Wow you just ran the gamut.... in order to have a cohesive conversation you'll have to narrow down and hone in on a point. Not that I didn't get you all n all but the point is quite vast!

Your thoughts on why the old system of things, which includes today's version of "news" (seeing a screen crawl about Lindsey Lohan getting out of rehab on the E! channel, and them having the nerve to call it news), people who think you have to go through them to get where you want in the world, no matter what kind of success you are seeking, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a house that isn't even worth half of it, and your spending that much money leaving everyone else to think they have to charge more to survive, etc - your thoughts on why the old system of things doesn't realize it must pass away?

Got it. Where do you think it stems from, this ethical breakdown?

wildgoldenhoney said:

I think it stems from there not being enough love in the world (it's your fault, for writing love a hunnert times - LOL). People do strange things when they don't get raised on love.

TANKAEFC said:

Aren't I a bad influence?

Hey, that's true, if you're raised in a harsh (home) environment, it can affect your personality, in turn how you deal with others. I think that some bad qualities can develop too, like anger if raised with violence. I think there was some research done to show that if children don't have that mother-child bond, they can lack emotional nutrients (can't think of a better word) this can also have an affect, I think cold-hearted sometimes, or it's hard for them to develop emotionally. And nowadays you find very young girls (generally speaking) having babies who are not developed enough emotionally to raise a child who needs love to thrive.

Sad when you think about it.

wildgoldenhoney said:

Well, yes, and there's a Prince lyric (from Sexuality) - "no child is bad from the beginning, they only imitate their atmosphere" - so if they are doing this, that's a pretty damned sad commentary.
~~~Really? I find this interesting! And it's so true. It's how much you put into something that will determine the results that you will get. Or what I mean is, if you take the time to teach your children values you will yield a good, respectful, balanced, happy, secure child who in turn respects and loves others just as much as he loves himself.

I remember a couple years ago, when I lived in SD, I was at one of my favorite (gay) bars, right after it had just opened. Right while I was having a conversation with the bartender about an event I was putting on later in the week, two kids came in and then darted out. One of them said, as he left, "omigod, this is some gay-ass f*cking shit" and then ran out. He smacked of being a closet case, but in my mind, I don't care if you ARE a closet case or not, you just don't come into somebody's house like that - it's RUDE!
~~~There is no excuses, rude is rude.

This is just one example of many, and it's not even about one particular issue.
It's about the mentality I cited when I started this thread, of "I'm gonna do whatever regardless, so get out of my way" that we had better take a look at dealing with if we want things to get better.
~~~Have you heard of the 'me-first' mentality of putting self first before others? Or just being plain old inconsiderate? Somehow, I think this is an actual term to describe this type of attitude.


I also think it's an issue of "kids raising kids."
~~~Each successive generation does pass it on to the next. But that cycle can be broken, again, if parents can teach the kids. I'm not judging how people raise their kids but just saying because you get the results of whatever effort you put into something.