According to sources, Brian McNamee has gauze and syringes from alleged 2000 and 2001 steroid/HGH injections he gave to Roger Clemens. There's said to be blood on the gauze, which could easily be verified with a DNA test. There's also said to be steroid residue in the syringes.

MAJOR stuff. Clemens went under oath yesterday. If this new evidence is credible, Roger could be looking at perjury and obstruction of justice charges.

According to the story, McNamee gave this stuff to hardass IRS special agent Jeff Novitsky in early January.

I wonder if Clemens understands yet the high-stakes game he's playing.

if true ... sad stuff for baseball ...

i said it before ... i was a big fan of baseball - really til they went on strike in 82 ... not for any reason other than i just lost interest ... these guys make millions for playin a game ... i dont get it !

but now this .. ugh ... makes u think there is no "real" sport out there anymore ... they are all "beefed up" druggies ... much like WRASTLIN ...

RodeoSchro said:

I wonder if people now realize how intelligent Mark McGwire was...

RodeoSchro said:

Either Clemens or McNamee committed perjury....they both testified the complete opposite under oath.

But I have a question....what the hell was McNamee keeping that stuff for??? It just throws up a red flag for me. And how admissible is that evidence anyway. It could have been easily tampered with (not defending Clemens, just questioning the validity of that particular evidence).

violator said:

You mean by keeping his mouth shut? He did testify once before Congress right?

Sowhat said:

I was thinking the same thing. I can't see that holding up in court.

Mars23 said:

Precisely by keeping his mouth shut. His reputation, like that of Bonds and Clemens may be sullied, but he'll be dealing with it from the comfort of his multi-million dollar home.

RodeoSchro said:

Clemens is the douchebag that claimed he thought a bat was the ball when he threw it at another player. He must have also thought he was playing dodgeball. I don't think he understands how to tell time, let alone the stakes involved with lying to congress. Maybe he is banking on that Bush pardon.
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Mars23 said:

Agreed. It's gonna be a tough task to get Clemens to throw his career under the bus by admitting to steroid use.

it this is true then...tacky, sad and a host of other words come to mind. That's like Monica saving the stain on the dress and not washing it. just pitiful and wtf did he save it for anyway unless he was playing on doing something like this back then.

Sowhat said:

My guess is that McNamee didn't know why he was keeping it. He had no better reason than "just in case". He was administering steroids absent a doctor's prescription, so he was breaking the law. He probably figured that if he got in trouble, Clemens could help him out. And if Clemens was hesitant, the syringes would be leverage McNamee could use to get Clemens to help him.

To me, this all goes back to one point: McNamee faces automatic jail time in a federal prison if he's found to be lying. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. I cannot fathom why he would lie.

RodeoSchro said:

People have done stupider things

RodeoSchro said:

Also, sometimes people try to act like they know more than they do, that they are more important than they really are and back themselves into a corner.

Not saying that happened here, just a possibility.











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Sowhat said:

True, but what would he have to gain by throwing Clemens in the grease?

A sports columnist here in Houston who is very connected said his information is that initially, McNamee only gave up Pettite and Knoblauch. The IRS knew or strongly suspected Clemens was in the mix, too and pressured McNamee, who reluctantly gave up Clemens.

If Clemens hadn't done anything, and the IRS had forced McNamee to lie, I would think that by now, McNamee would have cut another deal with the government and spilled the beans on Novitsky and the IRS. But he hasn't done that. Instead, he's turned up the heat on Clemens.

After Clemens sued McNamee for slander, it became war.

RodeoSchro said:

Reminds me of Vick's crew flipping on him when the heat got hot.

Hey, this is what happens when you're involved with shady people doing illegal sh!t. Eventually, it'll come back on you. Can you imagine the hit Clemens will take if this stuff is true? He'll be wearing a new number.

uPtoWnNY said:

Yeah, with a whole lot more digits.

Dude needs to shut up and shut up NOW.

RodeoSchro said:

It's a wee bit late for that now...

GOOD can't stand him and now Barry Bonds off the hook!!!

RodeoSchro said:

McNamee naming Pettite and Pettite confirming the information to be true does help McNamee's credibility.

Either McNamee or Clemens is lying and lied under Oath. If the truth does eventually come out, someones doing some jailtime!

Sowhat said:

These cats never learn. You can't lie under oath, man. Bye-bye, Hall of Fame!

uPtoWnNY said:

Evidence does point toward Clemens on this one.

And McGuire looks smarter everyday. By staying silent and NOT talking about the past, he did not perjure himself. He might have lost his chance at the hall of fame...but he ain't facing charges.

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RodeoSchro said:

Dont remind me about that! As a Met fan that shit pissed me off, especially now hearing that half of the Yankees in 2000 on that team were "roided" up, it makes me think their beating the Mets in the series is tainted. But earlier that year Clemens hit Mike Piazza in the head with a 95+mph fasball, right off the helmet, i was surprised Piazza wasnt dead, since a ball that fast to the head can kill you. and then later in the world series he throws the broken part of a BAT at Mike Piazza (though he says he didnt see him?) and doesnt even get ejected from the game???
Clemens is the douchebag that claimed he thought a bat was the ball when he threw it at another player. He must have also thought he was playing dodgeball. I don't think he understands how to tell time, let alone the stakes involved with lying to congress. Maybe he is banking on that Bush pardon.
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RodeoSchro said:

Why the hell would he still have these things? Hasn't he ever heard of blood born pathegeons?

Sounds like a blue dress with a cum stain on it to me.

magnificentsynthesizer said:

That's EXACTLY what it sounds like. And that blue dress was unable to be beaten.

magnificentsynthesizer said:

What do you expect from a drug dealer?

I love how Roger was so smug & arrogant about this whole thing. Looks like it's going to bite him right in the ass.

Sowhat said:

Yeah none of this guys are getting in whether they come clean or not, but at least save your ass from jail time. I know that this is all covered up because owners knew of this stuff at some length, but everyone just comes clean, at least keep your ass out of jail.

So the sad- irony of all of this is that, baseball loses its respect, though this is not the only sport that has issues, but baseball still is the game that was built on respect at least till the 80's. Once the salaries inflated after the early-mid 80's to where they are today. And even sadder is how guys that had good careers going like CLemens,Bonds,Palmiero, all early on had good clean records going and really probably could have acheieved at least or more than half of what they did, but they gambled, un-like Pete Rose, they gambled with themselves. Petes issues didnt taint his record or achievements, it was still honest stuff, he just had a serious gambling problem of which there is no cure.

And last but least, since no one is getting in the HOF, can we let DAVE KINGMAN in, who played from 1970-1986 and hit 440 homeruns, but batted only 238 lifetime. Let this guy in, his whole career he played on shit teams, that had no stars around him. The mets in the mid 70's and early 80's for the most, had the worst record every year. His hits were all honest, plus he hit a 630 foot homerun in 1979 at Wrigley Field, the longest homerun ever (and he wasnt roided)

Wow, Roger needs to clamp it NOW. Here's the latest:

McNamee kept the syringes, vials and gauze for just in case. He didn't want to be left hung out to dry.

He did not turn the stuff over to the Feds originally because he wanted to protect Roger as much as he could. But when Clemens broadcast their taped phone conversation on January 8th, McNamee got pissed. He felt betrayed, and he was upset that his son's condition was revealed by the playing of the phone call.

So he went to Novitsky (the IRS agent) the next day with the goods. Novitsky was hacked off that he hadn't got this at the time of McNamee's deal, but he probably realized he now had the equivalent of Monica Lewinsky's blue dress. You just KNOW the investigating committee was fed questions to ask Clemens that would put him in a perjury trap.

McNamee says the needles and stuff are from 2001. There is a Miller Lite beer can in the picture, which is where McNamee kept the stuff. It's labelling is the type used in 2001. Miller Lite uses different labelling today, so for the evidence to have been "manufactured", one would have to believe that McNamee saved an old beer can just in case.

I think Clemens is visiting Congressmen today to try and dazzle them with his star power, and hopefully avoid whatever charges he might be susceptible to. To be sure, the syringes would probably not be much (if any) good in a criminal trial - the chain of custody is severly tarnished.

But for the moment, this is a CIVIL matter. Clemens sued McNamee in civil court for defamation of character. I'm not sure if McNamee has filed a counterclaim, but you can bet he will.

My prediction right now is that Clemens will eventually shut up. McNamee will sue him for tens of millions, and Clemens will have to write a very, very big check to McNamee to settle.

Clemens' chances of getting into the Hall of Fame are 50/50, IMHO. His best bet is probably to go in through the Veterans' Committee in about 25 years. By then, all the sportswriters who will remember this stuff will be retired or dead.

McNamee's lawyer now states he believes there will be a criminal probe opened up on Clemens after Wednesday's testimony.

Clemens' lawyers are shitting bricks because IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitsky might attend Wednesday's hearing.

Henry Waxman told Clemens' lead lawyer Rusty Hardin to zip it, because Hardin's comments about Novitsky could be viewed as threats. However, Novitsky is no choir boy. He's getting in all kinds of poop over how he handled the Barry Bonds investigation. Seems court orders, subpoenas and right to a fair trial are not that high on Novitsky's Give-A-Shit list.

McNamee allegedly told Congressional investigators that not only did he inject Clemens, but he also injected Clemens' wife Debbie, who wanted some HGH before appearing in a Sports Illustrated swimsuit pictorial.

This is HARDBALL. Clemens is in WAAAAAY over his head, IMHO.

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RodeoSchro said:

I saw that cover, and that chick is f-cking RIPPED! She's 40, and has the abs of a 20 year-old model. Better body through chemistry?

Clemens and McNamee are about to testify. Not only will Novitsky be there, so will two other federal agents.

Pettite said in a new sworn affidavit that Clemens told him explicitly that he had taken HGH. When Pettite asked Clemens a couple years later how Clemens would answer questions about taking HGH, Clemens said Pettite misunderstood, and that Clemens had been talking about his wife taking the HGH.

Man, I cannot believe Rusty Hardin has let Clemens spout off all this time. Hardin is a complete dumbass.