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Reply #60 posted 12/19/07 1:23pm

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Any chance she did it to deflect negative attention from her sister?
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Reply #61 posted 12/19/07 1:31pm

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Again, condoms break. They're not 100% safe.


I understand that. But still, there are other precautions she could have taken if she was going to be having sex in the first place.


I'd like to believe that too. But sadly, I've been noticing that unprotected sex in the hetero community has been on the upswing in the last few years in the US. I can't tell you how many adults I know (over aged 30) are engaging in bareback sex in the heat of the moment (or otherise), then they have the nerve to get paranoid over baby scares or worse. I recently had a very heated discussion with a childhood buddy of mine who does it all the time. I told her she needs to cut that OUT because eventually she's going to get some shit that no pill or hospital can get rid of,and posibly die. And it's not as if these are people who don't know about the possible consequences of unprotected sex; we're talking about male and female educated career professionals that fall into the trap "Oh I had one too many", or "but I LUUUV him" (even though they just met the dude) or the completely trifling "but I want to feel the inside of her" routine. It's completely messed up,but it's almost as if the tide has completely turned from what we know to be true, and we've completely forgotten the lessons that AIDS has taught us
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Reply #62 posted 12/19/07 1:33pm

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Well said Otten.
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Reply #63 posted 12/19/07 1:41pm

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liberation said:

Well said Otten.


Indeed, even though birth control isn't 100%, more often people just don't use it, or they don't use it correctly.
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Reply #64 posted 12/19/07 1:47pm

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normally, I'd giggle and laugh with that statement but she wasn't on anybodys white trash radar 'til this happened...and like I said earlier, if her sister wasn't fucking up so bad, it wouldn't even be an issue....I'm gonna save my judgement for later on when she proves what kinda mother shes gonna be...

she coulda easily just had an abortion and none of this would have ever come to light...I'm not saying she made a brave decision but she took a step towards responsibility by choosing to have the baby...

yes, she made a mistake but alot of teenagers make this very mistake....regardless of where they've come from...




I agree.

Young girls from all walks of life make this type of decisions DAILY.

Her "trailer park" status really has nothing to do with it.

I recall talking with a doc one day about teen pregnancy in various communities. He said he worked at but an urban clinic and at hospital in the rich section of town. He said...the only different between the two were the abortion clinic and the reporting requirements. eek he said at the urban clinics the girls tended to keep the babies AND because the clinic was federally funded, you had to report everything. Private physicans don't have the same reporting requirements.

I was like ....WOWWWWW.


But we still Diddy having babies all over the nation. Athletes with 6-7 kids all over the place. There are adults who don't use birth control properly.
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That's so true. What is wrong with these adults? As worldly as they are one would think that they know better. It's not as if they're naive an inexperienced. You know recently, when the whole Diddy/Porter break-up was news, I was wondering -how a grown ass man was not protecting himself, not only knowing the std factors involved, but also knowing how much he would have to sacrifice personally and financially having a baby outside of his primary relationship? confuse disbelief. That just doesn't make any sense. This is going to sound coarse,I know, but if I was a man in Diddy's situation, not only would I be paranoid about catching something with all of the women willing to throw panties at me, but every time I would go to enter a woman unprotected, I would probably feel dollar amounts about to make my head explode, thinking about how much money I would eventually have to shell out over YEARS for TEN SECONDS of pleasure....

Nope. I'd haveta pass on all that barebackin' shake
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Reply #65 posted 12/19/07 1:48pm

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Ottensen said:
LadyLuvSexxy said:
TonyVanDam said:

Again, condoms break. They're not 100% safe.


I understand that. But still, there are other precautions she could have taken if she was going to be having sex in the first place.


I'd like to believe that too. But sadly, I've been noticing that unprotected sex in the hetero community has been on the upswing in the last few years in the US. I can't tell you how many adults I know (over aged 30) are engaging in bareback sex in the heat of the moment (or otherise), then they have the nerve to get paranoid over baby scares or worse. I recently had a very heated discussion with a childhood buddy of mine who does it all the time. I told her she needs to cut that OUT because eventually she's going to get some shit that no pill or hospital can get rid of,and posibly die. And it's not as if these are people who don't know about the possible consequences of unprotected sex; we're talking about male and female educated career professionals that fall into the trap "Oh I had one too many", or "but I LUUUV him" (even though they just met the dude) or the completely trifling "but I want to feel the inside of her" routine. It's completely messed up,but it's almost as if the tide has completely turned from what we know to be true, and we've completely forgotten the lessons that AIDS has taught us
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I think that part of the problem is the advances in birth control and STD prevention themselves that have created a false sense of security among young people having sex. You have implants and patches these days which are used for birth control as well as pills, and in the event that a woman gets drunk at the bar or some college frat party and and has a wild night of dirty monkey sex with some dude that she otherwise wouldn't even be seen with in the light of day had she not been drunk, she can always run to the pharmacy and pick up the morning-after pill. And as far as AIDS is concerned, now that those who have decent health insurance or can afford the drug cocktails can take those drugs, it's been perceived as a chronic disease like diabetes that can be managed and not the automatic death sentence that it used to be in the 1980's and early 1990's. Ever since they came up with the drug cocktails for AIDS, the biggest group of people contracting the disease went from gay people to IV drug users and poor people, particularly in underdeveloped countries.

At lease Jamie Lynn has the financial means to support having her child. I just hope that she has a strong family support system to help her out. Unfortunately, a lot of young teen girls actually want to have children because they feel that the child will love them unconditionally, yet they are totally oblivious to the massive amount of time, money and energy spent to raise a child.

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Reply #66 posted 12/19/07 2:06pm

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728huey said:

Ottensen said:
LadyLuvSexxy said:

I'd like to believe that too. But sadly, I've been noticing that unprotected sex in the hetero community has been on the upswing in the last few years in the US. I can't tell you how many adults I know (over aged 30) are engaging in bareback sex in the heat of the moment (or otherise), then they have the nerve to get paranoid over baby scares or worse. I recently had a very heated discussion with a childhood buddy of mine who does it all the time. I told her she needs to cut that OUT because eventually she's going to get some shit that no pill or hospital can get rid of,and posibly die. And it's not as if these are people who don't know about the possible consequences of unprotected sex; we're talking about male and female educated career professionals that fall into the trap "Oh I had one too many", or "but I LUUUV him" (even though they just met the dude) or the completely trifling "but I want to feel the inside of her" routine. It's completely messed up,but it's almost as if the tide has completely turned from what we know to be true, and we've completely forgotten the lessons that AIDS has taught us
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I think that part of the problem is the advances in birth control and STD prevention themselves that have created a false sense of security among young people having sex. You have implants and patches these days which are used for birth control as well as pills, and in the event that a woman gets drunk at the bar or some college frat party and and has a wild night of dirty monkey sex with some dude that she otherwise wouldn't even be seen with in the light of day had she not been drunk, she can always run to the pharmacy and pick up the morning-after pill. And as far as AIDS is concerned, now that those who have decent health insurance or can afford the drug cocktails can take those drugs, it's been perceived as a chronic disease like diabetes that can be managed and not the automatic death sentence that it used to be in the 1980's and early 1990's. Ever since they came up with the drug cocktails for AIDS, the biggest group of people contracting the disease went from gay people to IV drug users and poor people, particularly in underdeveloped countries.

At lease Jamie Lynn has the financial means to support having her child. I just hope that she has a strong family support system to help her out. Unfortunately, a lot of young teen girls actually want to have children because they feel that the child will love them unconditionally, yet they are totally oblivious to the massive amount of time, money and energy spent to raise a child.

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And you know what? I agree with everything you've just said 100%,and I've been feeling like that for quite a while now. It's just so frustrating because (in the case of the adults who usually have more life experience) I've just always thought, "Whyyyyy are you putting yourself through this hassle...? of eventually having to make that dreaded trip to the doctor for THE TEST? Be it for an std or pregancy? Don't you know you're putting your coochie/penis on the crap table with all this return to free-love nonsense?" Forget return to free love, you better return to the drug store and get your butt back home with some condoms. I irritate some of my adult friends when I start lecturing like that (because,after all, I'm not their mother), but I do it out of love and concern for the health and welfare,so usually and eventually (!) they try to understand (I think lol)
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Reply #67 posted 12/19/07 2:37pm

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liberation said:

Exactly...it's rape!..by law. She's a minor...what the HELL is a 16 year old dating a 19 year old anyways????





It may be the law but it's not uncommon.
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Reply #68 posted 12/19/07 3:30pm

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PEJ said:

liberation said:

Exactly...it's rape!..by law. She's a minor...what the HELL is a 16 year old dating a 19 year old anyways????





It may be the law but it's not uncommon.



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Reply #69 posted 12/19/07 4:01pm

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Check out Britney's reaction to news about her little sister getting pregnant.



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Reply #70 posted 12/19/07 4:14pm

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728huey said:

Check out Britney's reaction to news about her little sister getting pregnant.



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Reply #71 posted 12/19/07 4:31pm

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728huey said:

Check out Britney's reaction to news about her little sister getting pregnant.



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OMG falloff falloff falloff
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Reply #72 posted 12/19/07 5:00pm

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Ottensen said:

728huey said:

Ottensen said:

I think that part of the problem is the advances in birth control and STD prevention themselves that have created a false sense of security among young people having sex. You have implants and patches these days which are used for birth control as well as pills, and in the event that a woman gets drunk at the bar or some college frat party and and has a wild night of dirty monkey sex with some dude that she otherwise wouldn't even be seen with in the light of day had she not been drunk, she can always run to the pharmacy and pick up the morning-after pill. And as far as AIDS is concerned, now that those who have decent health insurance or can afford the drug cocktails can take those drugs, it's been perceived as a chronic disease like diabetes that can be managed and not the automatic death sentence that it used to be in the 1980's and early 1990's. Ever since they came up with the drug cocktails for AIDS, the biggest group of people contracting the disease went from gay people to IV drug users and poor people, particularly in underdeveloped countries.


At lease Jamie Lynn has the financial means to support having her child. I just hope that she has a strong family support system to help her out. Unfortunately, a lot of young teen girls actually want to have children because they feel that the child will love them unconditionally, yet they are totally oblivious to the massive amount of time, money and energy spent to raise a child.

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And you know what? I agree with everything you've just said 100%,and I've been feeling like that for quite a while now. It's just so frustrating because (in the case of the adults who usually have more life experience) I've just always thought, "Whyyyyy are you putting yourself through this hassle...? of eventually having to make that dreaded trip to the doctor for THE TEST? Be it for an std or pregancy? Don't you know you're putting your coochie/penis on the crap table with all this return to free-love nonsense?" Forget return to free love, you better return to the drug store and get your butt back home with some condoms. I irritate some of my adult friends when I start lecturing like that (because,after all, I'm not their mother), but I do it out of love and concern for the health and welfare,so usually and eventually (!) they try to understand (I think lol)


+1. When I first had sex, I was far more worried about STD's than pregnancy. Looking back on it, I'm kicking myself for not wearing a condom or anything, but it's in the past now, and I'm still clean, so whatever.....shrug :Shrug:
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Reply #73 posted 12/20/07 1:38am

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As I said in the other thread :

The father may be in legal trouble because the age of consent in her hometown is 17. She's 16.
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Reply #74 posted 12/20/07 3:49am

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My 16yr old cousin has just told her mother that she is expecting… Her moms in bits and has descended into a deep depression. She had my cousin’s whole life totally mapped out. What schools she was to go to, which college and what career options she has. (Her other kid is a surgeon)

My cousin didn’t appear to mind as this worked for her older sister (the surgeon) and she seemed happy.

6months ago she got a boyfriend, her first Boyfriend. It was like a Nato summit! Her mom gave him the 3rd degree, met with his mom to ensure that she knew the family and that he was a ‘good’ boy etc.

So 6mths down the road her baby is preggers, and turns out my young cousin planned this pregnancy because she didn’t want to be a Lawyer or a surgeon said she wants to make her own life decisions and felt overprotected by her mother. I couldn’t help but compare the situation when I heard about Jamie’s pregnancy and Britney’s recent lack of connection to her mother.

On the other hand if it was an accident hmmm

Does the 'Morning after pill' not exist in the USA? It can be taken up to 3days after unprotected sex or in the case of condoms 'breaking'....

Additionally there is a birth control coil that can be inserted up to 5days after unprotected sex.

Young girls too scared to go to a doctor or talk to someone after they have unprotected sex are usually the ones who get caught out.
It’s sad that this kid couldn’t talk to her mom about her boyfriend.
One minute they want peace……

Then do everything to make it go away. rolleyes
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Reply #75 posted 12/20/07 3:53am

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not totally shocking to me.not cause i expected it of her or anything.but since jr high ive seen girls 13-14 already pregnant and it was normal by high school.but what makes this so drama is cause of britney.
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Reply #76 posted 12/20/07 8:03am

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to be honest, as the father of 2 girls, ages 8 and 12 who watch Zoey 101, I called Nickelodeon and expressed my feelings that the show should be cancelled.
My youngest loves the show but I feel if they continue the broadcast it, it sends out the wrong message, that being that it's okay for 16 year old unmarried girl to have a baby.

just my two cents.

supposedly, Jamie was jealous over all the press that Britney was getting.
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Reply #77 posted 12/20/07 9:28am

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purplesweat said:

As I said in the other thread :

The father may be in legal trouble because the age of consent in her hometown is 17. She's 16.




From Today's NY POST

From my preliminary investigation, she is 16 and he is 18, he said If, in fact, it happened in the state of Louisiana, that does not violate any criminal statutes, he said the age of consent is 17, but that officials don't prosecute if the two are no more than 24 months apart in age.16 and 18 is ok and 15 and 19 is not...

let's put this to rest... Dude is not in trouble
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Reply #78 posted 12/20/07 9:31am

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BlackAdder7 said:

to be honest, as the father of 2 girls, ages 8 and 12 who watch Zoey 101, I called Nickelodeon and expressed my feelings that the show should be cancelled.
My youngest loves the show but I feel if they continue the broadcast it, it sends out the wrong message, that being that it's okay for 16 year old unmarried girl to have a baby.

just my two cents.

supposedly, Jamie was jealous over all the press that Britney was getting.



Why are you trying to stop her from making a living... Either don't let your kids watch her show or here's an idea..... Talk to your children
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Reply #79 posted 12/20/07 9:34am

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She has made a life-changing decision and now must live with the consequences.
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Reply #80 posted 12/20/07 9:36am

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LadyLuvSexxy said:

COMPLETE SHOCK?!

Good Lord. Jamie, honey....it's time we talked about the facts of life and condoms. disbelief

Complete shock....YEESH!!

Oh well. At least J-Lo finally confirmed her pregnancy. (like it was that hard to tell....lol.)


Again, condoms break. They're not 100% safe.


There is no reason for 16-year-olds to be having sex.
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Reply #81 posted 12/20/07 10:06am

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banks said:

BlackAdder7 said:

to be honest, as the father of 2 girls, ages 8 and 12 who watch Zoey 101, I called Nickelodeon and expressed my feelings that the show should be cancelled.
My youngest loves the show but I feel if they continue the broadcast it, it sends out the wrong message, that being that it's okay for 16 year old unmarried girl to have a baby.

just my two cents.

supposedly, Jamie was jealous over all the press that Britney was getting.



Why are you trying to stop her from making a living... Either don't let your kids watch her show or here's an idea..... Talk to your children


Ya, exactly. If you are open and honest with your kids you shouldn't have to worry about what some young actress is doing with her personal life.

I also find it odd that you are so concerned about what she does impacting your family's life and in the same post play right into the gossip and bullshit by saying she supposedly got pregnant for press.

People can be so weird when it comes to celebs.
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Reply #82 posted 12/20/07 1:25pm

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Man, I freaked out when my mom told me that my 16 year old sister was pregnant 5 years ago. Luckily for her, I was in college 2 and a half hours away from home when I got the call because had I have been there, I would have blown up on her ass. I would have probably lost control and beat her ass down in the street. Bad enough she screws up her life and her unborn child's by being emotionally, mentally, and financially unprepared for such a huge life venture, but my mom got stuck having to feed and support another child which isn't easy when you're on disability. In fact, my mom is the one who kept me from driving down there and cussing her ass out. This is ridiculous. I'm not going to give kudos to some stupid 16 year old kid (celebrity or not) who's too dumb to practice abstinence or use birth control correctly. Even if the condom broke or she was on birth control pills (which also aren't 100% effective, because I've met three women who got pregnant while on them), there is the morning-after pill and it works 72 hours after the sexual act happens. Trust me, I slipped up once and had to use it and I'm kid-free now thanks to it.

Just because she chooses to carry the baby for 9 months doesn't really give me reason to commend her. Wait until the 9 months is up and let's see how this goes. Many young girls carry the baby for the 9 months and then give them up for adoption or to a family who can better take care of them (something that I think is much better for the baby). There are too many young people (not just teenagers) having kids and many of them don't know what the fuck they are doing, so the just add more screwed up people to an already screwed up society. Just because someone's reproductive organs work and they have lots of cash flow doesn't mean they are going to be a good parent....big sis Britney being a prime example here. I pray for the sake of that poor child that this girl doesn't turn out to be a worthless parent like her role model big sister.
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Reply #83 posted 12/20/07 2:50pm

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RodeoSchro said:

TonyVanDam said:



Again, condoms break. They're not 100% safe.


There is no reason for 16-year-olds to be having sex.


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Reply #84 posted 12/20/07 3:03pm

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TonyVanDam said:



Again, condoms break. They're not 100% safe.


There is no reason for 16-year-olds to be having sex.


Exactly, since I didn't, nobody should!!
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Reply #85 posted 12/20/07 3:05pm

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i watched zoey 101 a couple times...
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Reply #86 posted 12/20/07 3:06pm

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Man, I freaked out when my mom told me that my 16 year old sister was pregnant 5 years ago. Luckily for her, I was in college 2 and a half hours away from home when I got the call because had I have been there, I would have blown up on her ass. I would have probably lost control and beat her ass down in the street. Bad enough she screws up her life and her unborn child's by being emotionally, mentally, and financially unprepared for such a huge life venture, but my mom got stuck having to feed and support another child which isn't easy when you're on disability. In fact, my mom is the one who kept me from driving down there and cussing her ass out. This is ridiculous. I'm not going to give kudos to some stupid 16 year old kid (celebrity or not) who's too dumb to practice abstinence or use birth control correctly. Even if the condom broke or she was on birth control pills (which also aren't 100% effective, because I've met three women who got pregnant while on them), there is the morning-after pill and it works 72 hours after the sexual act happens. Trust me, I slipped up once and had to use it and I'm kid-free now thanks to it.

Just because she chooses to carry the baby for 9 months doesn't really give me reason to commend her. Wait until the 9 months is up and let's see how this goes. Many young girls carry the baby for the 9 months and then give them up for adoption or to a family who can better take care of them (something that I think is much better for the baby). There are too many young people (not just teenagers) having kids and many of them don't know what the fuck they are doing, so the just add more screwed up people to an already screwed up society. Just because someone's reproductive organs work and they have lots of cash flow doesn't mean they are going to be a good parent....big sis Britney being a prime example here. I pray for the sake of that poor child that this girl doesn't turn out to be a worthless parent like her role model big sister.


I've been reading a whole bunch of posts on this topic on the Org and other sites, and what's really disturbing me is the pure hateful vitriol which is being spewed towards this young woman. I've seen a bunch of posts calling her a dirty slut, trailer trash ho, irresponsible skank, a stain on society, worthless mass of human cells, etc. For GOD'S SAKE, give this girl a little bit of a break already. She's already going through a difficult period in her life; we don't need to compound it into a tragedy by denigrating her before the baby is even born. Yes, she's only 16 and practically a "baby" herself, but for all we know, she may become the role model for all mothers out there. We don't know yet, but at least give her a chance. We can't turn back the clock and make her "unpregnant", so criticizing her won't do any good at this point. What she needs now is a good support system.

Some of the most vile statement hurled at her have been coming from her native Louisiana, which is supposed to be Bible Belt country, full of deep Christian moral values and where abortion is murder and the unborn are so precious, yet they don't waste any time attacking this poor mother-to-be as "worthless scum". Getting pregnant as a teen is hard, but it doesn't have to be the end of the world. If she can get a decent support system to help raise her child, she can get through the early years of starting a family and still have her whole life ahead of her to resume her career. By the time her child is in kindergarten, she'll only be 22 years old, and assuming that she hasn't had more children by then, she could easily pick up on her acting career without missing much of anything.

As for whether this makes it okay for teen girls to get pregnant, my take is that instead of necessarily worrying about when it's okay for kids to have sex, we need to talk to them on an honest level and ask them why they are so anxious to have sex in the first place. Then we as a society can address some of the sexuality issues confronting our children. In my opinion, there are 14 year old kids out there who can responsibly enter into sexual relationships (not that many 14 year olds, but some), and yet there are far too many 40 year olds who should have been castrated or sterilized before they were allowed to breed with anyone (just watch any Jerry Springer or Maury Povich episodes for examples).

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Reply #87 posted 12/20/07 3:10pm

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man what the hell is wrong with these damn kids...I wasn't even like that when I was young...I didn't even trust guys... I stayed away from them.
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Reply #88 posted 12/20/07 3:44pm

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as much as we want to bash teens...


teen pregnancy rates are down...so we can't come too hard on all teens
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Reply #89 posted 12/20/07 9:01pm

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This happens in all areas of life, at all different strata.

The difference here is the unflinchingly harsh glare of the media and public opinion.

The same family dynamics, the same concerns about patterns, the legal implications of the father's age -- all of this happens all over the world.

There's a danger in adding too much -- or the wrong -- subtext and context to this saga.
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