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Reply #30 posted 01/14/08 10:42am

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Stymie said:

NWF said:



See that's the thing. Part of friendship (if they are, supposedly, my friend) is honesty. If they have some kind of issue with me, then they could just tell me. I don't mind criticism. It's better than being a wolf in sheep's clothing and lying to my face.
I agree wholeheartedly. Honesty is very important.


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Reply #31 posted 01/14/08 10:42am

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LleeLlee said:

How demanding was the letter? i mean, did you threaten to kill them if they didn't repsond?

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oh my god, i forgot about that falloff

too funny...
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Reply #32 posted 01/14/08 10:43am

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hey baby hug

seriously though if one usually loses a mass exodus of friends, then its their own behaviour
that might need to be taken into check

i agree its not nice being snubbed, but maybe the third parties feel they would be wasting their time explaining themselves..

or am i just a horrid friend neutral
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I'm not even talking about a mass exodus of friends, it could be just one. If the offended party asks the question, then it is not a waste of time to that person.

I don't think you're a horrible friend but if you feel like you would be wasting your time to explain, obviously that person's done something pretty bad to you.


sometimes. but i also think that it would be attributed primarily to someone who is bull headed and would refuse to see the other parties point of view. Some people can be just hard to talk to.
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Reply #33 posted 01/14/08 10:44am

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In all seriousness, the only scenario I can think of that might explain the situation you described would be if one of your friends was mad at you for whatever reason, and then started talking shit about you to your shared friends/acquaintances...at which time some of those shared friends/acquaintances started pulling away from you as well. Chances are none of them would be up front with you out of not wanting a confrontation, as well as out of thinking they knew all they needed to know to draw conclusions (almost everyone is like this)...

Then again, I only know YOUR side of the story, so I'm sticking with the breath mints lol lol...
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Reply #34 posted 01/14/08 10:45am

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NWF said:

CarrieMpls said:



It would, but often times they don't.


See that's the thing. Part of friendship (if they are, supposedly, my friend) is honesty. If they have some kind of issue with me, then they could just tell me. I don't mind criticism. It's better than being a wolf in sheep's clothing and lying to my face.


But they're not saying anything to your face. They're avoiding you altogether. That's a message in itself. Even if that message is, they're not worth your time.

I agree it's better for them to communicate with you than not and that that's what they should do, but they're not.
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Reply #35 posted 01/14/08 10:46am

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Byron said:

In all seriousness, the only scenario I can think of that might explain the situation you described would be if one of your friends was mad at you for whatever reason, and then started talking shit about you to your shared friends/acquaintances...at which time some of those shared friends/acquaintances started pulling away from you as well. Chances are none of them would be up front with you out of not wanting a confrontation, as well as out of thinking they knew all they needed to know to draw conclusions (almost everyone is like this)...

Then again, I only know YOUR side of the story, so I'm sticking with the breath mints lol lol...


that sounds right. if thats the case its too bad that some friends are sheep and follow what other friend says instead of making up their own minds.
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Reply #36 posted 01/14/08 10:48am

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heybaby said:

Stymie said:

Hello Donnie. mushy

I'm not even talking about a mass exodus of friends, it could be just one. If the offended party asks the question, then it is not a waste of time to that person.

I don't think you're a horrible friend but if you feel like you would be wasting your time to explain, obviously that person's done something pretty bad to you.


sometimes. but i also think that it would be attributed primarily to someone who is bull headed and would refuse to see the other parties point of view. Some people can be just hard to talk to.


or maybe they were never a good friend to begin with and don't care enough to take the time to work on it. shrug That sucks and definitely speaks more about them than who they are friends with, but it happens.

If someone's not willing to work on the friendship, they're probably not worth being friends with.
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Reply #37 posted 01/14/08 10:49am

heybaby

CarrieMpls said:

heybaby said:



sometimes. but i also think that it would be attributed primarily to someone who is bull headed and would refuse to see the other parties point of view. Some people can be just hard to talk to.


or maybe they were never a good friend to begin with and don't care enough to take the time to work on it. shrug That sucks and definitely speaks more about them than who they are friends with, but it happens.

If someone's not willing to work on the friendship, they're probably not worth being friends with.


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Reply #38 posted 01/14/08 10:51am

heybaby

okay this thread is makin me sad
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Reply #39 posted 01/14/08 10:51am

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maybe it's time to make some new friends...
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Reply #40 posted 01/14/08 10:52am

heybaby

It could be anything. I wouldn't worry about it. just move on. hug
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Reply #41 posted 01/14/08 10:54am

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They're dumping you. Maybe they don't have a specific reason other than they just don't want to hang out with you anymore. It happens--cut your losses and move on. shrug

My "friend" did this to me about a year ago, wouldn't return calls (which was very unlike him) nor emails. So after I found out he wasn't dead (b/c he wasn't returning calls) I let it go. He was an ass anyway. lol
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Reply #42 posted 01/14/08 11:05am

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It's happened to me also, and I happen to think I'm a very good friend. I know it's hard not to take personally, but sometimes you just have to remind yourself you've done everything you could but they didn't respond.
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Reply #43 posted 01/14/08 11:10am

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If I want to know about politician, I will subscribe to a news letter from them.
And no, I dont care about your fucking every breathing minute by minute play of your life.
Then I miss the bulletins from the people who only post them once in a while.
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Reply #44 posted 01/14/08 11:39am

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eraclito said:

LleeLlee said:

How demanding was the letter? i mean, did you threaten to kill them if they didn't repsond?

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[Edited 1/14/08 10:41am]


oh my god, i forgot about that falloff

too funny...


lol I wouldn't go that far.
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Reply #45 posted 01/14/08 11:46am

heybaby

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Stymie said:

Hello Donnie. mushy

I'm not even talking about a mass exodus of friends, it could be just one. If the offended party asks the question, then it is not a waste of time to that person.

I don't think you're a horrible friend but if you feel like you would be wasting your time to explain, obviously that person's done something pretty bad to you.


sometimes. but i also think that it would be attributed primarily to someone who is bull headed and would refuse to see the other parties point of view. Some people can be just hard to talk to.


I just want to clarify and say that I wasn't saying that you are like this NWF. I was just trying to figure out what other reasons it could be for them to be like this.
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Reply #46 posted 01/14/08 11:48am

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CarrieMpls said:

heybaby said:



sometimes. but i also think that it would be attributed primarily to someone who is bull headed and would refuse to see the other parties point of view. Some people can be just hard to talk to.


or maybe they were never a good friend to begin with and don't care enough to take the time to work on it. shrug That sucks and definitely speaks more about them than who they are friends with, but it happens.

If someone's not willing to work on the friendship, they're probably not worth being friends with.


And that's actually the conclusion that I've come to.

See, I am who I am. New Wave/Punk-funk/weirdo/whateveryouwannacallme. If they can't take me as I am, then they must not be the friends that they've made themselves out to be. A lot of them come from the urban/Hip-Hop/street style, and that may conflict with some of the things that I believe in and like. But interests and personal qualities are 2 different things.

But let me state some facts: No, there weren't thousands of them. Only about 2 or 3. And yes, they all did hang in the same circle. We all used to be in a poetry club, but then we grew up, and moved into different things. I was the only one serious about music, which is what I decided to pursue. But I guess they didn't want to hang around either because of that or their own jealousy, or whatever.

Anyways, I'm pretty much over them. But it's just that at the time of the bomb dropping I was pretty upset at how they didn't keep it real with me and just kept acting flaky.
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Reply #47 posted 01/14/08 11:55am

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CarrieMpls said:

It's happened to me also, and I happen to think I'm a very good friend. I know it's hard not to take personally, but sometimes you just have to remind yourself you've done everything you could but they didn't respond.


nod Me too - in the process right now with a few so called close friends. I know I am a good friend but people change and the waves of relationships can move us away from each other without any rhyme or reason. I am investing the time I used to spend on/with them into new and wonderful things as I hope they are as well. My life was good before them, good with them and good without them

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Reply #48 posted 01/14/08 11:55am

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heybaby said:

heybaby said:



sometimes. but i also think that it would be attributed primarily to someone who is bull headed and would refuse to see the other parties point of view. Some people can be just hard to talk to.


I just want to clarify and say that I wasn't saying that you are like this NWF. I was just trying to figure out what other reasons it could be for them to be like this.


I mean, I ain't gonna say that I'm the best thing since sliced bread. But I'm a human being and I treat people the same way I wish to be treated. With kindness, sincerity, and respect. Perhaps there was something about me like a character flaw or something I did that rubbed them the wrong way and I may never know it. But a real friend would tell me if I did wrong. They didn't. They just kinda slowly eased their way out of my network. And it isn't like I'm jealous or possessive or anything. I just want to be accepted. All my life I've had a difficult time fitting in because I'm too weird or different.


Yeah, Heybaby, you're right, this is depressing. confused
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Reply #49 posted 01/14/08 11:58am

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Reply #50 posted 01/14/08 12:19pm

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NWF said:

heybaby said:



I just want to clarify and say that I wasn't saying that you are like this NWF. I was just trying to figure out what other reasons it could be for them to be like this.


I mean, I ain't gonna say that I'm the best thing since sliced bread. But I'm a human being and I treat people the same way I wish to be treated. With kindness, sincerity, and respect. Perhaps there was something about me like a character flaw or something I did that rubbed them the wrong way and I may never know it. But a real friend would tell me if I did wrong. They didn't. They just kinda slowly eased their way out of my network. And it isn't like I'm jealous or possessive or anything. I just want to be accepted. All my life I've had a difficult time fitting in because I'm too weird or different.


Yeah, Heybaby, you're right, this is depressing. confused
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Reply #51 posted 01/14/08 12:40pm

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My first thought is this person did or has been continually doing something not appreciated by the group of friends and have been deaf to cries for change. I say this esp since it's happened by more than one person.

If I was this person, I would reach out to person number 2 and see if I could get an answer. If that didn't work, I'd reach out to those that still consider me a friend (preferably in that circle). Of course, you can always buy a 6-pack and when you actually are in fromt of person number one, directly ask them. If all of that doesn't work, they can try sending a letter of apology and asking for a discussion in the matter.

I think the person KNOWS the reason this is happening and needs to look at if these are the kinds of friends they need to hang with.

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Reply #52 posted 01/14/08 12:41pm

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LleeLlee said:

eraclito said:

correct me if i am wrong, but i see a pattern

why dont u just look outside of the box, perhaps they are not the problem..



Yeah! Perhaps it's the 6 pack of cheap beer. confused


That they drank most of!

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Reply #53 posted 01/14/08 12:44pm

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NWF said:

CarrieMpls said:



It would, but often times they don't.


See that's the thing. Part of friendship (if they are, supposedly, my friend) is honesty. If they have some kind of issue with me, then they could just tell me. I don't mind criticism. It's better than being a wolf in sheep's clothing and lying to my face.


WHo's to say that they haven't said anything. Perhaps you weren't listening. That happens too.

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Reply #54 posted 01/14/08 12:51pm

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Byron said:

In all seriousness, the only scenario I can think of that might explain the situation you described would be if one of your friends was mad at you for whatever reason, and then started talking shit about you to your shared friends/acquaintances...at which time some of those shared friends/acquaintances started pulling away from you as well. Chances are none of them would be up front with you out of not wanting a confrontation, as well as out of thinking they knew all they needed to know to draw conclusions (almost everyone is like this)...

Then again, I only know YOUR side of the story, so I'm sticking with the breath mints lol lol...


that happened to me. nod I was having a terrible time in my life, due to a hellish roomate and boss, and a friend came out to visit. She interpreted my actions completely wrong and never talked to me about it (nor did my friend of 15 years look to see if anything was wrong). Went home talked shit about me to another friend and then they mustard up all of my friends for a conference phone call "intervention" to tell me what a jerk I was (during the middle of the other crap in my life) simply because one of my friends thought it was a good idea. confused

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Reply #55 posted 01/14/08 12:56pm

Byron

superspaceboy said:

Byron said:

In all seriousness, the only scenario I can think of that might explain the situation you described would be if one of your friends was mad at you for whatever reason, and then started talking shit about you to your shared friends/acquaintances...at which time some of those shared friends/acquaintances started pulling away from you as well. Chances are none of them would be up front with you out of not wanting a confrontation, as well as out of thinking they knew all they needed to know to draw conclusions (almost everyone is like this)...

Then again, I only know YOUR side of the story, so I'm sticking with the breath mints lol lol...


that happened to me. nod I was having a terrible time in my life, due to a hellish roomate and boss, and a friend came out to visit. She interpreted my actions completely wrong and never talked to me about it (nor did my friend of 15 years look to see if anything was wrong). Went home talked shit about me to another friend and then they mustard up all of my friends for a conference phone call "intervention" to tell me what a jerk I was (during the middle of the other crap in my life) simply because one of my friends thought it was a good idea. confused

Omg lol lol...

But yeah, when we don't know what's going on, we tend to interpret each other's words and actions thru the filter of our emotions only...then run with it as fact a little too far sometimes. How did you deal with the "intervention"?? lol...(geez)
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Reply #56 posted 01/14/08 1:03pm

heybaby

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Byron said:

In all seriousness, the only scenario I can think of that might explain the situation you described would be if one of your friends was mad at you for whatever reason, and then started talking shit about you to your shared friends/acquaintances...at which time some of those shared friends/acquaintances started pulling away from you as well. Chances are none of them would be up front with you out of not wanting a confrontation, as well as out of thinking they knew all they needed to know to draw conclusions (almost everyone is like this)...

Then again, I only know YOUR side of the story, so I'm sticking with the breath mints lol lol...


that happened to me. nod I was having a terrible time in my life, due to a hellish roomate and boss, and a friend came out to visit. She interpreted my actions completely wrong and never talked to me about it (nor did my friend of 15 years look to see if anything was wrong). Went home talked shit about me to another friend and then they mustard up all of my friends for a conference phone call "intervention" to tell me what a jerk I was (during the middle of the other crap in my life) simply because one of my friends thought it was a good idea. confused


when all they had to do was ask you if you were okay confused
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Reply #57 posted 01/14/08 1:10pm

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heybaby said:

superspaceboy said:



that happened to me. nod I was having a terrible time in my life, due to a hellish roomate and boss, and a friend came out to visit. She interpreted my actions completely wrong and never talked to me about it (nor did my friend of 15 years look to see if anything was wrong). Went home talked shit about me to another friend and then they mustard up all of my friends for a conference phone call "intervention" to tell me what a jerk I was (during the middle of the other crap in my life) simply because one of my friends thought it was a good idea. confused


when all they had to do was ask you if you were okay confused

I can't make out whether or not your sig is telling someone that you love them "too", or if you're telling them you'd love for them to (fill in the blank) lol lol...
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Reply #58 posted 01/14/08 1:14pm

heybaby

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heybaby said:



when all they had to do was ask you if you were okay confused

I can't make out whether or not your sig is telling someone that you love them "too", or if you're telling them you'd love for them to (fill in the blank) lol lol...


its i love them to lol
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Reply #59 posted 01/14/08 1:18pm

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Byron said:

superspaceboy said:



that happened to me. nod I was having a terrible time in my life, due to a hellish roomate and boss, and a friend came out to visit. She interpreted my actions completely wrong and never talked to me about it (nor did my friend of 15 years look to see if anything was wrong). Went home talked shit about me to another friend and then they mustard up all of my friends for a conference phone call "intervention" to tell me what a jerk I was (during the middle of the other crap in my life) simply because one of my friends thought it was a good idea. confused

Omg lol lol...

But yeah, when we don't know what's going on, we tend to interpret each other's words and actions thru the filter of our emotions only...then run with it as fact a little too far sometimes. How did you deal with the "intervention"?? lol...(geez)


I found out about it a day in advance. They had told my partner Casey, who knew all of the crap I was going through, and made me privvy to it. I was pissed. Like "what did I ever do to so-and-so?" who I am aquaintence friends with. There were certianly people on that call who were living in glass houses, I thought. If I was really out of control, someone could have said something on other peoples behalf. I certainly don't think that my actions warrented any intervention. I know it was all well intended and all, but seriously, it started with really one person who is the closest to me out of all of the others. Instead of being mad at me, she ought to have talked to me about what was going on. I basically sat there on the phone and really didn't "give" them anything..mirrored what they said and all. I think they were miffed at what was to be an intervention turned out to be a waste of time.

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