ItalianToy said:

[This message was edited Thu Oct 24 18:21:50 PDT 2002 by Aerogram]

Aerogram said:

Answer to question 1: This is very simple, The devil/demons can talk to you just like God can talk to you. Just because you feel a spirit like the Holy Spirit talking to you it does not mean it is from God. It can be an evil spirit talking 2 u trying 2 confuse u. Example: I had a cousin who died when she was in her late 20's. She had 2 sons. her sons were toddlers when she died. As soon as she died it was very painful for the family to keep pictures around the house of her so they removed them, because they removed the pictures the children forgot how their mom looked like after a couple of years. One day my aunt starting puting back the pictures of their mom up again. When the kids saw the pictures they yelled out "look it's the woman that comes and reads to me at night, and cuddles with me!!" My aunt flipped out thinking it was her daughter's spirit, but as soon as a pastor instructed the kids to rebuke her in the name of Jesus, and prayed in their home the spirit never came back. so eye ask u this... if it was my cousin y would she disapear after the kids casted off in the name of Jesus Christ? She was christian when she was alive... and why would the devil/demon show up to "read and cuddle" with the kids, that does not seem like it's a bad thing... in fact it sound wonderful!... Well... because this would make the kids believe in psychics, tarot, weegy boards, and all that is "magic"... Magic is a a very big sin. Devil likes to condition/socialize humans in believing in that type of power.


Answer to question 2: Because the devil has created a system where he confuses people by facilitating the creations of various religions that contridict themselves. EXAMPLE: The Catholic Religion. The "world" created the Catholic Religion. In the Catholic religion priests are not allowed to marry. because priests are human many of them stray and become sexually frustrated and may act on more "perverse" actions than if they were allowed to marry in the first place ex. child abuse. when they do something "unholy" others accuse "religions" of being fake. WELL, the problem with this religion it that it depicts priest/Pope as if they were above regular people, expecting them to be "pure" and "clean" and without sin... The Pope and his priests are not HOLY they are humans that POOP, EAT, ACHE just like us NEWSFLASH: the only entity that is pure and clean and without sin is GOD. The devil lets such religions reach the top of food chain, and then knock it down with it's obvious flaws... Very good way of getting atheists to remain atheists... (the devil ain't dumb ppl)

Answer 3: Well if u right and there is no God, Than the answer is YES, because if there is no God we already created the notion of a hire power! lol

SweeTea said:

xactly!

Too many questions on one thread! good ones tho. however these would take forever to answer.

RaneStarr said:

So, the Devil did it, huh? Yhis is why we atheists have such an hard time recruiting, despite all the toasters and discmen we give away. If one spiritual being can be debunked, there's always another to explain the rest. It's all beautifully self-contained and infinite loop-y.

Sometimes people ask me :do u believe in (a) God? I always tell them yes i do. Then the most difficult part comes in explaining this. I can never do this because every conversation ends in a discussion . I have only one answer to that and that is that you find God inyourself.
I was baptised and more but was never a believer. I am glad however that some religion has been taught to me. Religion is a great part of culture all over the world and by knowing about it ,it makes you see things clearer.
My God is mine alone.Other people call him Allah and other people have several Gods. I find the truth im myself &alone.

As for nature i believe in Darwin. That means the evolution theory. That's earth.
The bible is for me a cryptical book written by wise people in history about humanity & lifelessons and more.Always taken much to serious . God is about love and not war and not many people live up to that. You know who they are.

We people in the year 2002 are very smart. If you could place me in another time i would know more as for example Aristoteles ,Huygens, or Newton. We now know a lot thanks to the evolution of science and it all being shared.
Imagine 10.000 years ago people did not know as much as now (and maybe more) . All things happening in nature they could not place, as for every question without an answer they made up an answer for the unknown. Their and some still ,our Gods.

If someone dies i hope for a heaven. I wish to hope it so much that i tend to believe in it. And i am not ashamed to say i believe or love God. But remember it is mine God and not yours. We may not think alike.

sojourner said:

Nice reply.

I have a feeling that a lot of believers feel somewhat like that.

The problem is one of perception. When someone says "I believe in god" or "I have faith in god," the first thing that most people think is that they are talking about the god of the bible and christianity. Many people who profess a belief in god could not be bothered with the bible or christianity and a good number of them find the bible to be a complete work of fiction and christianity to be useless.

Thank you for answering Aerogram's wonderful question with a wonderful answer.

Aerogram said:

This question is geared more towards religious individuals rather than spiritualists, but I'll bite. Within spirituality it is generally understood that there is an underlying truth to all religions. How religions have developed over the years is another matter though, and how they became convinced (religious individuals) is through stories passed down through the generations. Generally they don't question what they are taught, but accept it for gospel. If they were to question, then they would have to look at sacred stories from other religions and defend their own, but since they accept word of mouth so to speak, they have no defense regarding these stories because their whole faith is based upon them being true. So they debunk other stories that are contradictory to their own in order to remain faithful to their religion.

Aerogram said:

Again this question is geared towards religious followers and not spiritualists. Read above answer. Again it falls back on the need to believe in order to remain faithful to what they've been taught.

Aerogram said:

And no I do not think that if what you believe is right that there is no God, that man would have come up with God. I believe that there is something inherit within people to point the way to God. If there were no God, then I do not believe there would be a need for God. Some would argue that people have felt lonely and needed to create the idea of God. But that argument holds no water. For instance, there are universal symbols within meditations that people have visualized and never knew about until after meditation. For instance, during a meditation I once saw a chalice and a sword. Later when I was talking with a friend who is deep into meditation he informed me that those were very normal to see during meditations and tend to represent change and acceptance. I had never studied what would occur during meditations or the images seen and yet I was able to see something that is common among many who meditate. It is the same within a belief in God. There is an underlying truth within these religions, and within spirituality, that though one may not study various beliefs, they can find that one truth. It is something that is born into us and keeps us searching to find it. If it were not born into us, as your question asks, then we would have no need to create it ourself.

Aerogram said:

Oh I'm sure that people would have said that it was the earth and made it a lifeforce of some kind, or perhaps they would have thought it were an alien race. There would have been many possible explanations that they would have developed, and it would not have needed to be a god.

Aerogram said:

hehehehe eye LOVE talking 2 atheists cuz eye can always challenge their ideas ;D

There's only one TRUTH, And we all know who that is, Just ask PRINCE!!!

Someone said that most who believe in God live in fear, Ibelieve those who don't believe in God live in fear. They fear of something being beyond their own intelligence, so the challenge the intelligence of others ... You complain about Christians rubbing their beliefs off on others, Well Athiest do they same thing. They want people to see why there isn' a God, int the same way Christians or any other Religious Group Want people to understand there is a God

I say this: The question of rahter you believe or not Will never get solved/ in no particule matter. It will always always be a debate. Most people who claim they do not believe in God, are for mis happenings that occured in their life time. They've been through alot of things life, so they wonder if there is a God, or if he exsist.I think atheist are more bothered by Christians or God following groups becuase of the dynamics effect is has on people. It's true that there isn't anything wrong if you believe or not believe, but I have provided information rather then just giviing accounts from my own understanding.

Men along can can not create everything that is in this life. If man created everything in this exsistence, Men would've found a way for the human body to live forever, don't ya think?

Men would've created a fountain of eternal youth, Men would've figured out how to turn back the hands of time.
But just like time, Men minds our limit. We only know what we our taught and we do not control the world or the universal at that matter.

Have you figured out how the sun rises or the moon set everday in the right time, if you so could you pleas tell me?
[This message was edited Fri Oct 25 12:34:55 PDT 2002 by DigitalLisa]

DreamLife said:

Great answers.

i believe a bleeding person needa a suture
patch him up and send him on his way

" If there were no God,
it would be necessary
to invent him" - Voltaire


So the ironary, is there is a God if u don't beleive or do, are whole system is based on biblical/islamic morality. We can't escape. Like i said before some religous books are so advanced 4 there time, dat it is not humanly rashtional, 2 make these scientific, astronomical facts, at dat time when people thought dat earth just existed and it was flat.

Sam