lilgish said:

CarrieLee said:

Shut it!!

gemini13 said:

No! He was being immature! Especially when you're a QB you need to show poise and represent your team the right way. Yelling into the stands is pathetic and cocky, he should know better!

On that note the Pats are going to beat SD. I'm not afraid of them, I'm afraid of the Giants though.

CarrieLee said:

I'm going to strangle you through the monitor!!!

gemini13 said:

You can't! Just like SD can't beat the Pats!

Look, everyone knows my hatred for the Colts...BUT...if they came this far then I would want them to go all the way as well. I want them to win this whole season and then I don't care if they lose every game next year (which they won't) but I wouldn't care!

Tom Brady is a magnificent player. Just give him credit already, dang.

Recognize!!!

Without these guys Tom Brady ain't Nothin! People need too Recognize!!!

Benjamin Watson #84 Kevin Faulk #33 and Randy Moss #81

july said:

Agreed, it's a team effort BUT he won 3 other superbowls without them...well Moss and Watson anyway. He's the most valuable player in the whole NFL right now.

CarrieLee said:

So they say. So they voted.

Randy Moss has been crucial.

I'm surprised no one picked him.

july said:

First of all, july, sorry for your Hawks going down. They had yet another nice if quiet season. You all need to start shopping for another back, because Shaun Alexander looks done. You should have never let Steve Hutchinson go, but that's another story for another day.

That being said . . . Tom Brady was throwing to me, you and reneGade20 before 2007 and STILL won 3 Super Bowl titles.

When Troy Brown, Deion Branch, Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney, inter alia, are your wideouts and you can win 3 Lombardis with THEM, you're special.

namepeace said:

Oh I know all that. The Seattle RB situation. And we need to rebuild our line. We did not let Hutch go. The Vikings stole him. So we took Nate from them.

Tom Brady and the 3 Super Bowls. I'm talking about the perfect season. Randy Moss has awoken from his slumber and he passed the record set by Jerry Rice a one time MVP. Tom passed Payton Manning's record too. I'm not taking nothin away from Tom Brady. I just feel he had more help this time around for the perfect season.

july said:

Of course it helped. Last game he completed 24 out of 26 passes and only one was caught by Moss. I'm not down playing Moss at all because he's the mutha effin man!!! But my Brady.....oooooh my Brady

CarrieLee said:

Yep, and with SD's major players not 100%, I feel bad for the Chargers. Tomlinson's playing, right? I know that knee is gonna give him trouble if he does. It'll shock the hell out of me if the Chargers pull it off.

StarMon said:

What's with Romo and last play bad luck. Remember last year? butterfingers We were dying laughing at that interception. Where's Moonbeam? I'm sure he's killing himself laughing at that.

CarrieLee said:

Tom is the man. Bill is his coach.

Teams have started to double team Randy Moss.

Other people get open down field. He is still having a impact.

The Patriots have had it good. They have had it even better all season.

july said:

You sure about that? Had y'all paid Hutch what he was worth, you'd still have him. And suffice it to say, I'd take Big Hutch over Nate Burleson every Sunday.



On that note, I completely agree; your last post was a little vague. But also remember Wes Welker, who might be the best No. 2/3 option in recent memory. His ability to run crisp routes, get open, and move the chains is absolutely critical. Stallworth is a nice game-breaker too and almost as fast as Moss.

namepeace said:

Seattle could have matched the offer but the wording of the Minnesota Contract made it impossible. Nate has been good at what he is good at. I'm glad we got Nate. Seahawks are looking at people to beef up the line. Dallas has the biggest line in the league. They are out. We may go after a big name lineman thru the free agent market. That is what I heard. There are many factors to make it. Just like the Patriots. Add some pieces keep some others.

july said:

What was the contractual language that sealed the deal?

They paid Nate No. 1 money, and he's a No. 2. Engram is their de facto No. 1. I'd try to go the draft route to get a quality lineman; I think Hasselbeck has about 2 good years left and the defense is maturing, which gives the Hawks time to find an instant impact OL in the draft to build depth. As I understand it, there will be several OL's in the draft.

namepeace said:

Drafted in the first round of the 2001 NFL Draft by the Seattle Seahawks, Hutchinson spent his first five seasons with that team. In March 2006, Hutchinson, a free agent, was designated as Seattle's transition player. He then signed a controversial offer sheet from the Vikings, for $49 million over seven years, believed to be the richest contract ever offered a guard. The offer sheet, though, contained a poison pill provision that would have guaranteed his entire salary if he was not the highest-paid lineman on the team.

NFL rules require that when a team uses its transition tag on a player, they must either exactly match a competing offer sheet or relinquish their rights to that player. While the tag is unlikely to be triggered during his time with the Vikings (which means he is unlikely to see the entire $49 million), the Seahawks had recently given tackle Walter Jones a contract richer than the one offered to Hutchinson. Thus, they would have triggered the "poison pill" clause immediately, and would have been forced, by NFL rules, to guarantee Hutchinson's entire salary. Since doing so would have destroyed their salary cap, they could not match the offer. Moreover, since they only used their transition tag, rather than naming Hutchinson a franchise player, they received no compensation from Minnesota for their loss. Seattle retaliated, though, by signing Minnesota wide receiver Nate Burleson to an offer sheet containing a similar ploy. These contracts prompted criticism of the legality of this maneuver, but no action has been taken to ban such clauses from contracts.

In professional sports, a poison pill is a component of a contract, which one team offers a player, that makes it difficult or impossible for another team (which has the right of first refusal) to match. While it can often refer to a salary structure or clause that would affect all teams equally, it has taken on a new specific meaning of a clause that has unbalanced impact. For example, in March 2006, the Minnesota Vikings offered Steve Hutchinson, an offensive guard with the Seattle Seahawks, a seven year, $49 million contract of which $16 million was guaranteed. This contract offer had two poison pills in it. One was the salary structure, which would require the team to pay $13 million in the first year of the contract. That salary structure would apply to both teams equally, as the Seahawks would also have to pay $13 million in the first contract year, were they to match the offer. The second was a clause that required Hutchinson to be the highest paid player on the offensive line, or else the entire contract would be guaranteed. Since the Seahawks had another offensive lineman, Walter Jones, with a higher salary and the Vikings did not, this clause would have required the Seahawks to guarantee $49 million, and it effectively eliminated the Seahawks' opportunity to match the contract offer.

In the wake of this contract offer, similar clauses have appeared in other contract offers, including a contract offered to Vikings wide receiver Nate Burleson by the Seahawks, which, with irony fully intended, was structured as a seven year, $49 million deal. The contract given to Burleson had two vengeful poison pill clauses in response to the contract offered to Hutchinson. Firstly, it stipulated that if Burleson were to play five or more games in the state of Minnesota during any single season over the life of the contract, the entire $49 million would become guaranteed. Secondly, if Burleson were to earn more per year on average than all of Minnesota's running backs combined, the $49 million would be guaranteed. Since the Vikings play half of their games at home in Minnesota, and their running backs combined earned less per year than the $7 million in Burleson's contract, Minnesota was unable to match it. The term poison pill has come to be more closely identified with the asymmetrical-impact clause.

namepeace said:

I'll let them know.

Why don't you stop worrying about my team find the Redskins a new coach.

july said:

My, aren't WE sensitive. Did I hit a nerve? Just trying to have a discussion about football and you're taking this personally.

And, I have no say in who the Redskins hire as a coach, just as you don't have any say in personnel decisions. And unlike you, I don't take any discussion or criticism of my team personally. We're just talking football here. Don't get your widdle feelings hurt, honeybaby, it's okay.

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july said:

That's understandable, thanks for posting it. But they "retaliate" by signing alesser player to a similar deal? Surely you see the gaffe there. And IIRC, Holmgren was reportedly furious with the outcome. It was difficult, but not impossible, to sign Hutchinson. Yet, that doesn't change the fact that they miss him.

Being a Redskins fan, I've seen more bad deals than I can count. This one was bad deal for Seattle.

So, are you gonna talk football or get defensive and get your widdle feelings hurt?


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namepeace said:

you, you got Randle El!

attention Seattle Seahawk fans....your season is over. clean out your lockers please and leave your playbook on the coaches desk. Thank you.

Just Seattle!? I think that goes for the Colts and Dallas too! And the Giants next week.