So, here it is... I am man enough to admit when I am a prick.

Soulpower,

I apologize for calling your conspiracy theories a bunch of rubbish and all that stuff. I don't know if you are truly as anti-American as it appears that you are in my estimation. Getting aggravated with people is not my normal tendency on here and I shouldn't have gotten aggravated with you either.

You have the right to think what you wish and we have the right to disagree with those thoughts, but I shouldn't have called your theories outright rubbish. I have gone around telling everyone how all opinions are valid and that everyone has a right to believe as they wish and then I turned around and said that your theories were stupid and lame... this was hypocritical of me and for that I apologize.

In short, I will criticize the ideas without outright dismissing them as garbage from now on.

I guess my problem with the ideas is that they struck me as extremely anti-American... this might seem strange as I am a bit of a subversive prick... I criticize our government more than the next guy and I can appreciate what you are trying to do, it just seems a bit heavy-handed to me. BUT... you have the right to say what you wish and I am cool with that.

So, post away!

Later,
Tony

Apology appreciated, thanx! Like I told you before: I am truly not Anti-American, and to be honest I was surprised that you as somebody who does not support Bush, takes it that way. I never said I believed he was behind 9/11, but those questions I really felt like asking because I simply do not believe the offcial versions.
I'm glad we can talk like human beings now. after all, we are fighting for the same goal:

This is one of the nicest threads I've read on the Org lately ... makes me proud to be an Orglander

Well done U2!

Raspberry said:

"Orglander" LOL ...Raspberry you funny!

Cool! Theres adults on the org!

LaVisHh said:

How cute...LaV...where'd you get that clapper?

OCEANA said:

Yahooo!

Bravo Ice... a round of applause!

I don't think there is anything wrong with being "anti American" - in the sense of criticising the American government, American foreign policy, and the shitty things that the USA has done from time to time. It isn't the same thing as "hating all Americans" I have plenty of friends in the States (and family too) and I certainly don't hate American people - but that doesn't mean I like your president (for example) or your nation's warmongering and bombing of innocent civilians.

The bad thing about these loopy conspiracy theories (as pointed out to me by KingSausage) is that they kinda detract from discussion of the REAL issues - the real history and reasons behind the events of September 11th and the problems historically with your foreign policy and unwillingness to work with the international community.

From what I've seen of soulpower's posts, he hasn't ever been about "hating Americans" - yet some slightly paranoid American posters on the Org took his criticism of America too personally and went on a bit of a witch-hunt. Which is a shame.

Every government in the world has an impact beyond its own regional boundaries, and it is very healthy and interesting for people to criticise the actions of each other's governments.

Anyway it was cool of you to apologise IceNine See I've been telling people you weren't a jerk, and I didn't want you making a liar outta me

Tom said:

I know! Who'dathunkit?

Mighty fine youngman you are IceNine!

Soulpower is the . I love his opinions about the government, and I share those opinions as well. SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy has similar views as well. Although, I don't put it past Bush to be behind 9/11 in some way, and I am not afraid to say that. I know how evil people can be, and I know that he is one of them, so I don't put that kind of behavior past any president.

OH MY GOD!!! Icenine what did they do to you!!! Dude did ian threaten to toss you off the org or are you trying to get into heaven???

funkbible said:

Naaah... no threats, no warnings, nothing... I was just acting WAY out of my normal character... I had to admit it and apologize to the cat...

Soulpower has consistently been one of the most intelligent posters on the .Org...I sincerely hope that any "bystanders" won't misinterpret my disagreements with some of his philosophies as flaming or actual dislike.

funkbible said:

No, but Ian did PROMISE to toss him off if he played real nice!

I'll apologize to SoulPower too, not because I said anything to him, or even get involved in his political discussions...Though I do read them...

Mainly just cuz, well, I think he's hot. I love you, man. 2the9s owes you an apology, too.

IceNine said:

rubbish is rubbish. his thoughts on a 9/11 conspiracy are rubbish. why are we suddenly supposed to pussyfoot around calling garbage garbage?

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Yeah okay. Soulpower, I'm sorry you're an idiot.

2the9s said:

That wasn't the kind I was talking about. But okay.

AaronForever said:

here here!

IceNine said:

he has a woman in his life

DORA said:

Actually, I apologized when I acted like a prick before Heather and I hooked up too...

oh well


i was wrong..

wont b the last time

It is good to see a man be a man, here here Ice!

As an American who didn't vote for Bush Jr, it is frightening for me to sit back and watch as this administration is taking FULL advantage of this tragedy to further their agenda both domestically & internationally. As I said before I only support this wacko cuz I really don't want no more of us blown up but as soon as the next election comes I will gladly cast my vote to get him the hell out of office.

The only reason I've ever gotten on Souls case is cuz he's always talkin big without documentation and if you are gonna plead your case against the evils of the country, which I love very much, you better come with something better than theories. I'll be the first to admit that the government is capable of all kinds of unthinkable acts, but even this (9/11) is just too huge for the government to risk. If it came out that Bush knew of and allowed the Twin towers to be blown up there would probably be a national riot. I simply think it's way too far fetched.

AaronForever said:

There's nothing wrong with ripping apart someone's dumb argument if it is clearly horseshit. Nothing wrong with that at all! However I think several people chose not to try and discuss / argue the points but instead focused on personal insults which did nothing to discredit the points at hand - rather it just made certain people look petty and vindictive.

TheGillman said:

All a part of the service.

I liked Soulpower when Soulpower wasn't cool.

Bravo, Icenine. I always thought the real measure of a person is how much pride they can swallow.

ian said:

yes, well some people are petty and vindictive. they can't help but look that way. i'm often one of them, and i don't mind it a bit.