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Thread started 12/17/07 8:54am

PricelessHo

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Why mothers are always portrayed negatively in American drama?

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she's always the annoying figure who's presence can't be tolerated and is ALWAYS asked to catch the next flight back home.
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Reply #1 posted 12/17/07 9:02am

morningsong

Do you mean mother-in-laws?
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Reply #2 posted 12/17/07 9:03am

CarrieMpls

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Is "American Drama" the name of a tv show? Or are you saying in general?
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Reply #3 posted 12/17/07 9:10am

PricelessHo

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no in general.
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Reply #4 posted 12/17/07 9:11am

PricelessHo

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morningsong said:

Do you mean mother-in-laws?


nop, mothers.
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Reply #5 posted 12/17/07 9:11am

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I guess I've never seen it that way. Can you give some examples?
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Reply #6 posted 12/17/07 9:20am

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CarrieMpls said:

I guess I've never seen it that way. Can you give some examples?


sure.

take the show Dexter, the mother flies in to help her daughter grieve over her ex's death but the girl is fed up with her trying to help and asks her to leave the next morning.

in the film Because I Said So, Diane Keaton plays a devoted mother who cares immensely about her daughters but yet she keeps getting pushed away by them.

in Desperate Housewives, Lynette's mother flies in to help her cope with Cancer but her presence is considered intolerable, and even worse the sisters fight over who will take her in.

even Sitcoms like Friends and Will & Grace, a mom coming to town is always a son's/daughter's worst nightmare.
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Reply #7 posted 12/17/07 9:23am

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How old are you?

If you're under...oh...I'd say 25, just give it time. You will one day understand what the presence of your mother in your home means.
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Reply #8 posted 12/17/07 9:29am

PricelessHo

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Genesia said:

You will one day understand what the presence of your mother in your home means.


i know it happens but what i meant is it's almost become a standard in American films/shows.
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Reply #9 posted 12/17/07 9:30am

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Brothers & Sisters, that's another one.

ah, Nip Tuck as well.
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Reply #10 posted 12/17/07 9:32am

PricelessHo

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it's also not only about mothers staying with their kids, it's how their mere visits are considered a nightmare.
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PricelessHo said:

Genesia said:

You will one day understand what the presence of your mother in your home means.


i know it happens but what i meant is it's almost become a standard in American films/shows.


That's because it's almost a universal experience. Art is imitating life.
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Reply #12 posted 12/17/07 9:37am

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PricelessHo said:

it's also not only about mothers staying with their kids, it's how their mere visits are considered a nightmare.
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Like I said, you have to be of a certain age to understand how your house (even for a visit) will never be clean enough for your mother. Or how your lifestyle (who you see, how you raise your children) will never be good enough.
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Reply #13 posted 12/17/07 9:43am

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not my mom:

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Reply #14 posted 12/17/07 9:52am

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My mom is cool but a lot of my friends have nags for moms. Moms are going to try to be your voice of reason, even when you're grown. At times when people are doing something they know is stupid, they don't want to hear their mom disciplining them. I don't think the portrayal in American drama is that unrealistic.

I get annoyed when my mom tells me to drive carefully. Or when she tells me to not stick my hand under a running mower. I feel like it insults my intelligence but I know she's just being MOM.
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Reply #15 posted 12/17/07 9:52am

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Genesia said:



Like I said, you have to be of a certain age to understand how your house (even for a visit) will never be clean enough for your mother. Or how your lifestyle (who you see, how you raise your children) will never be good enough.


very true and i actually happened to witness that when my grandmother came to stay with us for a while, but that isn't my point.

what i mean is, why immedietly typecast a mother that way. it's almost a given in any new project.

fathers for example could be abusive and these types do get portrayed, but nowhere as often as the annoying mother.

Come to think of it, actually most father characters on TV are typecast as the kind ones that are their childrens' best friends.
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PricelessHo said:

Genesia said:



Like I said, you have to be of a certain age to understand how your house (even for a visit) will never be clean enough for your mother. Or how your lifestyle (who you see, how you raise your children) will never be good enough.


very true and i actually happened to witness that when my grandmother came to stay with us for a while, but that isn't my point.

what i mean is, why immedietly typecast a mother that way. it's almost a given in any new project.

fathers for example could be abusive and these types do get portrayed, but nowhere as often as the annoying mother.

Come to think of it, actually most father characters on TV are typecast as the kind ones that are their childrens' best friends.
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Oh, but that is exactly the point. You don't think the people who write for television have mothers? Writers write from their experience. Having a mother who meddles or criticizes or tries to impose her will on her adult children is an almost universal experience. It makes the situation more relatable for the audience.
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Genesia said:



Oh, but that is exactly the point. You don't think the people who write for television have mothers? Writers write from their experience. Having a mother who meddles or criticizes or tries to impose her will on her adult children is an almost universal experience. It makes the situation more relatable for the audience.


i believe the reason why it caught my attention is because here in the middle east, even though we also get this typecast on tv but it's not being used as exessively as in the US.

i'm not saying mothers should be typecast as angels. it's just there's more to a mother's character than that. she could be passionate and annoying, she could be careless and annoying, she could be wise, she could be evil. she could be many thing other than this repetetive character that tries to change everything.
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Reply #18 posted 12/17/07 10:34am

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I think that the role of the parent especially at an older age is not placed at that high of an importance here in the American culture as in for example Asian cultures. Here in America we don't feel an obligation to heed the concerns of our parents once we are grown. so instead of sometimes being the voice of reason and advice, mothers are portrayed as nagging oftentimes. How we view people in our lives bleeds over into television.
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Reply #19 posted 12/17/07 10:41am

horatio

is this a trick question confuse
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Reply #20 posted 12/17/07 10:45am

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June Cleaver was pretty fly.
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horatio said:

is this a trick question confuse


Right? I mean...asked and answered, already! lol
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Reply #22 posted 12/17/07 10:51am

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heybaby said:

I think that the role of the parent especially at an older age is not placed at that high of an importance here in the American culture as in for example Asian cultures. Here in America we don't feel an obligation to heed the concerns of our parents once we are grown. so instead of sometimes being the voice of reason and advice, mothers are portrayed as nagging oftentimes. How we view people in our lives bleeds over into television.


ok now that's putting it very well. i never viewed it that way. so thank you nod
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PricelessHo said:

CarrieMpls said:

I guess I've never seen it that way. Can you give some examples?


sure.

take the show Dexter, the mother flies in to help her daughter grieve over her ex's death but the girl is fed up with her trying to help and asks her to leave the next morning.

in the film Because I Said So, Diane Keaton plays a devoted mother who cares immensely about her daughters but yet she keeps getting pushed away by them.

in Desperate Housewives, Lynette's mother flies in to help her cope with Cancer but her presence is considered intolerable, and even worse the sisters fight over who will take her in.

even Sitcoms like Friends and Will & Grace, a mom coming to town is always a son's/daughter's worst nightmare.


When my mom comes to town i never know what to expect. Sometimes it's all good, but other times we just fight.

Also remember in Desperate Housewives Lynette's mother is an alocholic. and it's an extreme verion of life.
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PricelessHo said:

CarrieMpls said:

I guess I've never seen it that way. Can you give some examples?


sure.

take the show Dexter, the mother flies in to help her daughter grieve over her ex's death but the girl is fed up with her trying to help and asks her to leave the next morning.

in the film Because I Said So, Diane Keaton plays a devoted mother who cares immensely about her daughters but yet she keeps getting pushed away by them.

in Desperate Housewives, Lynette's mother flies in to help her cope with Cancer but her presence is considered intolerable, and even worse the sisters fight over who will take her in.


Interesting... I'll have to pay attention. I've never seen any of those shows/movies.
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PricelessHo said:

Brothers & Sisters, that's another one.

ah, Nip Tuck as well.

Really?!?
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ehuffnsd said:

PricelessHo said:

Brothers & Sisters, that's another one.

ah, Nip Tuck as well.

Really?!?


yea. Calista's mother from B&S, and Julia's mother from Nip Tuck.
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PricelessHo said:

ehuffnsd said:


Really?!?


yea. Calista's mother from B&S, and Julia's mother from Nip Tuck.

Nora Walker?!? I think that character is great and shows both positives and negatives.
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Reply #28 posted 12/17/07 12:22pm

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ehuffnsd said:

PricelessHo said:



yea. Calista's mother from B&S, and Julia's mother from Nip Tuck.

Nora Walker?!? I think that character is great and shows both positives and negatives.


exactly, and yet her kids get grumpy once they see her name on their cell phone's screen lol
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Reply #29 posted 12/17/07 12:56pm

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PricelessHo said:

ehuffnsd said:


Nora Walker?!? I think that character is great and shows both positives and negatives.


exactly, and yet her kids get grumpy once they see her name on their cell phone's screen lol

that's a normal reaction.
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