick to sleep. Okay, I won't be mean... you know I love you... | |
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violator said: JustErin said: I'm really sick too and have a high fever, but I honestly feel to sick to sleep. Okay, I won't be mean... you know I love you... I just don't know anymore. | |
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JustErin said: violator said: Okay, I won't be mean... you know I love you... I just don't know anymore. Okay, what'd I do..? Or not do...? | |
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violator said: JustErin said: I just don't know anymore. Okay, what'd I do..? Or not do...? Everything and nothing.
OK, I can't even type that with a straight face. | |
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JustErin said: violator said: Okay, what'd I do..? Or not do...? Everything and nothing.
OK, I can't even type that with a straight face. Yeah, that kinda fucked me up for a sec... I'm gonna send you a vid... | |
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violator said: JustErin said: Everything and nothing.
OK, I can't even type that with a straight face. Yeah, that kinda fucked me up for a sec... I'm gonna send you a vid... | |
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JustErin said: violator said: Yeah, that kinda fucked me up for a sec... I'm gonna send you a vid... I made one for you several weeks back when I was in the car on my way to work, but I thought it was kinda stupid. | |
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