Serious said:

That's what I meant. I mean, it sucked for me because I had a few schoolboy crushes for girls that were cute, but I began getting frumpy and chubby around the second grade and stayed that way up until I was sixteen years old and now I maintain. I actually used to be thin from the times I was born to the time I was eight. So thin that my head was like that my head stood out like that animated martian character would always ask, "WHERE IS THE MODULATOR??!!!?" I ad the pencilneck to go with it and everything.

But, I never received the type of pointing and staring treatment that a lot of women have that I would see receiving it. Women are pressured "MORE" than men to keep their weight. Common knowledge, dude! Just look at Christopher Wallace, man! I mean, sure. He might be deceased. But, while he was alive, he got around. Big Pun. Ya think he didn't get the ladies (Married or not.)? If so, think again! Dudes can have it bad. But, not as bad as the women.....
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Rhondab said:

Such hypocrisy. So it's ok to be judgmental towards women who are either in shape or thin, but how dare anybody judge a woman who is overweight??

Oh, and by the way, these pictures are NOT the same thing as Jennifer Love Hewitt 's out of shape body!!!

First of all, my opinion is just that. MY OPINION.

Secondly, and i feel i say this all the time in here, i'm here to discuss topics that i find interesting. Sometimes i'm in agreement with the majority, but more often than not i'm in the minority and that's just fine by me considering I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE FRIENDS OR TO TROLL FOR "CYBER-DATES". I could careless if anyone in here likes or agrees with me EVER.

Now, to the point at hand.

Count me as one of those that used to be really hot for JLH a few years back before her ass and legs exploded. She wasn't a "twig". She was "in-shape". I tend to go for brunettes, and yeah her kick-ass rack surely helped the cause.

Of COURSE, i hold her to a higher standard than i would a normal girl for the following reasons. A) SHE MAKES A TON OF FREAKING MONEY. She most likely blows in a month what some people in here probably make in a year. Certainly enough to hire a nutritionist and a trainer. B) She gets PAID this ridiculous amounts of money to be on TELEVISION. Not radio, she's not an author, she gets paid for the most part, BASED ON HOW SHE LOOKS.

Now, if she's "met the man of her dreams" and feels all of a sudden comfortable putting on about 40 pounds around the hips, waist and legs, fine. So be it. She's also painfully aware of the fact that she's famous, and if she's on vacation there's probably going to be some pictures taken. WOULD IT KILL YOU TO THROW ON A ONE-PIECE??? Then, problem solved!!!! Wear a sarong!!! Then there's nothing to talk about? Don't throw on a little ass bikini and then be shocked that people noticed that you've inhaled a cake or two.

So there you go. If she was a normal girl looking like that, of course i'd probably do it. She's still a pretty girl. Doesn't mean i can't notice that she looked A TON BETTER before she let herself go.

And don't worry 'bout me ladies.
I do alright with ya'll.
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FarrahMoan said:

Don't get it twisted.
That's not a "weight" thing, that's a MONEY thing.

Same could be said for Oprah. Like Stedman would be there if she wasn't rich.
Ditto for Star Jones' man.

Sure women get worse somewhat, but it's not COMPLETELY one-sided. Not even close.

FarrahMoan said:

Don't get it twisted.
That's not a "weight" thing, that's a MONEY thing.

Same could be said for Oprah. Like Stedman would be there if she wasn't rich.
Ditto for Star Jones' man.

Sure women get worse somewhat, but it's not COMPLETELY one-sided. Not even close.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Oh give me a break. Fat men and women who are broke asses are in relationships. all around us. The difference is that women are criticized far more than men for their looks in general.

You're trying to tell us that Oprah is a useless person and not attractive to anyone because she is overweight? That no man could possibly love her and they just use her for her money? What a retarded thing to say.

And, for better or worse, women are starting to be more demanding of men because they are such targets themselves. Many of them think...well, if I have to be perfect he should too.

It's not one sided...sure, but in no way is it even remotely close to the same for both sexes.

Women get laid when they feel like it.
Men get laid when WOMEN LET THEM.

JustErin said:

Good lord. I know i'm the org "lightning rod" but do ya'll even bother to read me anymore?

Where exactly did i say that "fat people are useless and doomed to a life of solitude"? Um, nowhere????

There are fat folks all over the world, doing their thing.

Someone used the example of Notorious B.I.G and Big Pun getting hot chicks even though they're big. I said that's an example of celebrity and then drew a line to Oprah and Star Jones. Didn't say they were "useless". I said if they weren't RICH they probably wouldn't have the caliber of guy that they have.


And AGAIN, i think women like to whine about this shit.
Sure they're judged somewhat to a higher standard, but in these days of the "metrosexual" that gap is closing ladies. And you know it.

And another thing, here's WHY i don't feel bad for ya'll.
And i LOVE women. Believe me, i'm a FAN.
And you probably won't believe this coming from a "chauvinist". (i'm really not, i just play one on the internet)


Here it is.

Women HAVE ALL THE POWER.
Women RULE THE WORLD.

It's true.

There is a universal truth that applies to ALL women. Big, small, short, tall.




Ready?

Women get laid when they feel like it.
Men get laid when WOMEN LET THEM.

CalhounSq said:

No, what i'm saying is the following.
Salma Hayek's always been a good kind of "thick". Been in love with her since that amazing scene where we saw her for the first time in "Desperado". In that pic above, she looks thicker around the face, neck and hips. Not "fat", "thicker".

I've never been into Beyonce that much, but in the pic above that's the hottest she's ever looked, because she knew she was posing for the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. She looks amazing in that shot. She normally doesn't look THAT good.

I've never thought Nicole Richie was hot regardless of the weight, because her raccoon eyes bug the crap out of me.

And, Paris Hilton just isn't my type. I don't go for blondes. I think she looks pretty good for her weight, but i guess i'm not attracted to the rich, vapid heiress type. I've seen some pics of her where she looks pretty good and some where she looks pretty haggard.

truefunksoldier said:

Who is judging someone who is in shape? I think most have said that she could use some toning up. The ass is a little droppy BUT she's not bad looking at all. I'm sorry...Nicole looks sick. Oh well. Paris maybe finally eating food now...not as bad but still too thin in my book.

ok....here's Bouncy's ass...fair is fair...right....

First of all, my opinion is just that. MY OPINION.

More of a self reassurance, no doubt.

truefunksoldier said:

Who is judging someone who is in shape? I think most have said that she could use some toning up. The ass is a little droppy BUT she's not bad looking at all. I'm sorry...Nicole looks sick. Oh well. Paris maybe finally eating food now...not as bad but still too thin in my book.



ok....here's Bouncy's ass...fair is fair...right....

JustErin said:

Good lord. I know i'm the org "lightning rod" but do ya'll even bother to read me anymore?

Where exactly did i say that "fat people are useless and doomed to a life of solitude"? Um, nowhere????

There are fat folks all over the world, doing their thing.

Someone used the example of Notorious B.I.G and Big Pun getting hot chicks even though they're big. I said that's an example of celebrity and then drew a line to Oprah and Star Jones. Didn't say they were "useless". I said if they weren't RICH they probably wouldn't have the caliber of guy that they have.


And AGAIN, i think women like to whine about this shit.
Sure they're judged somewhat to a higher standard, but in these days of the "metrosexual" that gap is closing ladies. And you know it.

And another thing, here's WHY i don't feel bad for ya'll.
And i LOVE women. Believe me, i'm a FAN.
And you probably won't believe this coming from a "chauvinist". (i'm really not, i just play one on the internet)


Here it is.

Women HAVE ALL THE POWER.
Women RULE THE WORLD.

It's true.

There is a universal truth that applies to ALL women. Big, small, short, tall.




Ready?

Women get laid when they feel like it.
Men get laid when WOMEN LET THEM.

My point is that everyone gets on me for saying that JLH is overweight, but it's ok for you to say someone looks "nasty", because the person you're saying looks nasty is thin. That's hypocrisy.

Rhondab said:

Again, that picture looks good, not overweight. JLH's picture is OVERWEIGHT!!

Rhondab said:

I sincerely means this when I say that I would smooch those cheeks with pride.

ButterscotchPimp said:

HAHAHAHA!

Ok, you ARE that stupid.

Caliber!!!

And no one wants to whine about something that makes us feel like utter shit because we don't fit into this unnatural standard many men have (yes, unnatural as women are supposed to carry some extra weight in certain areas).

Please.

It's also interesting to me that often the most critical ones are the same ones that do not fit into that standard themselves.

You people do realize that cellulite happens pretty much to all women no matter their weight? It's natural, and can't be helped or treated. You do get that right??

Even the fittest of women can get it. Even the thinnest.



So what then? Women are just naturally designed unattractive to you guys?

You people do realize that cellulite happens pretty much to all women no matter their weight? It's natural, and can't be helped or treated. You do get that right??

Even the fittest of women can get it. Even the thinnest.



So what then? Women are just naturally designed unattractive to you guys?

JustErin said:

Really, Erin?
How am i "that stupid"?

Women are "supposed to carry some extra weight in certain areas"?
Is that a fact or an excuse? I don't think there's a health expert in the country THESE days that thinks that?

We are UNHEALTHY. Pick your debate. Are we talking fashion-wise or health-wise? Fashion-wise, you "might" something to debate. Health-wise you don't! Period!!!! Recent studies have proven that even being slightly overweight shortens your life-span.

And really, Erin. Do you feel like "shit"?
Because i wouldn't count myself as an "Org-regular", but even i can see there's LINES of people in here that think you're the bees knees. So pardon me if i don't think you have it THAT bad.

Keep it real, girly.

applekisses said:

it's done to all promo shots, then as soon as an unflattering paparazzi shot is published, then it's all "my! she HAS let herself go!"

JustErin said:

Didn't say "cellulite" = "ugly".

Said, JLH's ass looked unattractive in that bikini.


And PLEASE tell me that you're not trotting out the Enquirer and Star Magazine as examples. Please??
[Edited 12/5/07 8:27am]

Being self-absorbed and obsessed on people's looks will really take one far. When you're old and you've made decisions based on superficial horse shit (like how perfect you are), you'll be alone in a house full of cats, all wrinkles, talking about how hot you were when you were young.

Maybe you'll be so healthy and then a bus runs you over, really in shape/healthy going to do you a lot of good then, maybe your attractive friends will all come running

Healthy is one thing but JLH doesn't look unhealthy, she just looks like she could be a little healthier. While beauty is only skin deep, the ugliness of people's minds here is straight to the bone.

CalhounSq said:

Actually, not to brag (well, okay i guess i am a little) i'm the same size i was in high school. And i've worked HARD to keep it that way. Of course she looks beautiful in the pic above, but she's looked not as thick in the face and neck. I'm betting she was pregnant in that pic.

I wouldn't fuck Paris or Nicole with a body condom.


And again, i know it's not the popular opinion but here's my take on "society's view of women". There are times where they get a little out of hand (i.e. Twiggy in the 60's, Kate Moss in the 90's) but i think for the most part they get it right.

The problem is America's lazy and fat and PC, and wants to make an excuse for EVERYTHING. We're the FATTEST AND UNHEALTHIEST nation in the ENTIRE WORLD.

IF that were JLH's size, then it is. But it's NOT. That ass isn't just FAT, it's SLOPPY. That's not "genetics", that's "pie". And considering UNLIKE most Americans in today's economy that might have an excuse for being out of shape (working lots of hours, less money usually translates to poor eating habits, FAST FOOD) she doesn't have that excuse. I'm sorry, but SHE'S LOOKED BETTER. That's not me trying to "tear her down", that's just a fact.
[Edited 12/4/07 17:42pm]

ButterscotchPimp said:

You think cellulite is ok then? Why should she cover her ass?

And no, I knew that Paris had been picked on for having cellulite so I did a search on her name.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Interesting,... does not seem like much else has changed. Obviously you have the same mentality that you had in high school to match your size. Its amazing to me that someone would flaunt this, and at the same time make such "high school" remarks. Disgustingly superficial....
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Rob Stein
Washington Post
Aug. 23, 2006 12:00 AM


WASHINGTON - Bad news for all those baby boomers starting to pile on the pounds as they go through middle age: You don't have to be obese, just a little overweight, to increase your risk of dying prematurely, according to a large government study.

The 10-year study of more than 500,000 U.S. adults found that those who were just slightly overweight in their 50s were 20 to 40 percent more likely to die in the next decade. Another study involving more than 1 million South Korean adults, also being published in this week's New England Journal of Medicine, produced similar results.

The studies, both released Tuesday, were aimed at helping resolve a long debate over whether the millions of Americans who are not obese but are nevertheless considered overweight are at significant risk. advertisement




"These findings are very important," said Michael Leitzmann of the National Cancer Institute, which led the U.S. study. "A substantial proportion of the population in the U.S. is overweight. So if overweight is related to premature death, that's very important to public health."

The findings are particularly relevant to the large number of baby boomers who are going through that critical period of middle age when people typically gain weight.

"What we need to do is try to encourage people to maintain a healthy weight and avoid weight gain," Leitzmann said.

The findings were welcomed by public health and obesity experts as powerful new evidence that people should do whatever they can to maintain a healthful weight.

"The take-home message is that if you are not obese but just overweight, it's still a good idea to lose weight," said Thomas Wadden, president of the Obesity Society. "It's kind of a bummer, but maybe this will help motivate people that it's time to do something about their weight."

Skeptics, however, remain unconvinced, saying the analysis was flawed and would alarm people unnecessarily.

"I think they are just adding to the obesity hysteria," said Glenn Gaesser of the University of Virginia at Charlottesville. "They are presenting the data in a way that paints overweight and obesity in the worst possible light. It's not as bad as they make it seem."



Studies clearly show that obesity increases the risk for a host of ailments - including heart disease, diabetes, cancer and arthritis - and that obese people are more likely to die prematurely.

Although people who are overweight but not obese have been found to have an increased risk of diabetes and are more likely to have high blood pressure and cholesterol levels that put them at increased risk of heart attacks, it has been unclear whether they are more likely to die prematurely.

In the hope of helping settle the question, the National Cancer Institute launched the new study, involving 527,265 men and women ages 50 to 71. The researchers asked the subjects detailed questions about their health and lifestyles, including their diet and physical activity, as well as their height and weight, including how much they weighed when they were 50.

After a decade, the researchers found that those who were overweight when they were 50 were at significantly elevated risk of dying prematurely and that those who were obese were two to three times more likely. Just being overweight was not nearly as dangerous but still boosted the risk by 20 to 40 percent, the study said.



But other researchers are not convinced, saying the findings are questionable for a number of reasons, including the fact that the weight data relied on the participants' recollections, which are notoriously unreliable, instead of direct measurements. Also, the sample was not necessarily representative of the general population.

"I feel like the researchers were trying to manipulate their data to match their conclusion," said Linda Bacon of the University of California-Davis.



Other researchers said they hoped to move the debate beyond arguing over what level of being overweight was dangerous to focusing on finding better ways to prevent people from gaining weight in the first place.

just some reading material.....