soulpower said:

Sorry, but I don't agree with you. I had an image of what should be done to whoever is guilty, and merely typed it out. It's never gonna happen, lol...unfortunately.

No feelings either way, SoulPower.


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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

The Green Mile comes to mind...

Torture them, don't kill them...make them WISH they were dead...

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I know indeed your country has a very flawed legal system... and that includes the death penalty. but anyway, just let me explain you how the german system works (not to say its better or perfect): every criminal, even murderers, are supposed to get a second chance. thats their constitutional right. so usually a killer gets 15 years, then he has the chance to get out. if its proven he still is highly dangerous, he will die behind bars.
however, if he's not, he can start all over again. many killers commit their crimes when they are young, ignorant, a mental mess. I believe for somebody to kill a human being it takes a sick mind. sick minds can be cured. if the cure doesnt work... well then, die in jail.
however, in the US the legal system doesnt seem to work in spite of death penalty. more and more jails are being built. do you wanna just kill every body who is fucked up? thats the kinda solution the Nazis believed in.
No I think you should get to the root of the problem. dont preach such fucked up morals like "eye for an eye". dont teach kids that money is everything. dont sell guns on every corner, drugs in every neighbourhood. then you will have less problems with killers.
why is it that of all western nations america has the highest crime rates? in one month in LA alone more people get killed than in germany in the whole year.
just my 2 cents.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

ok. look, I never said that was right or wrong. I stated an opinion. What i feel about it. It has nothing to do with whats right or wrong. And as a I stated earlier, i dont feel that any human has the right to make these kinna decisions. And since I am human, it would go without saying, that i dont believe what i feel about it, is right or wrong, but merely an opinion.

violett said:

we'll agree to disagree

savoirfaire said:

No amount of science will ever "cure" murderers and rapists. The human race is so far away from learning how to care for one another, the very thought that science, and not human interaction, will remedy it is an indication of how very distant we really are.

mrchristian said:

well if we cant learn to care about each other, its no wonder we have "snipers" running around.

Is it your opinion that we should stop caring about one another??

violett said:

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I do not understand why anyone would want these monsters to sit in jail for the rest of their lives having sex, watching tv, reading, getting education, eating 3 square meals a day, doing drugs etc. People like this should die! Bottom line. You bleeding hearts that want to keep these people alive are part of the problem. If someone is 100% guilty, they should die for a horrendous crime such as this. And IMO, they should be executed quickly, not 10 years from now.

kisscamille said:

Do you seriously think prison is fun?

They may get their three square meals a day, but they don't get to choose what to eat; they may have sex, but it certainly won't be the way they prefer... they will have to watch their backs at every given moment... prison environment to me would be a living hell, much worse to live in that environment than to be executed.


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kisscamille said:

You act as if criminals who are in jail are spending their lives in 5 star hotel for fucks sake !!! Are you that naive??
Prison is no joyride.

why does everyone disect everyone's coment on the org? why dont we just make our statements without refering 2 others statements, as if what they said has no value.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

yeah but..if our legal system is so flawed...how do we know we arent killing innocent people?

some statistics point out that 15% or more of those sitting in death row did not recieve fair trials...

and dont start me on the whole race issue..but, why are there sooo many more blacks on death row than whites?

i say, instead of killing them..we put them to work..some serious ass hard labor...put them bastards back on the chain gang...and force them to listen to Kathy Lee Gifford albums while they do it..

maybe then, people would like at prison as hell..rather then the posh hotel its become...

AzureStar said:

i have to sorta disagree with this...for us, normal folks, prison is feared..

but for people like my brother (a career drug dealer), prison is a place where he has friends..where he feels a sense of community...he once wrote our grandmother, "i fear I may never stop going back to jail..its now to comfortable for me"...

I believe that some of you are naive. I do not think that life in prison is easy, nor do I think it's fun, however, I do know that many people in prison do exactly what I stated in my previous post. There are thousands of murderers, rapist, pedophiles etc that have a better life in prison than some honest people have outside of prison. I am for the death penalty and it is my right to say so. I do believe that a person must be found 100% guitly with no doubt before they are executed.

SkletonKee said:

I agree with putting them to work with some hard labor, but do you really see prison as being a posh hotel? Being raped, not knowing who is out to kill you, when they will try or how, not being able to go outside when you want, eat what you want, not being able to go to the bathroom without everyone else that is in view seeing you... I think the prison system needs a lot of work, but I really can't even begin to compare it to a hotel...

SkletonKee said:

I can see where it would feel that way to him or any others who are repeat offenders... however, for those who aren't in with the "in crowd" life would be hell. Even for those who are comfortable in prison, or beginning to feel that way, it still isn't a pleasant place to be.

By the way... I wish your brother the best at turning his life around.

kisscamille said:

Of course you have every right to state what you feel about the death penalty, just as others have the right to state their opinion without being called "bleeding hearts" and "part of the problem".

SkletonKee said:

ok,, thats the point. If they are think they cant make it in the real world, isnt that a good thing??

AzureStar said:

ive talked to people about this...i cant speak on behalf of the entire prison system but in California you have gang affiliations within the prisons that protect its members..Rape is not such a widespread problem..Most have arranged "couplings"...and the relationship is not an emotional one per se, more of ownership of property...

Yes there is violence..but for most of the men in prison, violence is a part of their every day life..in prison our out...And then there is the sense of community..At one point my brother was in jail with our uncle, two cousins and a dozen of childhood friends...to this day he feels more comfortable in prison then in the outside world...

now, im not saying that all prisoners are like this..but the repeat offenders...they look at prison as a place to get guarenteed room and board...and thats the sad truth... :

SkletonKee said:

I understand your very valid and serious points. I'm advocating the death penalty in cases where ther is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER. Like the asshole that killed Polly Klaas in NO California. He was guilty as sin so in that case there is no doubt, fry his ass!

SkletonKee said:

I too have family and know of people with this exact attitude.

AzureStar said:

thanks...sadly he just went back in a couple weeks ago...He isnt a violent offender...Has only been arrested and charged with two counts of possession of drugs with the intent to sell...yet he refuses to attend rehab programs (because he isnt a drug addict) and always ends up breaking probation and heading back to jail...

our family used to have hope that he will clean up his act...but, he realizes that selling drugs provides him more finances then any straight job...maybe one day the cycle will end...

SkletonKee said:

If I have offended anyone by calling you a bleeding heart, I do apologize, but it makes me angry that some people think that even though you do a horrendous crime, you still deserve to live. Let me tell you all a story. I have a friend who's 9 year old sister was raped, tortured, sodomized and killed many years ago. The monster was caught and did 12 years and then got out on good behaviour. He did these horrendous crimes again to another little girl who was 8 and now he is in jail for life. If we had the death penalty in Canada, this monster would've been executed the first time and the 8 year old little girl would not have had to suffer at the hands of this monster. Think about being 8 or 9 years old and being raped, tortured, made to do unspeakable acts and then killed. All motherfuckers like that should be killed instantly, no questions asked.

violett said:

thanks hun... backactcha...



and for super too I understand where your coming from..expecially in cases where guilt is 100%..however, wouldnt it be better to put these killers on display somewhere...force them to live a life bucknaked in a glass cage...where people can taunt and ridicule them...throw rocks at them if they want..sorta like a zoo for murderers...thats more of a deterent then just putting them to sleep.

SkletonKee said:

I certianly can see this as being the case for repeat offenders... and I know there is a sense of community there for many of the prisoners. I still wouldn't compare it to a posh hotel.

It is sad that many see it as quaranteed room and board. Many of these people aren't willing to turn their life around, and I am in no way suggesting that it is easy to do, and others simply KNOW that they would be repeat offenders, if given a chance again, and would rather just stay put because they feel they are beyond help. Heck, Manson even asked to stay in prison at one point, instead of being released.

I still feel execution is too quick of an out for these people.

SkletonKee said:

That's what I'm sayin! Public sniping of their balls... one at a time... What man wants to be castrated and have to live with knowing that everyone knows?

In a system of true equal justice, where the guilty were truly guilty and the innocent were truly innocent, I would say that "an eye for and eye" would be the best way. Since the world is corrupt, I do not believe in the death penalty, because the margin of error is too great. If the person admits to the crime, and is proven beyond the shadow of a doubt to be guilty, then I say let the jury decide the punishment. However, in general, I do not believe in the death penalty, because I do not condone murder in any form, unless it is in self defense to save your own life from an aggressor.