NDRU said:

so true ...

One4All4Ever said:

thank god I'm not the only one who feels that way!!

NDRU said:

Not even in "the end"... This is something I've been thinking about for a while now. If we want to be really real, we can never be sure about anything, count on anyone but ourselves. Ultimately we (as in ourselves, alone) are all we have.

CarrieMpls said:

total truth.

You're full of baloney Phil

CarrieMpls said:

Right, that's what I meant--ultimately, or when it comes down to it, we're all alone. The stability in our lives (home, family, job, love) is pretty much an illusion, albeit a powerful one.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

What do you mean I don't want you? I already slept with you, didn't I?

ArielB said:

I'll have to agree with that.

NDRU said:

Yup.

CarrieMpls said:

the org is basically the only rock in our world!

NDRU said:

CarrieMpls said:

And a whole bunch of cats.

NDRU said:

except when it crashes

teaspoon said:

Well, that's just the icing on the cake.

But way more reliable than another person, most definitely.

CarrieMpls said:

and much more honest.

whoops.

Somebody needs a man.

Fauxie said:

shut UP!

CarrieMpls said:

CarrieMpls said:

And hey, maybe a person by themselves should be all that and a bag of chips, and the relationship should only be the meeting of two similarly secure, well-rounded individuals who, therefore don't 'need' each other as much as they just compliment each other and take the couple higher than the individuals could go alone. BUT, is that grounded in reality whatsover? I seem to find myself not being a perfect person without flaws who in fact does appreciate having someone who can help me be a better person and fill in where I'm lacking. I think it's nice that two people who love each other can get together and take different responsibilities and roles based on their skills and each make the other better.

Would I be nothing without my wife? Certainly not nothing, but I wouldn't be able to do some of the things I can now. Besides, it's just a turn of phrase so exaggeration is acceptable and common place to make the point. Make a world? Well, making a world for Mon and I would be to have a family. I think I'd certainly struggle to do that without my wife.

as a quote it's waaaay too sappy for me.

i agree with what jasminefire said, though.

evenstar said:

I just murdered Ben in cold blood.

Still, you're a tough cookie who depends on nobody!

Fauxie said:

no, it's definitely true that the little world two people make with each other can be amazing, but total codependency (going along with saying that you're nothing without the other person) isn't desirable, i don't think.

evenstar said:

Just so you understand, though. Ben's dead.

Fauxie said:

I'm not belittling what is undoubtedly the amazing connections people have. But saying there are things you can do with a partner that you can't without? I don't know. I don't get that. Does it make some things easier? Surely. But are they things you couldn't already do? Unless you're talking about combined income and resources, I don't get it.

Fauxie said:

i'm neurotic that something will happen before i fly there next week. stoppit.

CarrieMpls said:

Someone can give you the strength, courage, determination etc. to do something, or help you realise your responsibilities to do something or be somebody, be better, that you might not by yourself. Could you? Ok, perhaps. But in reality 'would you?' is the only pertinent question.

Fauxie said:

very true.

Fauxie said:

Might not a friend, a family member, etc. do the same things?
I don't imagine my strength, determination or courage changing because I have a personal cheering section of one. I can certainly see that having a lasting relationship changes things, oh yes. But not in who I am or who I am to become. That is mine alone. That's all ours alone.

Im to fuzzy too actually make since but I like this thread!