Since some of you fellow orgers (it seems like its always the same people) were declaring my last thread on 9/11, which provided various material that Bush was informed, into non-valid ("period." - TheMax) without being able to debate the information I have posted, I now have some questions for you. If you think a conspiracy can be fully excluded, then you will easily be able to answer at least half of those questions so the rest of us will understand what truly happened on 9/11 (and there is more and more people who are doubting the official version which you wanna believe so much).

1. Is it really a coincidence that the headquarters of the
9/11 terrorists was Florida, the center of hidden CIA
activity since the 1950s (from "Bay of the pigs"to "Iran- Contra-Affair")?

2. Why did President Bush jr order to halt the investigations on the Bin Laden clan in January 2001?

3. Where did Navy-agent Delmart Vreeland get his information on possible terror attacks on the Pentagon and New York?

4. Is is true, that Vreeland has informed Canadian authorities already in May 2001 about details?

5. Why was the information provided by the FBI office Phoenix, Az from Juli 2001 disregarded?

6. Who decided to not take any consequences out of that report?

7. Why didnt the CIA react to the precise warnings issued by the israelian secret service Mossad?

8. What information did President Bush really get in the CIA briefing on August 6th 2001 about the threat of Al Quaida members hijacking planes?

9. Why did the CIA not react to the warnings of August Hanning, head of the german secret servive BND, who knew that "terrorists from the middle east planned to hijack planes"?

10. What was the purpose of the meeting between Christina Rocca of the state department of foreign affairs and Taliban-embassador Salam Zaeef in August 2001?

11. Who decided to stop the investigations by CIA-special agent John O'Neill on Al Quaida cells in Saudi Arabia (he still is upset about that)?

12. Which diplomatic decisions were responsible that O'Neill, Americas most successful terrorist hunter, would be put out of power?

13. Who decided to offer O'Neill the job as the security advisor for the World Trade Center?

14. Which investor bought put-options on America Airlines over the Alex Brown Bank before the attacks?

15. What was the purpose of the arrival of the two US battleship formations in the persian gulf right before September 11th?

16. What was the purpose of operation "Swift Ford" in the persian gulf right before September 11th - the largest british troops movement (23 000) since the Falkland war?

17. The "London Times" reports, that Salman Rushdie has been warned to fly to the US on September 3rd. Who issued that warning?

18. Why did the Mossad warn Ariel Sharon to fly to New York on September 11th (he wanted to hold a speach in fron of the United Nations security council)?

19. Who has warned San Franciso's Mayor Brown to be careful traveling in the night of September 10th? (source: The San Francisco Chronicle)

20. Why have the travel plans of a group of high Pentagon officials for the morning of September 11th been suddenly cancelled for "security reasons"? (Source: Newsweek of September 24th)

21. Why was the public not informed about those actions?

22. What was the reason of the visit of ISI-Head Ahmed in Washington DC on September 11th?

23. Why was a security meeting of the WTC-management originally scheduled for September 11th cancelled one day prior to the attacks?

24. When was Bush truly informed about the hit of the first plane into the WTC?

25. Why did he later claim to have watched the first hit live on TV when it was never broadcasted live?

26. Why did Bush, being informed about the second hit in a Florida classroom, remain calm instead of meeting with his security advisers right away?

27. Why did Bush and his staff at the time not know what was already known to FAA and NORAD: that the planes have been hijacked?

28. Why was the NYFD from the very beginning aware that the crashes were the results of terrorist actions, while the President still acted like it was just an accident?

29. Can Nicholas Scopetta, head of the NYFD, explain why there were no people in the subway underneath the WTC?

30. What is true about various media reports which claim that the hijackers have also bought return tickets for the days after September 11th?

31. Why did the hijackers demand from the passengers to call their relatives?

32. Why was not a single "innocent" moslem aboard the hijacked planes?

33. Why did Atta leave his bag at the airport and didnt take it with him on the plane?

34. Why did Atta put a uniform, a testament and a video on how to fly planes in his bag, if he knew he was on a suicide mission?

35. Why did Atta leave his driving license in the rental car?

36. Who called the White House at 9.30 on September 11th to warn about a possible attack?

37. After this call, why was their no airspace surveillance at the White House?

38. Who gave orders to evacuate the White House at 9.45?

39. Where was Donald Rumsfeld until he appeared at the Pentagon at 3.30 pm?

40. How can the strange route of Flight 93 be explained before it crashed in Pennsylvania?

41. Many people still dont believe that Flight 93 was shot down. But can those people explain why parts of that plane were spread over a space of miles?

42. Can James Roche, secretary of the Air Force, explain why air controllers insist in an article of the "Nashua Telegraph" a F-16 has been following Flight 93 in very close distance?

43. How could Rumsfeld have possibly known at 5.30 pm that the orginal targets of Flight 93 was the White House?

44. Andrews Air Force base was 13 miles far from the site. James Roche had over one hour and 15 minutes to react to the plane aiming at the pentagon. What happened in that time?

45. Why wasnt the Pentagon-Plane stopped by a Jet of Andrews Air Force Base?

46. Why did Bush say a week later, he had tried to shoot down that plane?

47. How could the identities of the terrorists been clear after only one day, if the CIA had no information as they claim?

48. How did they find their cars so quickly?

49. Where did the photographs of the 19 hijackers come from?

50. Why did they not find most of the "Black Boxes"?

51. Why was the information of the Black Boxes they did find never publihsed?

52. Why does the FBI refuse to publish the protocolls of the radio conversations?

53. Why do no pictures exist which show wreckage of a plane at the Pentagon crash site?

54. Why did George Bush disolve the Osama bin Laden task force in spring 2002 if bin Laden was still not found?

55. Why has none of those questions above ever been asked in a special committee investigating the events of 9/11?

So tell me... all coincidence? or conspiracy?

Calling agent Fox Mulder...

54. Why did George Bush disolve the Osama bin Laden task force in spring 2002 if bin Laden was still not found?

Because junior is a liar and an irresponsible thief

u have some good points soul power. but i doubt if 9-11 could have been avoided. 4 one a plane has never been hijacked 2 b used as bomb. most of the times they are hijacked and taken 2 another country where the hijackers demand some prisoners b set free or other things. even the passengers had know idea they were going 2 b used as bomb material and they were on the plane. i doubt if that shit could happen now because brothers like me and many other go b kicking some ass up in there knowing we may b used as bombs. thats why the last plane never hit a bulding th passengers were informed that other planes were crashing buildings. same reason reed could not set off his bomb passengers aint hearing that shit. im sure if bush knew or had any inclination wtc was going 2 b hit he would have stooped it. but some of your points are valid. maybe we just did'nt take the warnings 2 heart because we had never been hit on our siol b4. but all the warnings are taken 2 b the real deal now. boy do we need some love in this world its going 2 the dogs.

The same kinds of questions could be asked about every act that has ever happened in the history of world politics.

Conspiracy theories are pretty easy to hatch.

Care to back up any of your statements with sources? You have a consistent anti American agenda and I'll never trust most anything you say without some kind of back up.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

This guy could annoy the most die-hard Bush hater.

IceNine said:

However...there are a lot of valid questions in this list.

Question #56: Is the $200 million dollars of gold and silver bullion found under the WTC a coincidence or a motive?

Question #57: The government gets a ton of information about general threats and activities daily... should they run down every single possible piece of information that they get, even though 85% of it is false or inaccurate?

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[This message was edited Thu Oct 17 11:20:22 PDT 2002 by IceNine]

soulpower said:

an i thought you were just a punk...
you do pose good questions though.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm just anti-bullshit. not anti-american. your problem is that you see criticizm aimed at your government at criticizm aimed at your people. thats not the case.
btw, what do I have to "back up" here? I am asking questions. I would like to get some answers. thats all.

IceNine said:

actually Mulder is a pretty interesting character. because he trying to bring some light into conspiracies, but the organisation he was working for was part of those same conspiracies. I was never too much into the X-files though. I dont dig fiction too much.

IceNine said:

I agree with you. Conspiracy is everwhere, always has been. thats not paranoia, its reality. we could talk about the conspiracy about the nazi-regime. or many other issues. but first of all, since you think my theories are pretty easy to hatch, then please ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, dude! you are always talking a lot, but rarely refering to the content of my topics.

You ask some good questions. Taken together like that, it does spell out that things were not handled properly. But you are taking incidents that have occured over a period of several years. If each incident is viewed individually it doesn't spell out conspiracy theory, only bad decision making. In hindsight it is easy to say that A led to B led to C and so on and so forth. But I doubt very much that anyone was looking at these incidents as being related to each other. There are those that can look over a period of years and guestimate what the trend is going to be, but I doubt if even that was being done in each of these incidents. No one is claiming that the American govt. is perfect, it is far from perfect. But it is not as bad as the conspiracy theorists want to make it out as being. I don't condone everything that our govt. does, and there are things that I do not like that it does, and the only way to change that is by voting wisely and making your voice heard. (Not meaning you per se, just speaking in general.)

Also, as far as stating that Bush knew what was going to happen, perhaps there was some warning, but you have to keep in mind that the American mentality has been in the past that of "It can't and won't happen here." Or "No one would EVER do that on our own land." We've lived basically innocent lives, never believing for one moment that terrorism could/would happen to us. We've had a very real and a very powerful awakening since Sept. 11th. We do know now that we can be attacked on our own turf. And because we lived innocently for all these years doesn't mean we are beastly people, it just means that we were a very unaware people.

You can continue looking for a conspiracy, and you may find one, but just because you think you have found a conspiracy, doesn't actually mean it exists. Sometimes an apple actually is an apple.

soulpower said:

"For all you who refuse to BELIEVE in conspiracy" and then you launch into a list of questions that are supposed to back up your belief in conspiracy. The title of your post may lead some to believe you are listing facts and I'm just saying to back up your beliefs about conspiracy by providing facts to back you up, not just more assumptions and theories.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 17 13:01:50 PDT 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]

DreamLife said:

Correct me if I'm wrong Soulpower but I believe you stated in a prior thread that you were in Afghanistan when a US bomb killed some people at a wedding. The way your post read it sounded like you were saying you were actually THERE to witness this accidental bombing. I just find it highly coincidental that you hold such a staunch anti-American stance and that you just happened to be there to witness American agression against "innocent" Afghan civilians. This is why I don't believe most anything you have to say without some back up.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

with that title I mean conspiracy in general. as I have pointed out before, its pretty much everywhere. I never said it was a US invention to me it just means to always ask for motives, reason, backgrounds. I dont accept things if they dont make sense, so I take the next step and ask questions. thats all I did here. I am asking you, who does not believe 9/11 is a set-up, if you then have answers for my questions. I will never try to force you to believe my ideas on this. but if you are so certain things are the way you see them, I'm sure you can help me out with at least 30 answers here.

Everything is a conspiracy, theres no such thing as a tragedy or an accident or a basic act of terrorism.

Go play OK Computer and get some sleep...

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

sorry if it didnt come out clear enough for you: I got there right after it happened (next day) so did about 30 other journalists. if you dont believe me, fine... I'm not forcing you. the people on the org who know me in private know I am not bullshittin...
And its not as you say: that I "hold such a staunch anti-American stance and that I just happened to be there to witness American agression against "innocent" Afghan civilians". Again, I am NOT anti-american. You have adapted your presidents opinion: if you are not pro-america, you are anti-america. thats pure bullshit and you believe him without asking for sources... and Bush has a less credible bio than me.
no what happened is that this is an unjustified war, so of course I write about these things when I am being send there. and dont worry, I will NOT go to Iraq to report, Afghanistan scared the shit outta me and it shall be my last time "at the source".
I'll email you my articles in BILD if you want, but please dont expect me to translate them...

soulpower said:

For the record I don't trust the government at all. I know there is so much shady shit goin down behind the scenes but it would be pretty far fetched that the government knew exactly HOW, WHAT, WHEN & WHERE 9/11 was going to happen. The consequences of allowing something that heinous to go down for political gain would be staggering. I don't believe that this administration, as beligerent as they have acted, would have the balls to take it that far.

Interesting reading – but no comment SOULPOWER

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SOULPOWER
sorry if it didnt come out clear enough for you: I got there right after it happened (next day) so did about 30 other journalists. if you dont believe me, fine...
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SUPA
When I read your original post, it sounded like you were saying that you were there WHEN it initially happened. It seemed as if you were characterizing it as a deliberate attack and since you weren't there when it happened, unless you spoke with the pilot who dropped the bomb, you are assuming that our forces weren't fired upon and that they dropped a bomb without provocation.
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SOULPOWER
And its not as you say: that I "hold such a staunch anti-American stance and that I just happened to be there to witness American agression against "innocent" Afghan civilians". Again, I am NOT anti-american. You have adapted your presidents opinion: if you are not pro-america, you are anti-america. thats pure bullshit and you believe him without asking for sources... and Bush has a less credible bio than me.
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SUPA
For the record, I hate that Bush stole our election. I hate that he is the president. I didn't vote for him and won't when he's up for re-election. I agree with about 1% of his agenda so just know that I have not adapted any type of Bush mentallity.
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SOULPOWER
no what happened is that this is an unjustified war, so of course I write about these things when I am being send there. and dont worry, I will NOT go to Iraq to report, Afghanistan scared the shit outta me and it shall be my last time "at the source".
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SUPA
Are you kidding with this? Unjustified? I'm sorry but terrorists had training camps in Afghanistan. When we asked the government to turn them over, they accepted the consequences of siding with maniacs. IT IS TERRORISTS who carried out 9/11. What is unjust about us attacking the very home of the people who attacked us FIRST?
[This message was edited Thu Oct 17 13:17:43 PDT 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]

IceNine said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

AGREE 100% !

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

AGREE AGAIN 100% !

Soulpower: I do think there are some validity to the questions you've raised, I'm afraid, however, that we won't know the answers.

And if anyone here thinks America is the omnipotent super-power... brace yourself for the future.

All is never what it seems.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

BULLS-EYE! Agree 100% !