benyamin said:

Huh, I just didnt see Dumbledore ae a sexual character....Id have bought that Harry was a lot more...

wlcm2thdwn said:

Go Simpsons.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

He wasn't a sexual character...just because he's gay doesn't mean he's sexual. Especially not in a childrens book.

this morning the master asked me "who is Dumbledore?"

purplesweat said:

Hmmm not exactly what i meant... you did see many of the casts sexuality's in a subtle manner. Dumbledore just struck me as one who was a million times rapped up in his lifes work and purpose and having a low drive to nil....

you know i always got this walt whitman like feeling from him..

ZombieKitten said:

Question : Whos' the master?



Uh..why are you thinking about characters sexuality in a childrens book? I know JK has now made an issue of it but I never even gave it a thought before now.

purplesweat said:

you don't want to know the self-proclaimed master of everything who I share my life with.

purplesweat said:

I don't think she's concerned too much about their sexuality

What Karen is trying to say , I believe, is that certain characters fall in love in the books, or they have relationships with other characters that drives the plot based upon those intimate feelings or relationships. I don't think she uses the word sexual here to mean overtly sexual.

For example, Ron and Hermoine's obvious connection drives much of the conflict in book 6 and even moreso in book 7. In book 7, we finally get to see enough of Snape's back-story to see that he was in love with Harry's mother. This of course drives much of the story with regards to Snape's motivations, and why he never took Harry out when he had the chance.

But characters like madeye, Professor McGongal, and Dumbledore aren't sexual characters in the sense that there is no love interest in their lives (at least not apparent in the stories) which affect the plot or are key to how the story plays out or it's emotional relevance. If Rowling had gone into just a bit more detail about Dumbledore and showed how this love interest resulted in some of his actions, Dubledore would have joiend the ranks of the other characters who had such connections which lead to our understanding of their motivations.

Personally, given Dumbledore's roll as the Oracle in book 7 I think speaking to his love interest would have been a distraction to a superb book. And the story itself would make one hell of a book on its own anyways. Who wouldn't want to read a more grownup version of the series centered around a love that is betrayed and how the character rebuilds himself? It would be the ultimate redemption story.






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Imago said:

Well this has made me less likely to read the books.

i've said it b4, and i'll say it again....

Prequels

bring 'em on ..... please

Find this in the La Times:

http://www.latimes.com/en...ertainment


7 Clues That Dumbledore was gay:

Below he tells us seven textual clues that Dumbledore was gay.

1. His pet. "Fawkes, the many-colored phoenix, is 'flaming.'"

2. His name. "While the anagram to 'Tom Marvolo Riddle' is 'I am Lord Voldemort,' as my good friend pointed out, 'Albus Dumbledore' becomes 'Male bods rule, bud!'"

3. His fashion sense. "Whether it's his 'purple cloak and high-heeled boots,' a 'flamboyantly cut suit of plum velvet,' a flowered bonnet at Christmas or his fascination with knitting patterns, Dumbledore defies the fashion standards of normative masculinity and, of course, this gives him a flair like no other. It's no wonder that even the uppity portrait of former headmaster Phineas Nigellus announced, 'You cannot deny he's got style.'"

4. His sensitivity. "Leaders like Cornelius Fudge, Rufus Scrimgeour and Dolores Umbridge (yes, even a woman) who are limited by the standards of normative masculinity could not fully embrace where Voldemort was weakest: in his capacity to love. Dumbledore understood that it's tougher to be vulnerable, to express one's feelings, and that one's undying love for friends and for life itself is a more powerful weapon than fear. Even his most selfish moments in pursuing the Deathly Hallows were motivated either by his feelings for Grindelwald or his wish to apologize to his late sister."

5. His openness. "After she outed Dumbledore, Rowling said that she viewed the whole series as a prolonged treatise on tolerance. Dumbledore is the personification of this. Like the LGBT community that has time and again used its own oppression to fight for the equality of others, Dumbledore was a champion for the rights of werewolves, giants, house elves, muggle-borns, centaurs, merpeople -- even alternative marriage. When it came time to decide whether the marriage between Lupin the werewolf and Tonks the full-blooded witch could be considered natural, Professor Minerva McGonagall said, 'Dumbledore would have been happier than anybody to think that there was a little more love in the world.'"

6. His historical parallel. "If Dumbledore were like any one in history, it would have to be Leonardo DaVinci. They both were considered eccentric geniuses ('He's a genius! Best wizard in the world! But he is a bit mad, yes'); both added a great deal to our body of knowledge (after all, Dumbledore did discover the 12 uses of dragon's blood!); both were solitary, both were considered warm, loving and incredibly calm; both dwelt in mysterious mystical realms; both spent a lot of time with their journals (Leonardo wrote his backwards while Dumbledore was constantly diving into his pensieve); both even had long hair! And, of course, a popular thought among many scholars is that the maestro Leonardo was gay."

7. The fact that so few of us realized he was gay. "No matter how many 'clues' I can put down that Dumbledore was gay, no matter how many millions of people have read these books again and again, Rowling surprised even the most die-hard fans with the announcement that Dumbledore was gay. And in the end, the fact that we never would have guessed is what makes Dumbledore being gay so real. So many times I have encountered friends who are gay that I never would have predicted. It has shown me that one's sexual orientation is not some obvious 'lifestyle choice,' it's a precious facet of our multi-faceted personalities. And in the end whatever the differences between our personalities are, it is time that our world heeds Dumbledore's advice: 'Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open.' Today as I write this, I believe that it's time for our aims to be loyal to what the greatest wizard in the world would have wanted them to be: love."

lazycrockett said:

Arggggg reaching at best....

But he is a bit mad, yes?


Um, NO!