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Thread started 12/28/07 3:41pm

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Why is it that Asian kids are so much smarter than American and other nationalities kids?

Asian-Americans are generally stereotyped as successful, law-abiding, and high-achieving minorities. The success of many Asian-American students has created a new "model minority" stereotype. They have been described in popular and professional literature as "whiz kids," and as "problem free." Some claim that Asians are smarter than other groups.

Do you believe this to be true?

I think its true but i don't know why?

any ideas?
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Reply #1 posted 12/28/07 3:46pm

NDRU

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I vote for Imago!
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Reply #2 posted 12/28/07 3:51pm

Rhondab

I recall speaking with an asian woman from China. She stated that its about the culture of education. Its valued more, more time is put into studying, etc.



Remember Oprah had the same beef about American children as well. That's why her school is in South Africa.
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Reply #3 posted 12/28/07 3:54pm

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Rhondab said:

I recall speaking with an asian woman from China. She stated that its about the culture of education. Its valued more, more time is put into studying, etc.



Remember Oprah had the same beef about American children as well. That's why her school is in South Africa.

so we need to adopt their culture then? right
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Reply #4 posted 12/28/07 4:01pm

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IMO - Once again IMO - In asian countries, there is still value in education, there is still value in traditional values, there is still value in respect, there is still value in morales, etc. That's not to say that corrupt things do not happen elsewhere, and that's not to say that "good things" don't happen here in America, it's just that IMO America does not value these ideals as much as Asian countries do.
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Reply #5 posted 12/28/07 4:05pm

One4All4Ever

and all that while they only see half of what we see ...

all joking aside, I think all of the above is true.
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Reply #6 posted 12/28/07 4:06pm

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Reply #7 posted 12/28/07 4:07pm

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2the9s said:



lol
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Reply #8 posted 12/28/07 4:07pm

ThreadBare

First off, it's a stereotype.

Second, different demographics are saddled with different types of baggage and stereotypes ... some positive, some negative.

That said, you reap what you sow. American government and society has a tendency to invest in sectors other than education. We invest in prisons, Wii systems, McDonald's and Paris Hilton. Other societies -- not just Asian ones -- put a much stronger focus on education, which is why American kids trail so many other countries' students.
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Reply #9 posted 12/28/07 4:10pm

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They're not smarter (I don't believe any group is smarter than any other group), but culturally they value hard work and they support each other, leading to success.

But "problem free?" Not by a long shot!
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Reply #10 posted 12/28/07 4:10pm

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ThreadBare said:

First off, it's a stereotype.

Second, different demographics are saddled with different types of baggage and stereotypes ... some positive, some negative.

That said, you reap what you sow. American government and society has a tendency to invest in sectors other than education. We invest in prisons, Wii systems, McDonald's and Paris Hilton. Other societies -- not just Asian ones -- put a much stronger focus on education, which is why American kids trail so many other countries' students.

ive never met a failing asian student
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Reply #11 posted 12/28/07 4:10pm

2the9s

ThreadBare said:

First off, it's a stereotype.



Non-asian-alert! cop
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Reply #12 posted 12/28/07 4:11pm

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NDRU said:

They're not smarter (I don't believe any group is smarter than any other group), but culturally they value hard work and they support each other, leading to success.

But "problem free?" Not by a long shot!

which makes them smarter...duh lol
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Reply #13 posted 12/28/07 4:12pm

One4All4Ever

mirrorbestfriend said:

ThreadBare said:

First off, it's a stereotype.

Second, different demographics are saddled with different types of baggage and stereotypes ... some positive, some negative.

That said, you reap what you sow. American government and society has a tendency to invest in sectors other than education. We invest in prisons, Wii systems, McDonald's and Paris Hilton. Other societies -- not just Asian ones -- put a much stronger focus on education, which is why American kids trail so many other countries' students.

ive never met a failing asian student


that's cuz they are deported to the laogai nod
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Reply #14 posted 12/28/07 4:12pm

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mirrorbestfriend said:

ThreadBare said:

First off, it's a stereotype.

Second, different demographics are saddled with different types of baggage and stereotypes ... some positive, some negative.

That said, you reap what you sow. American government and society has a tendency to invest in sectors other than education. We invest in prisons, Wii systems, McDonald's and Paris Hilton. Other societies -- not just Asian ones -- put a much stronger focus on education, which is why American kids trail so many other countries' students.

ive never met a failing asian student


Most people fail because they don't see the value of studying.
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Reply #15 posted 12/28/07 4:14pm

NDRU

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mirrorbestfriend said:

NDRU said:

They're not smarter (I don't believe any group is smarter than any other group), but culturally they value hard work and they support each other, leading to success.

But "problem free?" Not by a long shot!

which makes them smarter...duh lol


Intelligence is measured in lots of different ways. I've known very smart people who never went to college & had bad jobs.
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Reply #16 posted 12/28/07 4:14pm

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NDRU said:

mirrorbestfriend said:


ive never met a failing asian student


Most people fail because they don't see the value of studying.

translation...THEY NOT THAT SMART!
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Reply #17 posted 12/28/07 4:15pm

NDRU

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mirrorbestfriend said:

NDRU said:



Most people fail because they don't see the value of studying.

translation...THEY NOT THAT SMART!


And I've known idiots who got straight A's
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Reply #18 posted 12/28/07 4:16pm

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NDRU said:

mirrorbestfriend said:


translation...THEY NOT THAT SMART!


And I've known idiots who got straight A's


NOT POSSIBLE
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Reply #19 posted 12/28/07 4:19pm

NDRU

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mirrorbestfriend said:

NDRU said:



And I've known idiots who got straight A's


NOT POSSIBLE


Even rats can learn to follow directions.
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Reply #20 posted 12/28/07 4:19pm

Teacher

Somebody ban this zipped already rolleyes
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Reply #21 posted 12/28/07 4:25pm

ThreadBare

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ThreadBare said:

First off, it's a stereotype.



Non-asian-alert! cop


brick Get outta my family tree.
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Reply #22 posted 12/28/07 4:27pm

ThreadBare

mirrorbestfriend said:

ThreadBare said:

First off, it's a stereotype.

Second, different demographics are saddled with different types of baggage and stereotypes ... some positive, some negative.

That said, you reap what you sow. American government and society has a tendency to invest in sectors other than education. We invest in prisons, Wii systems, McDonald's and Paris Hilton. Other societies -- not just Asian ones -- put a much stronger focus on education, which is why American kids trail so many other countries' students.

ive never met a failing asian student


You'd be surprised how stupid everyone can be.
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Reply #23 posted 12/28/07 4:53pm

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mirrorbestfriend said:

NDRU said:



And I've known idiots who got straight A's


NOT POSSIBLE


If it's possible for GW Bush to graduate from Harvard AND become President anything is possible. sigh
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Reply #24 posted 12/28/07 4:57pm

coolcat

Yet students all over the world try to get into American universities...
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Reply #25 posted 12/28/07 5:04pm

coolcat

ThreadBare said:


Other societies -- not just Asian ones -- put a much stronger focus on education, which is why American kids trail so many other countries' students.


I don't think that's true... perhaps for pre-university education... in the USA there are so many good universities... almost everyone has a chance for a good education... Even if you can't get into universitiy, there are great community colleges... so many options....

In countries like India and Japan... there just aren't enough universities... only the cream of the crop have a chance to go to univeristy even though many others have the capability...

Lack of schools => More pressure... Everyone studies harder because getting into university is harder... only the best get in. But that isn't because the country values education... almost seems like the opposite to me...

Personally I feel that the attitude in the east is... let's get the cream of the crop a good education and screw the rest... in the west it's let's get everyone to get a good education.
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Reply #26 posted 12/28/07 5:07pm

DanceWme

I cheated off of an asian kid during my government regents...I fuckin failed mad
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Reply #27 posted 12/28/07 5:09pm

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mirrorbestfriend said:

Asian-Americans are generally stereotyped as successful, law-abiding, and high-achieving minorities. The success of many Asian-American students has created a new "model minority" stereotype. They have been described in popular and professional literature as "whiz kids," and as "problem free." Some claim that Asians are smarter than other groups.

Do you believe this to be true?

I think its true but i don't know why?

any ideas?


Because it is harder to get into university in Asian countries... students need to work much harder because the spots are fewer... that value-system/culture is passed on to children...
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Reply #28 posted 12/28/07 5:10pm

One4All4Ever

DanceWme said:

I cheated off of an asian kid during my government regents...I fuckin failed mad


he/she was probably adopted.
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Reply #29 posted 12/28/07 5:10pm

DanceWme

One4All4Ever said:

DanceWme said:

I cheated off of an asian kid during my government regents...I fuckin failed mad


he/she was probably adopted.

lol
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