JustErin said:

thanks Erin...I was really just being facetious.

Rhondab said:

Argh.

I can never tell on here.



Anyway, tell your daughter to be careful with the amount of sun she gets but that she should get at least some each day.

Rhondab said:

As someone who has had to deal with sunblock every day of her life, I'm happy to help. Also, just cause your skin already has color doesn't mean you shouldn't ever use sunblock. It's my undertsanding rays can hurt you even if you're not getting burnt. Maybe that's just a marketing technique, though.

In any case, you should generally always use a sunblock of spf 15 or higher, remembering to reapply every couple of hours, after swimming or after activity that makes you sweat a lot. If they want to get a little color, they can use a sunscreen of spf 8 or so, but still remember to reapply as often.

Personally - I use sunblock on my face every single day, 15 in the winter, 30 or so in the summer, mainly cause I'm outside more often and for longer periods in the summer. I can't be outside with exposed skin for more than 15 minutes without something on or I'll get burned. I wear 45 on my body and reapply every hour. It's a lot of work to be outside. But it's worth it.

CarrieMpls said:

so you can't tan when you wear this stuff....right? I'm clueless but I need to learn.

Rhondab said:

Not sunblock.

Rhondab said:

If you tan when wearing sunblock, you're not wearing a high enough spf or you're not applying it often enough.

The sunscreens will let sun through somewhat and will allow color.

For me to get tan I could wear an spf 8 and lay out for half an hour a day for a month and at the end of the month I'd have a little bit of color.

CarrieMpls said:

ohhhhh I see!!



Thanks Carrie...i'm telling you, i was confused.

Rhondab said:

I swim laps, so I use sunscreen on my face, and arms. Water-resistant products are available. A good standby is Bullfrog . Do Not Put on Face!(I rubbed my eyes after applying bullfrog and nearly went blind)
There are products specific for the face that don't irritate the eyes. Check the label. Alot of foundations have an spf. That way, you're using protection, without thinking about it. I use Chanel products with spf 15.

Rhondab said:

No problem.

Also - a free little tip. Sunglasses that block UV rays are GREAT for you. In addition to blocking the rays to your eyes and the skin around your eyes, they keep you from squinting all the time. All of that helps prevent lines and wrinkles around the eyes. I never leave home without sunglasses.

I never even cared about sunblock/screen but come to find out the moisturizers I use all have some degree of sun protection in them. And my liquid makeup does too I don't get the opportunity to tan often but if I'm ever in the Carribean again or Hawaii I will have my ass out there, I look better when I'm darker

Another reason to stay pasty white

Rhondab said:

YES! Here's what you need to know: If your child sunburns and peels THREE times before the age of 13, her chances of skin cancer (a/k/a melanoma) are DRAMATICALLY increased.

Go here for more information: http://www.mdanderson.org...kincancer/

And here's a lot of good sunscreen information:

Take this true or false quiz to see what you know.

Sun protection factors do not vary greatly.

True. A sunscreen’s sun protection factor (SPF), a scale for rating the level of sunburn protection, does not increase proportionately with each SPF level.

“For example, SPF 15 absorbs 93% of the sun's burning rays, while SPF 30 absorbs 97%,” Drucker says.

Most dermatologists recommend an SPF of at least 15. Beyond that, there is little difference between 15 and 30, 45 or 60.

Sunscreens reduce exposure of all ultraviolet rays.

False. A sunscreen's SPF only reflects the product's screening ability for ultraviolet radiation B (UVB rays). UVB rays are more likely than ultraviolet radiation A (UVA rays) to cause sunburn, but UVA rays pass deeper into the skin, according to the NCI.

Currently, there is no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved rating system that identifies and rates UVA protection.

Still, most sunscreens offer some UVA protection, so people should look for sunscreen that addresses UVA and UVB rays. Broad-spectrum sunscreens, which contain ingredients such as zinc oxide and titanium dioxide, offer the best UVA protection.

People also should remember that ultraviolet rays come from sun lamps and tanning beds, as well as the sun.

Children do not need special sunscreen.

True. “Children older than six months can use the same sunscreen as adults,” Drucker says. “For infants younger than six months, just cover them up.”

Sunscreen must be reapplied often.

True. Sunscreen should be applied to dry skin 15-30 minutes before going outdoors and reapplied every two hours. One ounce (enough to fill a shot glass) is considered the amount needed to properly cover any exposed areas of the body. Lips can get sunburned, too, so it is important to apply a lip balm that contains sunscreen with SPF 15 or higher.

Many factors reduce sunscreen effectiveness.

True. Sunscreen protection can be altered by wind, humidity, perspiration and facial movement, as well as uneven product application. Many people also wait too long to reapply.

Waterproof sunscreens protect completely.

False. The terms "waterproof" and "sweatproof" are no longer allowed by the FDA because no sunscreen is waterproof. "Water-resistant" is more accurate.

It is safe to use sunscreen on a daily basis.

True. All sunscreens are safe to use on a daily basis. No evidence exists that suggests daily use of sunscreen is unsafe.

Sunscreen blocks out the sun.

False. Properly applying sunscreen on a regular basis greatly reduces a person's exposure to the sun's harmful rays, but it does not eliminate sun exposure.

"Most people have the misconception that sunscreen use allows a person to spend unlimited time in the sun," Drucker says.

In addition to wearing sunscreen, people should also:

Avoid the sun between 10:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m.
Seek shade whenever possible
Wear protective clothing, such as:
Wide-brimmed hats
Long-sleeved shirts
Pants
Sunglasses
Avoid tanning beds

Sunscreen can lead to vitamin D deficiency.

False. Just a small amount of sunlight – not a suntan – is needed to meet the body's daily recommended requirement for vitamin D. Sunscreens do not contribute to vitamin D deficiency because regular sunscreen use does not eliminate sun exposure. Taking a daily supplement of vitamin D can further alleviate concerns about this issue.

According to the American Cancer Society (ACS), more than one million cases of basal cell and squamous cell cancers, the most common types of skin cancer, occur annually. The most serious form of skin cancer is melanoma, which the ACS estimates will be diagnosed in 60,000 people in 2007.

I've read European sunscreens are way ahead of American ones because in Europe sunscreen is seen as a cosmetic, where in the US it's seen as a medication.

Therefore, European sunscreens are up to date with the latest formulas, but it takes the FDA years to approve of new formulas in America, and the US is lagging--Especially in the UVA (cancer causing) dep't.

You can order European sunscreen through Canadian medication websites, though. I've used L'Oreal Ombrelle, SPF 15.

NDRU said:

and european standards seem to be much higher. so much so that they refuse to import most food product produced here in the US.

sooo what does that say about the US

horatio said:

um, maybe that when you have mad cow disease you don't care if you have melanoma

NDRU said:

CalhounSq said:

I think also her Party ways/drugs also took their parts on her.

I saw Brigette Nielson in person in about '86 and she looked pretty bad even then. Way too skinny & unhealthy looking. I almost wasn't sure it was her.

horatio said:

that's actually an entirely different issue that is very misunderstood by most people, including those that instituted the restrictions. it's closely related to my job, so i could probably write about 10 pages on it. but that's not what the org is for