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Printableonce they showed some of 'those' couples on TV here ... the guy was explaining that now, by having a washer, dryer, dishwasher and iron, his wife certainly would be happier than ever before ...  
What's completely wrong is, there's people making serious money bringing those people together, knowing they are often instigating painful divorces, unhappy children and in some cases suicides. Like I said before, if this is a clear choice of two consenting adults ... we can't judge  | |
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DexMSR said: Ocean said: to me the 60/65 year old aussie/english.white guy marrying the the 20 something Asian ..tell me why these girls do it .....and surely these guys wonder why too....
And I'm not saying there isn't real love matches ..but u can't tell me these are all real The reason I'm asking is I met another one of these couples tonight and its as phony as a 2 bob watch 
[Edited 12/15/07 4:53am] What does being Aussie or Asian have to do with anything?? It's Life....I hope you are enjoying it while you are OBSERVING it!! WHAP!!! | |
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Imago said: Ocean said: to me the 60/65 year old aussie/english.white guy marrying the the 20 something Asian ..tell me why these girls do it .....and surely these guys wonder why too....
And I'm not saying there isn't real love matches ..but u can't tell me these are all real The reason I'm asking is I met another one of these couples tonight and its as phony as a 2 bob watch
[Edited 12/15/07 4:53am] OMG, I'm a product of that fakery. My Mom is like 12 or 15 years or something like that younger than my dad. I never sensed once during my childhood that she actually loved him. It was in my teenage years when I finally observed my friends parents (those who didn't come from divorced households that is  ) that I knew for sure their marriage was a skam.
basically, in desperate countries, with little or no opportunity, a white guy from an affluent country is seen as a way out of what will be an almost certain desperate lifestyle. It sucked for me and my sister but my mother got what she wanted--a secure eldery life. This guy actually made a comment to my husband (don't think he knew he was married :shug:) "If you want one there are plenty over there to take your pick..they all want to get married" Yep I would say hes deeply in love ....
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Ace said:  / $Yeah I agree .....what surprises me is that they both find this is enough to make them happy .....I guess if your from a poor background or abuse etc ..the security would be something they dream of.....but do these men really feel loved? (and im talking only about the ones that aren't real love matches) | |
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I get your point.... I see where it is an attempt to have what the other thinks they will not.... Its a trade off... She seeks a life better then the one she has filled with supposed promise... he seeks a mate he otherwise seems not to obtain... ( More then likely for a very real reason)
...unfortunately such unions are not to promising based on the pitfalls that brought them together in the first place.... | |
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Ocean said: Ace said: / $Yeah I agree .....what surprises me is that they both find this is enough to make them happy .....I guess if your from a poor background or abuse etc ..the security would be something they dream of.....but do these men really feel loved? (and im talking only about the ones that aren't real love matches) What makes you think they're "happy"?
They're doing what they think will bring them happiness, so maybe they're better off in some ways than when they were apart. But it's clear why it happens on both ends. People seeking true love & fulfillment usually don't unite this way...   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Ocean said: Ace said: / $Yeah I agree .....what surprises me is that they both find this is enough to make them happy .....I guess if your from a poor background or abuse etc ..the security would be something they dream of.....but do these men really feel loved? (and im talking only about the ones that aren't real love matches) it's like both of them got something just for show | |
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Interesting topic, pinoy women are hated thru out the world, coz they have a dignity that most others can not grasp. they have a beauty which can not be captured and many other women are very jealous of that, i know many of the(types)women that are spoken about here, but i will say one thing, when i meet such couples, they are still together unlike the rest of the so called modern world couples. If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
"True to his status as the last enigma in music, Prince crashed into London this week in a ball of confusion" The Times 2014 | |
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Fauxie said:  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Fauxie said: you are in your 60s?!!! | |
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Louis Theroux's documentary on Thai brides and matchmaker services in Thailand. You should check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...r5HBFCmnBc | |
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my housemate years ago, went to Vietnam on 2 separate occasions and impregnated the same lady TWICE.
I wonder whatever happened to him  | |
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ZombieKitten said: Fauxie said: you are in your 60s?!!! Of course not, though it's not all about age either and some of the issues are the same however old the two people are. In my case, Mon's actually a couple of years older than me. Let me break it down...
I was only 19 when I first came out here. Now Mon never thought I was some rich man who could buy her everything she wanted, but still, pretty much any foreigner is going to be able to give a Thai woman a better quality of life than the average Thai man could. If she'd wanted a rich, old man she could've had one, but still for a woman financial clout is very often a factor in finding a mate, since obviously it's preferable to have that rather than not. It's just one factor, but it's not a small one, I think. Mon had almost always dated foreign guys, and she'd say a large part of it is how she's treated. It's a generalisation, but not a totally unfair one, to say that Thai men have a very old-fashioned outlook on relationships, particularly when you're looking at working class Thai men. Many Thai women believe they have more freedom, of expression, of financial responsibility, of behaviour, with a foreign guy. Thai men routinely have mia-nawys (literally 'small wives') and it's almost accepted. Some women don't accept this though, or tire of it, and despite the image of the typical 'farang' in Thailand fucking every girl he can get his grubby mitts on, often foreigners are seen as being faithful compared to their Thai counterparts. Mon and I are roughly the same age, but some of the same issues still arise. She certainly welcomed the increased financial security of being with a foreigner. In my experience, if they've had that then it's rare for a girl to go back to thinking about being with a Thai. So now, as a girl, you're looking for a foreign guy. It's fair enough, but the first one that comes along isn't necessarily going to be the right one. A hasty wedding occurs and down the line there are problems. For Mon and I, she was looking for a foreign guy. I wasn't her first foreign bf so it wasn't some 'farang fever'. For me, I'd never had a gf before, back in the UK. I didn't ever even think about hooking up with someone while out here, but I ended up doing so. I don't doubt my naivety about relationships and perhaps even a need to be with someone (hey, it's not easy in your teens never having been with a girl! ) had an impact. As it turns out we fell in love, it lasted, it was genuine, and we're both very lucky. I don't think it started 100% from the most romantic place (although we did get along really well right from the beginning), but circumstances and our personalities at the time brought us together and it very quickly became something very special.
I've seen this happen with young Thai women and older foreign men too, but the situation is usually that this isn't the first relationship with a foreign man that the girl has been in. There's no hasty wedding, both parties know the score and have been around in Thailand long enough to know what it's all about. It is different from those quick hook-ups purely from mutual benefit that are doomed to fail. However, those quick hook-ups do still happen in abundance and they almost invariably run into difficulties. It's rare, I think, that the mutual benefit thing works. It does happen, especially where there's an open relationship, that somehow sometimes it does work, but I think more often than not these relationships fail. | |
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Actually, I can give an example of a situation very close to me to show just one way it can happen.
A good friend of Mon and I, a girl aged around 24, was in a couple of bad relationships with Thai men when she was in her teens. She got beaten around a bit, treated like a doormat, while the guy was out drinking and sleeping with other women. She's a fun girl herself and was no angel, but she didn't want to put up with all that so she decided she'd just look for a foreign man to be with. In her early 20s she lived the party life, hooked up with several 'giks', which you could call fuck buddies, or you could call it prostitution. She'd be with a guy a few weeks, they'd have sex, he'd look after her, and if they got on well maybe they'd see each other again if he came back here, but it's all very non-committal. I'd worry about her and what she was doing, but it has to be looked at in context. She's a bright, funny girl, with a great personality, but in many ways she's just a prostitute. To many young Thai girls it's pretty normal behaviour. These men buy them mobile phones, take them to Singapore or Kuala Lumpur, allow them to stay in nice hotels, or put them up in apartments. They may send money from home, and they may not be the only ones doing so. But ask my friend if she wanted true love and someone to settle down with and she'd definitely say yes. Now, fast forward a couple of years and her numerous 'giks' become boyfriends. It's still in the plural, but it's two guys she's been in relationships with for a while, having spent much more time with them, finding she clicks with them well. They're both older, but for whatever reason that's what she goes for. She's young and attractive so it's not like she couldn't find a young foreign boyfriend if she wanted, but the older guy is what she's after. Solely from money? Not sure, as it's obviously a factor, but I honestly think she's just after the security now and wants to settle down a bit. Now she's in the process of deciding if she wants to be with one guy and make a serious commitment. She likes that money, for sure, and she like the things she can have, but who can really deny her that? Why not? She's been around enough to know what she's after in a guy, and for the man he'll have known her long enough to know what she's like and whether he wants to be with her. | |
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I killed the thread.
Shoulda just said 'security and a better quality of life'.  | |
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One4All4Ever said: Steadwood said: That's just typical of my luck! 
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And there was me all ready to set up the aforementioned friend with Aksel, until his e-mail this morning fretting about whether his hotel would be near the 'fat, old, sunburned germans with way too young Thai-girls' that he said he finds repulsive.
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Which is to say, Ocean: No, I cannot explain it.  | |
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Well, I'm Thai, and financial stability has NOTHING to do with my trying to hook up with this right here...
 
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Fauxie said: And there was me all ready to set up the aforementioned friend with Aksel, until his e-mail this morning fretting about whether his hotel would be near the 'fat, old, sunburned germans with way too young Thai-girls' that he said he finds repulsive.
jk! i have just read some of the stuff you wrote, well done for writing it, but as i have mentioned in an earlier post, there is a reason why Pinoy/thai women are treated like this, look at eastern europe, Ukraine, Romania, Moldovia etc, beautiful women that only do one thing, chase the money. look at the internet, the standards have dropped I will leave you figure that out for yourselves  If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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Imago said: Well, I'm Thai, and financial stability has NOTHING to do with my trying to hook up with this right here...
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Whitnail said: Fauxie said: And there was me all ready to set up the aforementioned friend with Aksel, until his e-mail this morning fretting about whether his hotel would be near the 'fat, old, sunburned germans with way too young Thai-girls' that he said he finds repulsive.
jk! i have just read some of the stuff you wrote, well done for writing it, but as i have mentioned in an earlier post, there is a reason why Pinoy/thai women are treated like this, look at eastern europe, Ukraine, Romania, Moldovia etc, beautiful women that only do one thing, chase the money. look at the internet, the standards have dropped I will leave you figure that out for yourselves I'm not sure I understand. Can you spell it out for me?  | |
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Fauxie said: Whitnail said: i have just read some of the stuff you wrote, well done for writing it, but as i have mentioned in an earlier post, there is a reason why Pinoy/thai women are treated like this, look at eastern europe, Ukraine, Romania, Moldovia etc, beautiful women that only do one thing, chase the money. look at the internet, the standards have dropped I will leave you figure that out for yourselves I'm not sure I understand. Can you spell it out for me? Every friday night I call your butt up on the phone A deeper voice answers and says you're not at home Now if u think that I'm a fool who'll go 4 any line Then honey, put down all your money, u win every time Irresistible bitch I love the way u walk Irresistible bitch I love the way u talk Irresistible bitch And I really dig the way u kiss Irresistible Oh mama, I wish I could resist All my partners ask me why I take so much abuse Why am I so faithful, honey? Why are u so loose? They say why am I the one who never gets to take u home? But they don't know the things u do 2 me when we're alone Irresistible bitch I love the way u walk Irresistible bitch I love the way u talk Irresistible bitch I really dig the way u kiss Irresistible Oh mama, I wish I could resist Hurt me, hurt me Stole all my honey Played it off like it was a joke You're stealing all my honey, baby, keep u by my side Bleed me till I'm broke. Sugar Hell if I know why I let u drive my car Don't I know that walking won't get me very far? Sure I know that crying over u is just in vain But all things I lose don't add up to all the things I gain Irresistible bitch I love the way u walk Irresistible bitch I love the way u talk Irresistible bitch And I really dig the way u kiss Ain't it a shame? (Irresistible) Oh mama, mama, I wish I could re- Hurt me! Stole all my honey Played it off like it was a joke Stealing all my honey, baby, keep u by my side Bleed me till I'm broke Everybody, everybody dance Everybody, everybody Everybody, everybody dance Everybody Irresistible bitch Irresistible bitch Everybody, everybody dance Everybody Irresistible bitch Everybody, everybody dance Everybody Irresistible bitch If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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Whitnail said: Fauxie said: I'm not sure I understand. Can you spell it out for me? Every friday night I call your butt up on the phone A deeper voice answers and says you're not at home Now if u think that I'm a fool who'll go 4 any line Then honey, put down all your money, u win every time Irresistible bitch I love the way u walk Irresistible bitch I love the way u talk Irresistible bitch And I really dig the way u kiss Irresistible Oh mama, I wish I could resist All my partners ask me why I take so much abuse Why am I so faithful, honey? Why are u so loose? They say why am I the one who never gets to take u home? But they don't know the things u do 2 me when we're alone Irresistible bitch I love the way u walk Irresistible bitch I love the way u talk Irresistible bitch I really dig the way u kiss Irresistible Oh mama, I wish I could resist Hurt me, hurt me Stole all my honey Played it off like it was a joke You're stealing all my honey, baby, keep u by my side Bleed me till I'm broke. Sugar Hell if I know why I let u drive my car Don't I know that walking won't get me very far? Sure I know that crying over u is just in vain But all things I lose don't add up to all the things I gain Irresistible bitch I love the way u walk Irresistible bitch I love the way u talk Irresistible bitch And I really dig the way u kiss Ain't it a shame? (Irresistible) Oh mama, mama, I wish I could re- Hurt me! Stole all my honey Played it off like it was a joke Stealing all my honey, baby, keep u by my side Bleed me till I'm broke Everybody, everybody dance Everybody, everybody Everybody, everybody dance Everybody Irresistible bitch Irresistible bitch Everybody, everybody dance Everybody Irresistible bitch Everybody, everybody dance Everybody Irresistible bitch
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Fauxie said: ZombieKitten said: you are in your 60s?!!! Of course not, though it's not all about age either and some of the issues are the same however old the two people are. In my case, Mon's actually a couple of years older than me. Let me break it down...
I was only 19 when I first came out here. Now Mon never thought I was some rich man who could buy her everything she wanted, but still, pretty much any foreigner is going to be able to give a Thai woman a better quality of life than the average Thai man could. If she'd wanted a rich, old man she could've had one, but still for a woman financial clout is very often a factor in finding a mate, since obviously it's preferable to have that rather than not. It's just one factor, but it's not a small one, I think. Mon had almost always dated foreign guys, and she'd say a large part of it is how she's treated. It's a generalisation, but not a totally unfair one, to say that Thai men have a very old-fashioned outlook on relationships, particularly when you're looking at working class Thai men. Many Thai women believe they have more freedom, of expression, of financial responsibility, of behaviour, with a foreign guy. Thai men routinely have mia-nawys (literally 'small wives') and it's almost accepted. Some women don't accept this though, or tire of it, and despite the image of the typical 'farang' in Thailand fucking every girl he can get his grubby mitts on, often foreigners are seen as being faithful compared to their Thai counterparts. Mon and I are roughly the same age, but some of the same issues still arise. She certainly welcomed the increased financial security of being with a foreigner. In my experience, if they've had that then it's rare for a girl to go back to thinking about being with a Thai. So now, as a girl, you're looking for a foreign guy. It's fair enough, but the first one that comes along isn't necessarily going to be the right one. A hasty wedding occurs and down the line there are problems. For Mon and I, she was looking for a foreign guy. I wasn't her first foreign bf so it wasn't some 'farang fever'. For me, I'd never had a gf before, back in the UK. I didn't ever even think about hooking up with someone while out here, but I ended up doing so. I don't doubt my naivety about relationships and perhaps even a need to be with someone (hey, it's not easy in your teens never having been with a girl! ) had an impact. As it turns out we fell in love, it lasted, it was genuine, and we're both very lucky. I don't think it started 100% from the most romantic place (although we did get along really well right from the beginning), but circumstances and our personalities at the time brought us together and it very quickly became something very special.
I've seen this happen with young Thai women and older foreign men too, but the situation is usually that this isn't the first relationship with a foreign man that the girl has been in. There's no hasty wedding, both parties know the score and have been around in Thailand long enough to know what it's all about. It is different from those quick hook-ups purely from mutual benefit that are doomed to fail. However, those quick hook-ups do still happen in abundance and they almost invariably run into difficulties. It's rare, I think, that the mutual benefit thing works. It does happen, especially where there's an open relationship, that somehow sometimes it does work, but I think more often than not these relationships fail.  ..its interesting how many answers a question has ...and how many grey areas and angles | |
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Fauxie said: I killed the thread.
Shoulda just said 'security and a better quality of life'.  | |
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Ocean said: Fauxie said: Of course not, though it's not all about age either and some of the issues are the same however old the two people are. In my case, Mon's actually a couple of years older than me. Let me break it down...
I was only 19 when I first came out here. Now Mon never thought I was some rich man who could buy her everything she wanted, but still, pretty much any foreigner is going to be able to give a Thai woman a better quality of life than the average Thai man could. If she'd wanted a rich, old man she could've had one, but still for a woman financial clout is very often a factor in finding a mate, since obviously it's preferable to have that rather than not. It's just one factor, but it's not a small one, I think. Mon had almost always dated foreign guys, and she'd say a large part of it is how she's treated. It's a generalisation, but not a totally unfair one, to say that Thai men have a very old-fashioned outlook on relationships, particularly when you're looking at working class Thai men. Many Thai women believe they have more freedom, of expression, of financial responsibility, of behaviour, with a foreign guy. Thai men routinely have mia-nawys (literally 'small wives') and it's almost accepted. Some women don't accept this though, or tire of it, and despite the image of the typical 'farang' in Thailand fucking every girl he can get his grubby mitts on, often foreigners are seen as being faithful compared to their Thai counterparts. Mon and I are roughly the same age, but some of the same issues still arise. She certainly welcomed the increased financial security of being with a foreigner. In my experience, if they've had that then it's rare for a girl to go back to thinking about being with a Thai. So now, as a girl, you're looking for a foreign guy. It's fair enough, but the first one that comes along isn't necessarily going to be the right one. A hasty wedding occurs and down the line there are problems. For Mon and I, she was looking for a foreign guy. I wasn't her first foreign bf so it wasn't some 'farang fever'. For me, I'd never had a gf before, back in the UK. I didn't ever even think about hooking up with someone while out here, but I ended up doing so. I don't doubt my naivety about relationships and perhaps even a need to be with someone (hey, it's not easy in your teens never having been with a girl! ) had an impact. As it turns out we fell in love, it lasted, it was genuine, and we're both very lucky. I don't think it started 100% from the most romantic place (although we did get along really well right from the beginning), but circumstances and our personalities at the time brought us together and it very quickly became something very special.
I've seen this happen with young Thai women and older foreign men too, but the situation is usually that this isn't the first relationship with a foreign man that the girl has been in. There's no hasty wedding, both parties know the score and have been around in Thailand long enough to know what it's all about. It is different from those quick hook-ups purely from mutual benefit that are doomed to fail. However, those quick hook-ups do still happen in abundance and they almost invariably run into difficulties. It's rare, I think, that the mutual benefit thing works. It does happen, especially where there's an open relationship, that somehow sometimes it does work, but I think more often than not these relationships fail. ..its interesting how many answers a question has ...and how many grey areas and anglesI agree, it was an interesting read indeed  .With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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