I heard on the news just this morning these words. Last night I watched "Apocalypes Now", which made me recall my visit to the Vietnam Memorial in Washington DC. No words can explain the sorrow those vast black monoliths caused in my heart. I touched a few names and tried to imagine the man, his likes, a normal day in his life, how many people cried for him... Now I can't get these monoliths out of my head. How many names will be created as a monument to this war. What will be our destiny?

Ah...hell!

It won't for me, but if it makes you feel any better, there will be far more Iraqi deaths than American deaths. In the Gulf War, we killed approx 150,000 Iraqis, and total American deaths: 400. Over half of these 400 were by friendly fire.
Iraq's military is about half as strong as it was 11 yrs ago.

Where did you read this quote and how recent is it?

Please provide references, as I do not believe that this was said... or at least I don't want to believe that it was said.

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[This message was edited Wed Oct 23 7:13:19 PDT 2002 by IceNine]

I've been checking too, and can't find it anywhere.

I seriously think that the title of this post should be changed if a source cannot be quoted for that statement.

The statement is put in quotation marks and attributed to the president of the United States. That is not a cool thing to do if you do not have sources.

IceNine said:

I agree with IceNine for once... I believe that this is what Bush MEANS when he talks about the war... however, is stupid, but not stupid enough to make such a statement in public...

You think I would make up some scary shit like this? I'm only telling you what I heard. I was flicking channels but I believe it was MSNBC or one of those cable news network. Important shit like this always get put on the back burner.

SweeTea said:

I would think that a statement such as this, if it was truly said by our president, would be on EVERY news site in the world.

I will not believe that he said this until I see it in print from a credible source.

This this out:

http://story.news.yahoo.c...id=540&e=2

Maybe it was sensational news reporting, but the shit is about to hit the fan.

SweeTea said:

"The issue of a new resolution has been at the United Nations since President Bush (news - web sites) addressed the General Assembly on Sept. 12 and warned that if the Security Council didn't act decisively to disarm Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), the United States would take action on its own.

One of the major problems for Russia and France has been language in the U.S. proposal that could be interpreted as triggering military action.

Last week, Washington backed down from its demand that the resolution authorize the use of "all necessary means" if Iraq failed to comply and agreed instead to let inspectors go to Iraq and report any violations or interference with inspections to the Security Council."


Bush did not make the statement that this post is titled with, so please remove the quote...

The quote was manufactured by someone and was not said by President Bush, therefore is should NEVER be put in quotes and attributed to him.

SweeTea said:

You are correct about the sensationalism, but I don't believe that there will be a war right now in Iraq. There isn't enough worldwide support for the action and it would set the United States against a lot of countries... even worse than we already are.

I just don't think that it will happen... war will also scare investors and hurt the stock market... not a good plan right now.

IceNine said:

Do you actually think Bush cares about the support of the other countries. He's going to do this thing with or without their support. Ok, maybe it was only sensational reporting once again, maybe I should not have used the quotes since I didn't actually hear him say the words myself. But don't you get the feeling that his mind is already made up? This is not news. Everyone in America has known his position on this issue for a long time. We just never thought it would come to fruitation. I still have hope and pray that it doesn't.

SweeTea said:

I think that he would LIKE to go to war... but the President of the United States has the power to declare war if he wishes... he would not need to go to the Senate or House or the United Nations...

As far as the quote goes, it would be a good idea to change the title of the thread... it is not a real quote from Bush.

IceNine said:

I agree with your evaluations Ice but lets talk about that next february. By that time the US army will be in Bagdad. If I'm wrong about that, I will apologize to you. But I am very sure I wont have to.

soulpower said:

I certainly hope that you are not right, but I cannot say that it won't happen... If Bush can get worldwide support, he will most certainly go in. If he can't get support, he will continue to do whatever he can to gain support so that he can go in without reprocussions from allies and enemies alike...

In short, Bush wants to attack Iraq desperately, but he is smart enough to know that he will make the US more hated than ever if he doesn't get the other nations behind him.

IceNine said:

I think that your train of thought would be better expressed by saying "Bush needs to get the OK from the UN security counsel" instead of saying other nations. I mean would it make any difference if Greece, Canada, Brazil, or Indiana said no the US cannot us military force against Iraq??? I feel that TeamBush is trying to gather the support of the UN Security Counsel (Britain, France, China, Russia and Indiana) and a few other strategically important countries (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Germany, and Indiana) before he decides to start military action. Furthermore you people should give TeamBush more credit then he is getting. Instead of carrying forth the banner of "a grudge match against Iraq" TeamBush is telling the world (and those sissies at the UN) that as a rogue nation, Iraq has defied the UN resolutions for too long and that if one member of the UN defies the whole (and Iraq is a member of the UN) then what is the purpose of the UN to begin with? It is a very shrewd move on the part of TeamBush;regaurdless of what the Bush-hatters insist. More importantly many UN members (including Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, France and yes those meat-headed Germans) have said that if Iraq defies the UN security counsel resolutions and does not allow unfettered access to weapons inspectors; then they would support unilateral military action. CAN I GET AN A-MEN. As someone whom has spent numerous hours studying Iraq and the Middle-East as a whole, I feel that some type of military action is inevitable; HOWEVER what type of military action is still undecided. Only a fool would guess as to what type of military action or when it might begin (that comment isn't directed towards you Icenine its directed to another poster on this thread!!!)

funkbible said:

I agree with what you said... it is a VERY good idea to get the approval of the UN on this if the US is going to pursue military action.

You are very right.

DAMN YOU ICENINE!!! / I just read this on another site and I was in the process of posting it. I thought that it might help to add to the debate.





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Pentagon eases up on preparations for troop deployments to Gulf

WASHINGTON, Oct 23 (AFP) - 23:47 GMT - Shifting gears, the Pentagon has eased up on anticipated troop deployments to the Gulf as the UN Security Council debates the terms for a resumption of arms inspections in Iraq, defense officials said Wednesday.
While units have not received formal orders to hold up deployment preparations, they are adjusting their timelines because decisions on whether to take military action appear now to be farther off than expected, said an official.

"You don't want to get people into positions over there where training is perishable too early," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Rather than focus on an imminent move, military units are being encouraged to take up the slack with more training to keep their fighting edge honed.

"What we've caused them to do is to think about staying ready a longer period of time," the official said.

Complicating the timing of the military moves is a stormy debate in the UN Security Council over the conditions under which UN arms inspectors will return to Iraq.

The 15-member council held informal consultations Wednesday on a US draft resolution that, if approved, would impose a tough new inspection regime that would take as much as two and a half months to put in place.

The White House warned that diplomats had "some amount of time left, but not a lot" to complete discussions.

A US decision to take unilateral action against Iraq could sharply accelerate military preparations, while an agreement at the United Nations on an inspection regime could put off the prospect of military action for several months.

At the same time, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein "could always shoot himself in the foot early on," the defense official said. "Some people want to look at this as a first strike and you're out."

"Planners are always looking at the what ifs," said Lieutenant Colonel David Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman. "You have to plan for all contingencies."

In the meantime, US force levels in the Gulf have remained stable despite the growing tensions. There are some 58,000 US troops in the region, including 10,000 in Afghanistan, officials said.

While troops are being held in reserve, the Pentagon continues moving equipment to the region.

In the latest shipment, US Army fuel trucks and bridging equipment were loaded Tuesday onto a US navy vessel in Charleston, South Carolina for transport to the Gulf.

Last week, the army shipped 20 AH-64 Apache helicopters along with 450-members of an aviation regiment from Germany to Kuwait, the focal point for US ground forces gathering in the region.

Equipment for at least three armored brigades are already pre-positioned in Kuwait.

Pentagon officials said plans for moving headquarters staff to the region remain on track.

They include the army's 5th Corps in Germany and the US Marine Corp's 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, which are moving headquarters staff to Kuwait, officials have said.

Although fewer than 1,000 people are involved in that move, the headquarters will lay the ground to receive a much larger combat force if Bush so decides.

The US Central Command, which is responsible for all US forces in the region, also plans to deploy a forward headquarters to an air base in Qatar in late November or early December.

That deployment is being carried out as an exercise called "Internal Look" but Pentagon officials acknowledge that it may wind up serving as Central Commands headquarters if there is a war.



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funkbible said:

Since you want to start call people foul names who gives a shit what you think asshole. I certainly do not. If you want to be THE FOOL and close your eyes and ears to what's going on around you -- hey that's your fuckin problem.

"Stupid is as stupid does" -- Forest Gump

And he was a fictational gump. You on the otherhand are a real live in the flesh GUMP LOL !

Ooooh. Im just shaking with terror before the mighty SweetPea. Don`t sic Popeye on me SweetPea!!!

"Im Popeye da sailor man
Im Popeye da sailor man;
Im strong to the finich
cause I eats my Spiniach;
Im Popeye da sailor man:
TOOT TOOT"

funkbible said:

If you believe in what you have said the US needs to invade Washington DC as well, because the Bus administration has broken more UN violations than the rest of the world in the past 20 years. So why should the US, as a UN member, be excluded from its laws?

soulpower said:

precisely!

oh, and you funkbible, you are a fine example of everything that´s rotten in the world today

soulpower said:

Probably because funkbible hasn't got a clue what international law is about. Just note that he put "Indiana" up as a memeber of the UN Security council. That would mean he is as dumb and full of shit as Bush is. Bunch of clueless warmongers.

U.S. delays war plans, downsizes Qatar exercise

http://www.worldtribune.c...ont_1.html

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Thursday, October 24, 2002
ABU DHABI — The United States has decided to delay and downsize a major military exercise in Qatar in what observers see as a slowdown in the war effort caused by the port strike and diplomatic efforts at the UN.

The postponement of the exercise comes as an intelligence alert has warned of plans to attack Western naval ships in the Persian Gulf.

Japanese naval chief Adm. Toru Ishikawa said on Tuesday that his forces deployed in the Arabian Sea have been placed on high alert in wake of an incident on late Sunday in which a high-speed boat raced toward a Greek warship. The Greek ship fired warning shots and the fast naval craft fled, Middle East Newsline reported.

Officials said U.S. Central Command has postponed the Internal Look exercise for about a month.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 24 4:01:06 PDT 2002 by Aerogram]

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precisely!

oh, and you funkbible, you are a fine example of everything that´s rotten in the world today[/quote]



Let me get this STRAIGHT . Your have the backbone to bad mouth me? Your the one with (what appears to be) 2 men kissing in your avatar??? Whats wrong with the picture I ask??? As the old saying goes: "If that isn`t the pot calling the kettle black". You might want to think next time before you open your mouth little doggie.