I have a 9mm I carry on me and believe me...those pups would've been history...

I say this and will debate it at a minimum if you'd like, but I say this, Pit Bulls are TRAINED by people to be vicious.... they are an agressive breed for sure, but it takes some time to train them to be killers or to hunt...and that's what we have here...once a PIt Bull is turned out...they may as well be euthanized because they cannot be rehabilitated...

I own a pitbull...his name is Toby...and he is a very loving dog. I have no problem with letting my kids 12, 9, and 7) play unsupervised with him. Also, he loves other dogs....even if they are overtly aggressive to him, he does not retaliate in any way...

pardonme4livin said:

Now you are going to have all the non dog owners, or people with rodent dogs (less than ten punds) on your case, dude.

i mean damn, the org turned into dog debate central.

All "dangerous breeds" need to be handled with an experienced handler. Everyone forgot about dobermans, rotts, mastiffs, and german shepards.

I have to really roll my eyes at alllll of this.

The Little Rascals' dog was a pit, RCA old logo, at pit.

And think about it...not trying to be funny, but make a wish grants stuff for a lot of people than can't afford it. Duh..med care is STUPID high. But I bet you anything, it was out in the country, in a "marginalized" area (any one in the South would understand) and them pits were probabally half lab, quarter chow, and whatever. And I bet it was some dumb ass owners that let them run.



I swear, y'all.....

KatSkrizzle said:

My dog Toby looks just like Petey from the Lil Rascals.....

pardonme4livin said:

Ocean said:

You could still beat his ass!!!.....without a life-vest!

One4All4Ever said:

OK. It's education time again!

The American Bull Terrier (a.k.a. Pit Bull) was once considered the perfect family pet dog. They R affectionate, even clingy, and very obedient. They can learn nearly anything.

One of their traits is tenacity... their power of determination is strong.

The people who train them 2 fight know this, and use this trait, because they just don't give up.

The ones U read about killing or biting anything or anyone were raised by owners who trained them 2 be that way. Usually, isolation, starvation, abuse, and feeding them things like gunpowder, R how they accomplish this.

If U raise a Pit Bull the right way, as U would raise any other dog, then they R wonderful.

U should introduce them 2 as many other dogs and people as possible 2 socialize them. They R truly the friendliest dogs you'll ever meet when raised properly.

Don't believe me?

Come meet my boy Nicco.

Peace.
[Edited 10/26/07 14:15pm]

Giovanni777 said:

There it is... well said Giovanni

Giovanni777 said:

I definatley know nature vs. nurture is important. I know a lady who owns a damned poodle that is semi-mistreated, and that fucker is mean as hell.
If it weren't for the fact that it is so small, that ill tempered beast would be dangerous.

But as far as PitBulls being raised right....


Actually my friend, named Dan too, is being sued right now by a girl who was bitten by his pet Pit Bull Terrior.

The Dog bit her on her face causing some damage, and she's having to have corrective surgery.

Basically she was in his house arguing with his roomate. When got up off the couch to leave, the dog lunged at her and bit her in the face.


This is a dog that is nurtured, and loved, and came from a breeder--not some factory farm deal. I personally really liked the dog, but I only saw her (the dog) as a pup.



Should the fact that certain breeds, whether they're nurtured correctly or not, have the potential--just the potential--of causing great injury, be reason enough to restrict their purchase, or even ban?

I belive Pit Bulls and Rotweillers outnumber all other breeds in fatal attacks each year, right?

This is strange because Pit Bulls don't have any natural tendency 2 attack humans at all. They do like 2 go after small animals, although my Nicco plays with a couple of Pugs (tiny), and he actually runs away from them. He does try 2 chase cats and squirrels.

check out this link for more info:

http://www.pitbulllovers....ssion.html

"A correct Pit Bull will never be aggressive with people. The Pit Bull has been breed for centuries to be a human-friendly dog.

It is not a guardian breed, and therefore should not display suspicion towards strangers or view them as potential threats. It is uncommon for a Pit Bull to be overly shy.

The Pit Bull is likely to meet all strangers with an open heart and a wagging tail. A normal Pit Bull looks upon all people as friends unless their actions prove otherwise.

Generally Pit Bulls are submissive with people and confident in their surroundings, making for a well-adjusted family dog. Since times past when the Pit Bull was used for hunting of large game and as a farm dog, it has been a cherished fixture of family life.

The Pit Bull has a special fondness for children and a pleased, relaxed look crosses its face when they approach. It can prove to be a safe, hardy friend that can keep up and put up with the active play life of kids. For a child, no better companion can be found."

Imago said:

[Edited 10/26/07 14:40pm]

Imago said:

Well Dan I say this because I love you....

All animals are deadly given the right circumstances...they are animals. I know a house cat that sliced a woman's face to shreds about ten years ago.....she almost died from the blood loss....and it was a damn cat.... toy dogs and animals that are small in stature are obviously less likely to kill someone, BUT they too can and do cause serious injury....

You can never tell when an animal might turn on you.... the same could be said for other humans for that matter... my experience is that pit-bulls, like the german sheppard and the rottweiler and the boxer I used to own, all have the potential to be scary and dangerous.....but mine have all been very loving and playful.

Giovanni777 said:

yes, I've read the literature about how the breed is affection,etc.

But I can attest personally that Dolly (her name ) lunged and bit this girl's face. It shocked everyone, including Dan, who raised her as his "baby girl"--not some monster, etc.

My fear is that sure--it was a full grown woman that was the victim--but it could have just as easily been a kid, etc.

pardonme4livin said:

I agree. One morning when I was 7, I had the misfortune of seeing my mom wearing a blood soaked nightgown from having been attacked by a stray cat.

However, if the cat had been twice the size, and powerful, my mom may not have been alive, you know?

Shouldn't the potential (power, etc.) coupled with figures which state these breeds outnumber others in fatal attacks, require stricter oversight? Should the potential to do damange be as important as the upbrigning?



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[Edited 10/26/07 14:57pm]

Imago said:

As long as we live in a world where we try to domesticate wild creatures...the threat will always be there....people can purchase rattle snakes, alligators and bees for that matter without much red tape.... just to adopt Toby, we had to go through a 7 day evaluation period and a back ground check...that should be more than enough....

pardonme4livin said:

Leaving ANY dog to "play" unsupervised with your kids is asking for trouble - children can be very mean to everybody including animals, they're constantly testing the borders and what's acceptable and what isn't. It doesn't matter that you've taught your kids to be gentle with the dog, you've taught them to be gentle with other children and with you, too, and I'm willing to bet they haven't always been. It's not fair to the dog (again, ANY breed of dog) and it's not fair to the children - it's not the children that get put down if they've been mean to the dog and it paid back. Also, most children don't have dogs at home but they dream of having one - so when they're with a dog they want the dog to pay attention to only them. Have you ever heard a bunch of kids "playing" with a dog? "Come here Buster, sit Buster, fetch the ball Buster", all at the same time. Enough to drive anybody insane, jus' saying.

It's sad about the horse, but this shit wouldn't have gotten half as much press if a) The MaW foundation hadn't been involved, b) the owner of the pony hadn't been a cancer patient, and c) if the dogs had been golden retrievers.

Teacher said:

All true teacher.....

Teacher said:

when i was younger i watched my step brother and cousin pour water and saw dust all over a sweet collie and it got pissed off and nipped one of them.
And they made it out that they werent doing anything wrong.

Giovanni777 said:

isn't that exactly what I said in one single sentence ?

Dan, you asked the question, if rottweilers and pits don't cause more attacks than other breeds - not in Sweden they don't, here it's golden retrievers and jack russell terriers, and I'm not even kidding - people think cos they're labeled as "family dogs" they won't bite no matter what happens. Well, guess again. As for the US (some cities in Canada has prohibited the owning of pitbulls) the answer is yes, but imo only cos the WRONG DAMN PEOPLE get these dogs - there's an enormous surplus of puppies bred to fight, some get used as bait/fighting training (the fighting dogs get to tear them to pieces as "practice"), some get to be breeding dogs themselves and some get to be fighting dogs but the rest are of no use to the fighting organisers (they only cost money and take up space) so they either kill them or give them away to whoever wants. It stands to reason that the people these characters know are not the best prospective dog owners, so the outcome/destiny/future of the dog is corresponding to that.
The other thing is that people breed these dogs cos they're status symbols with some, and therefore you can make money off of breeding and selling them.

I'd like to reiterate something I've said before, over and over - these dogs are NOT bred to kill, not originally. They're bred to be persistent, and that's an unfortunate trait in the wrong hands. The breed I own, a belgian sheepdog called malinois, has traits that are bad in the wrong hands too - they tend to have a very swift on/off button, they can be nervous and overly energetic, etc. Left to their own devices, without the proper training and maintenance, this can be bad. Uzie's a star though, not quite Ollie's caliber but each dog is unique.
I'd rather have a well raised pitbull licking my face than an under-stimulated belgian sheepdog - less risk of getting bitten.

Teacher said:

jack russells have the ability to murder and kill other people?

i would rather have no shit sniffing/eating dog lick my face

Teacher said:

If one of those breeds tried to bite me I'd kick their lilly asses though.

Not so with the bigger breeds.

Imago said:

A golden retriever is both heightwise and weightwise bigger than a pitbull and so is a working malinois.

Horatio, a jrt can easily kill a child, don't think differently. They were originally bred to kill rats, if you've ever seen them shake a rat you see the force and strength. There is NOTHING left of the rat when they're done, it isn't very hard to imagine what it would do to a child. I know you like to be badass and an asshole, but please try.

Teacher said:

ive never seen even new born babys the size of rats

I just love the people on this thread trying to justify this breed. Give it up.

pardonme4livin said:

If some pitbulls come into my yard(where kids might be playing), I'd do the same thing.

OMG, who the hell bumped this thread?


Guys!!! Get your asses on my Gamma Ray Burst thread! That one needs your help more than this one!!

Teacher said:

JRT were breed to hunt rabbits, right? Not rats?

Not that it has anything to do with their effectiveness as a killer


I babysat a JRT for 7 days. I will say that I would NEVER let one play unsupervised around kids less than 10 years of age. Not because they're mean spirited, but because they're very powerful for the tiny frames, and extremely hyper.



Do they actually rank in the top fatal attacks on humans though?

If a JRT tried to bite me, I'd kick its lilly ass.

I'm bumping my own shit thread now.

Just put an F$%KING fence in your damn backyard! If they get loose, then build a stronger fence! I KNOW that is was some bumkin ass people that had a rickety fence that some untrained, unfed dogs lived in.


By the way, my Lab attacked my best friend and bit her in the face too. He was destroyed the nxt day.

I think the news goes nuts for these stories. Just think about it. As a person that majored in a very theoretical popular culture and media field, I am too informed in what media CHOOSES to cover, or what will get viewers/readers/listeners like you to tune in and make the ratings...so the sales people can in turn sell the hell out of the station.

Use your head, and education, people!!!!! SHIT

KatSkrizzle said:

are you sure a no tresspassing sign wouldnt be just as effective?