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PrintableAerogram said: ian said: 2the9s said: Sauseetch!!! 
I especially like your responses to #13 and to the last one. heh heh  That was a good response, KS.
However may you can riddle me this - why the f*ck am I up reading this nonsense at 3am when I have work in the morning? Eh? My theory is that some jobs are only bearable when you go to work slightly groggy. That was not a conspiracy theory, btw. | |
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IceNine said: [Snip. Flame removed. Ian] ta least I'm trying, Ice. unlike you. But I'm not gonna get into a flame war here with you. Bunch of horseshit you say? so that speaks against you, because still you havent answered one single question. so you dont even seem to UNDERSTAND the content of horseshit.  "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany"  | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: IceNine said: soulpower said: you are always talking a lot, but rarely refering to the content of my topics.
[Snip. Flame removed. Ian] It would be more horseshit if he was speaking out of a French mouth. France got their tanker bombed by terrorists and they will still hate US and coddle them. [This message was edited Thu Oct 17 14:34:58 PDT 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] Hey ICE, brotha SUPA! Look, Oceana agrees with everything you say! that should make you worried!  "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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IceNine said: Aerogram said: The questions are legitimate IF the info is sound. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the various events. What I do know is that the Bush administration was very secretive about what warnings it received and the pre-9/11 Bin Laden intelligence. Remember when several people were called unpatriotic for even wanting to ask them? That's not very healthy in a democracy, especially not when the leader is presenting himself as fighting for all that is Good against the forces of all that is evil. The moral superiority airs that Bush puts on are a major turn-off. It is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that a great amount of hypocrisy is present. The way recent information about Saddam Hussein's arsenal have been handled, it is very clear that this administration is willing to distort and exagerate. It's time the press starts asking tougher questions and that everyone stops feeling guilty, unpatriotic or anti-american for seeking some real answers. Soulpower's line of questioning is obviously hostile, but it is an healthy exercise in a media environment that feeds you prepackaged information and junk food news round the clock.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 17 15:56:58 PDT 2002 by Aerogram] My point is that this is no different than ALL government action everywhere... You can run down hundreds of pointless questions about every event in world history. George Bush is no different than 99.9% of all politicians in the world...  I agree! My offer still stands: we can talk about Germany, Israel, France, England, Sri Lanka... I'm with you on this one Ice, but that statment doesnt make my questions invalid.
and nobody could be stupid enough to think that he could be single-handedly responsible for this shit. that was YOUR conclusion. not mine. not even my conspirative brain could come up with shit like that. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Aerogram said: The questions are legitimate IF the info is sound. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the various events. What I do know is that the Bush administration was very secretive about what warnings it received and the pre-9/11 Bin Laden intelligence. Remember when several people were called unpatriotic for even wanting to ask them? That's not very healthy in a democracy, especially not when the leader is presenting himself as fighting for all that is Good against the forces of all that is evil. The moral superiority airs that Bush puts on are a major turn-off. It is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that a great amount of hypocrisy is present. The way recent information about Saddam Hussein's arsenal have been handled, it is very clear that this administration is willing to distort and exagerate. It's time the press starts asking tougher questions and that everyone stops feeling guilty, unpatriotic or anti-american for seeking some real answers. Soulpower's line of questioning is obviously hostile, but it is an healthy exercise in a media environment that feeds you prepackaged information and junk food news round the clock.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 17 15:56:58 PDT 2002 by Aerogram] I agree Aero, however this post is presented in such a way that someone who is not aware of Soulpowers relentless anti-american agenda might take his questions as bulleted points of fact. why do you still take this personal? I have made very clear many times that I am NOT Anti-American. You say you dont dig Bush, but you adapt his policy of "if you are not with me, you are against me". I am very unhappy that the Bush administration is running this country. They have acted with such beligerence. If you recall Bush was making all these plans for War against Iraq WITHOUT any debate or authorization from the other branches of government and certainly without the authorization of the people. The only reason they were willing to get the backing of Congress and go through the UN is because people just weren't having it. They have been very secretive about most EVERYTHING they touch. When this whole Enron situtation started, the administration would not give names of those that Cheney met with to form the energy policy. Turns out that Enron executives are pleading guilty to manipulating the market to bleed California dry. Chances are that Cheney and their team were aware that such tactics were legal and would be used. Why else would they refuse to step in when our Governor asked them to stop these energy giants from raping our state? They only stepped into the scene when the whole nation became affected due to the collaps of Enron. In my opinion this administration is so very dangerous. If given the chance, Bush will appoint ultra conservative judges that could see the challenge to a woman's right to choose. There is so much negativity coming out of this administration, so much damage and I for one am only backing our President because we have been attacked. If not for that, he wouldn't have one ounce of my support. Soulpower, think again next time you paint me as a Bush supporter. you have made yourself very clear now. Thanks. but please think again next time when you paint me as an Anti-American. What I'm wondering: All the things you are saying above is deep conspiracy. and you believe its possible. so why are you getting so defensive about the questions I ask up there? you know what I think: you truly misunderstood me. I believe that if we all knew each other and had a REAL conversation, you, ICE, 2the9s, Max and myself, we would have a dope conversation. [This message was edited Thu Oct 17 16:29:50 PDT 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] [This message was edited Fri Oct 18 1:52:27 PDT 2002 by soulpower] "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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funkbible said: [Snip. Flame removed. Ian] [Snip. Flame removed. Ian] "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Thank you Your Sausageness!! It doesn't take a lot to explain how and why Soulpowers incessant theories don't hold a lot of weight.
Soulpower...Are any of these responses legitimate in your eyes? [This message was edited Thu Oct 17 18:10:49 PDT 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] well, KS is the first who has made an attempt to answer the questions. however, most answers were made to make the questioner look funny, the rest was a bunch of excuses between "bad communication" and "coincidence". so all behind 9/11 is a series of communication problems and coincidences? you have sent people to the moon but you dont seem to be able to handle this one? I'm disappointed. KS really has brought out the truth about America. Its a big coincidence and the result of mis-communication. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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SoulPower,I always enjoy reading your posts.You seem to put ALOT of effort and thought into what you write.I may not agree with EVERYTHING you write,but you do make some valid points and get a good debate going.To those of you who would rather dismiss what he writes,you should realize that we are living in strange times.Anything is possible and stranger things have happened.
One thing to remember is,if Al Gore was our President right now,the Republicans would be starting a TON of crazy conspiracy theories.So,I see no harm in doing the same thing to Bush  [This message was edited Fri Oct 18 2:44:02 PDT 2002 by DavidEye] | |
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soulpower said: IceNine said: [Snip. Flame removed. Ian] ta least I'm trying, Ice. unlike you. But I'm not gonna get into a flame war here with you. Bunch of horseshit you say? so that speaks against you, because still you havent answered one single question. so you dont even seem to UNDERSTAND the content of horseshit. SoulPower...I for one would like to know YOUR answers to your own 55 questions and with those answers..your sources...  ...What you "report" (what you question)is not classified? If it were why would you ask such questions on an American website?[This message was edited Fri Oct 18 4:39:38 PDT 2002 by OCEANA] | |
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#45. For one Andrews AFB...does not have any fighter planes available (at least for combat) and they are not required to...Where as in Langley AFB is a combat command base and planes are always on alert, and considering they are jets it was only a matter minutes that mattered...NOW tell me my fellow orger why is as YOU claim, if this was a tragedy known by our government why did they,,,ANDREW's NOT have any planes ready and willing to AT LEAST protect ANDREWS AFB.(AF ONE) or The White house.. <--- the terrorist had NO idea that AF ONE would be out of town at this time...the plane that went down in Pennsylvania was suppose to have been headed to The White house...So they obviously thought Bush was there. Yes they could have had planes stationed out of langley ready and on alert to have protected Bush. | |
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OCEANA said: #45. For one Andrews AFB...does not have any fighter planes available (at least for combat) and they are not required to...Where as in Langley AFB is a combat command base and planes are always on alert, and considering they are jets it was only a matter minutes that mattered...NOW tell me my fellow orger why is as YOU claim, if this was a tragedy known by our government why did they,,,ANDREW's NOT have any planes ready and willing to AT LEAST protect ANDREWS AFB.(AF ONE) or The White house.. <--- the terrorist had NO idea that AF ONE would be out of town at this time...the plane that went down in Pennsylvania was suppose to have been headed to The White house...So they obviously thought Bush was there. Yes they could have had planes stationed out of langley ready and on alert to have protected Bush.
If that indeed is a true answer, you are the first person who has made a serious effort. I will check on what you just have said. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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Excuse me...I meant...YES they could have had planes out of langley ready at ANDREWS AFB ready and on alert. But time for work...I though my friend if you do not mind have a few of my own answers to some of your question...right or wrong...Can I take a shot? I will be home this weekend, no work I have the time then... untill then ...There are some legitamate anwsers and there are some WE not even you have answers to and and then some (questions) are just plain...NONSENSE! | |
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OCEANA said: SoulPower...I for one would like to know YOUR answers to your own 55 questions and with those answers..your sources...
...What you "report" (what you question)is not classified? If it were why would you ask such questions on an American website?
[This message was edited Fri Oct 18 4:39:38 PDT 2002 by OCEANA] I have anwers for most of those questions, Oceana. If they are the TRUTH might be another matter indeed. However, I ve put those up because people talk shit about what I write, call it wild conspiracies. They have to be damn sure about that, so answering those questions should be no big deal then. However, they still question me as the author, instead of getting into the substance. Truth is, they dont KNOW they answers either. As long as they dont even have their own theories, I can not take them seriously either. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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soulpower said: IceNine said: [Snip. Flame removed. Ian] ta least I'm trying, Ice. unlike you. But I'm not gonna get into a flame war here with you. Bunch of horseshit you say? so that speaks against you, because still you havent answered one single question. so you dont even seem to UNDERSTAND the content of horseshit. There is NO reason to answer any of your fucking stupid questions... now really, I don't hate you but I wish that you would fuck off of this site and join some anti-American group and bitch about America with them. ... [This message was edited Fri Oct 18 8:02:03 PDT 2002 by IceNine] SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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soulpower said: you have sent people to the moon but you dont seem to be able to handle this one? You are prepared to believe the moon-landing claim? That's shattered your credibility completely. ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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It is not fun to click on the forums and see constant reminders of 9/11, and other things that I stay away from the news sites to avoid.
I understand that the subjects you have brought up are what you want to discuss, and that is why we are all free to post threads... SoulPower - these are trying times, and this country (whatever people feel towards it, and/or it's citizens) still mourns the attack that took place, regardless of whatever is going around about the who dunnit stuff. Please, I am not posting to tell you to stop - just realize that not everyone wants a constant reminder of the ugliness of things we have no control over. I choose to avoid religious, political, and other discussions where, I feel, there is no way for ME to know the truth. Everything written has had a couple of hearsay's attached to it, editor's, and controlled output - unless a person has seen it with his/her own eyes (and even the human eye has difficulty, court cases prove the human eye is NOT 100% accurate), I find it hard to believe. In conclusion, it's just a never-ending circle, debating issues contrived from sources who got their info. from sources, who got their info from sources...sorta reminds me of the game where the first person whispers into the next person's ear...I went down to the river to get some water...and by the time it reaches the 20th person, it comes out as...I drink Tropicana... I hope this comes across nice, as it is well-intended. | |
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LaVisHh said: It is not fun to click on the forums and see constant reminders of 9/11, and other things that I stay away from the news sites to avoid.
I understand that the subjects you have brought up are what you want to discuss, and that is why we are all free to post threads... SoulPower - these are trying times, and this country (whatever people feel towards it, and/or it's citizens) still mourns the attack that took place, regardless of whatever is going around about the who dunnit stuff. Please, I am not posting to tell you to stop - just realize that not everyone wants a constant reminder of the ugliness of things we have no control over. I choose to avoid religious, political, and other discussions where, I feel, there is no way for ME to know the truth. Everything written has had a couple of hearsay's attached to it, editor's, and controlled output - unless a person has seen it with his/her own eyes (and even the human eye has difficulty, court cases prove the human eye is NOT 100% accurate), I find it hard to believe. In conclusion, it's just a never-ending circle, debating issues contrived from sources who got their info. from sources, who got their info from sources...sorta reminds me of the game where the first person whispers into the next person's ear...I went down to the river to get some water...and by the time it reaches the 20th person, it comes out as...I drink Tropicana... I hope this comes across nice, as it is well-intended. co-sign! | |
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Aerogram said: The questions are legitimate IF the info is sound. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the various events. What I do know is that the Bush administration was very secretive about what warnings it received and the pre-9/11 Bin Laden intelligence. Remember when several people were called unpatriotic for even wanting to ask them? That's not very healthy in a democracy, especially not when the leader is presenting himself as fighting for all that is Good against the forces of all that is evil. The moral superiority airs that Bush puts on are a major turn-off. It is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that a great amount of hypocrisy is present. The way recent information about Saddam Hussein's arsenal have been handled, it is very clear that this administration is willing to distort and exagerate. It's time the press starts asking tougher questions and that everyone stops feeling guilty, unpatriotic or anti-american for seeking some real answers. Soulpower's line of questioning is obviously hostile, but it is an healthy exercise in a media environment that feeds you prepackaged information and junk food news round the clock.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 17 15:56:58 PDT 2002 by Aerogram] you say it Aerogram! You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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C'mon now Ian! Stop snipping flames! They're the only thing that makes this thread readable. | |
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2the9s said: C'mon now Ian! Stop snipping flames! They're the only thing that makes this thread readable.
I know what you are saying... SP's shit is getting OLD and the only thing keeping it fresh is the funny flames that are directed at der fuhrer over there... SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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Right on, SoulPower. I am with you on this. I have no disagreements. Keep on funkin!!! | |
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In my most humble opinion, I do agree, constantly being reminded of the 911 tragedy in NYC causes bad memories and pain to reemerge... However, as awful as this subject is, it has meritt. I believe it should be discussed as much as possible to find out what really happend and to learn the attitudes most people have for the problems in the USA. Most people would prefer to ignore the obvious and blame others for tragedies wreaked upon them... I guess it is easier to avoid dealing with possible conspiracies US adminstrations plot against their own people instead of believing that their own kind could murder them for financial gain...
Thanks Soulpower for keeping us in formed and confirming my suspicions... It's good to know that I am not the only one living in this world with my eyes closed... | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:[quote]I agree Aero, however this post is presented in such a way that someone who is not aware of Soulpowers relentless anti-american agenda might take his questions as bulleted points of fact.[\quote]
Soulpower said [quote]why do you still take this personal? I have made very clear many times that I am NOT Anti-American. You say you dont dig Bush, but you adapt his policy of "if you are not with me, you are against me".[\quote] I'm not advocating a blind stance like Bush. It seems that all I ever see in your posts is the desire to turn American public opinion completely against our own government. I actually agree with some of your opinions and thoughts, however the questions in this post are leading. They are structured in such a way that it seems that you are citing information you've read or heard. All I'm asking is for you to provide the proof to back up your information. Supa said:[quote]I am very unhappy that the Bush administration is running this country...Soulpower, think again next time you paint me as a Bush supporter.[\quote] Soulpower said: [quote]you have made yourself very clear now. Thanks. but please think again next time when you paint me as an Anti-American. What I'm wondering: All the things you are saying above is deep conspiracy. and you believe its possible. so why are you getting so defensive about the questions I ask up there? you know what I think: you truly misunderstood me. I believe that if we all knew each other and had a REAL conversation, you, ICE, 2the9s, Max and myself, we would have a dope conversation.[quote] It is obvious that we had MASSIVELY HUGE intelligence failures. I don't believe that the CIA, FBI or US Government were sitting on this information just allowing it to happen. I believe that the insane amout of bureaucracy prevented information from being examined, shared and dealt with in a propper manner. I also believe more in the fact that as a nation we were asleep at the wheel, never expecting such a vicious attack on our very own soil. Surely there needs to be some culpability in the failures of the government in dealing with the intelligence they had but I would need more proof than just "questions" to lead me in the direction your heading. No doubt if we were all face to face we would certainly have an incredible debate on ths subject. I don't have ill feelings towards you at all, actually your rather cute  [This message was edited Fri Oct 18 12:52:28 PDT 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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soulpower said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: IceNine said: soulpower said: you are always talking a lot, but rarely refering to the content of my topics.
[Snip. Flame removed. Ian] It would be more horseshit if he was speaking out of a French mouth. France got their tanker bombed by terrorists and they will still hate US and coddle them. [This message was edited Thu Oct 17 14:34:58 PDT 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] Hey ICE, brotha SUPA! Look, Oceana agrees with everything you say! that should make you worried! ...IceNine is the one with the intell around here and the FRIENDLY ONE...And we all kNOW OCEANA... ...With NO INTELL.."UNFRIENDLY !...What does that tell you? Are you the worried one? [This message was edited Fri Oct 18 13:59:16 PDT 2002 by OCEANA] | |
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I think its possible that SOMEONE within the American government had advanced knowledge, and did nothing to prevent them, but I won't point the finger at Bush. The man has to have Laura tie his shoes in the morning, so I doubt he could have come up with such a scheme.
Let us never lose sight that the man who holds the position of president in the US has the brain of a sea-cucumber (apologies to any sea-cucumbers who may be on this board). 
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2the9s said: C'mon now Ian! Stop snipping flames! They're the only thing that makes this thread readable.
Sorry! It IS hard removing the flames and keeping the thread readable. | |
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OCEANA said: #45. For one Andrews AFB...does not have any fighter planes available (at least for combat) and they are not required to...Where as in Langley AFB is a combat command base and planes are always on alert, and considering they are jets it was only a matter minutes that mattered...NOW tell me my fellow orger why is as YOU claim, if this was a tragedy known by our government why did they,,,ANDREW's NOT have any planes ready and willing to AT LEAST protect ANDREWS AFB.(AF ONE) or The White house.. <--- the terrorist had NO idea that AF ONE would be out of town at this time...the plane that went down in Pennsylvania was suppose to have been headed to The White house...So they obviously thought Bush was there. Yes they could have had planes stationed out of langley ready and on alert to have protected Bush. OK...Now  the other 54 questions I have to first say  ...You have to much time on your hands...You need to come to the US and get an education ! #9. Ramzi Yousef when cought did tell the CIA that they did intend to finish the job after the bombing of the WTC...He said that they underestimated the strength of those buildings. This was no SECRET...We (the U.S.) took its precausions but after , years later had NO IDEA they would crash U.S COMMERCIAL planes into the buildings. This was IMPOSSIBLE for us to even imagine. #15. The whole U.S. Military was put on full alert..DELTA..We sent planes, ships, men everywhere in order to protect U.S. Soil...WE HAD JUST BEEN ATTACKED! We were ready to defend and if so,,also to attack. DUH ! #24. Bush was informed within minutes...of the first hit. It was filmed because he was doing a speech at a school and it was being taped. This is a FACT! SoulPower...The rest of your questions...I would like you to answer...show us your credibility...OR go preach or teach in another country. If you need any help or insight READ ... STUDY OF REVENGE: The first world trade center attack & Saddam Hussein's war against America. Author..LAURIE MYLROIE...She is also Coauthor of the New York times #1 BEST-SELLER : Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf.;;;OR is she a part of the "CONSPIRACY" also..! | |
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