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Reply #60 posted 10/16/07 11:35pm

NDRU

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heartbeatocean said:

NDRU said:



That happened to me once, and it really made me angry. My dad wanted me to go to therapy, so I went and sat quietly for an hour lol maybe I did need it!


On a path of self-awareness, I think there is a time when the self becomes aware of the self. At that point, the self yearns for a teacher or a therapist. When the patient is ready, the therapist comes. At this point, we are open to learning and listening to ourselves. Others may want to fix us. Our "brokenness" from the outside may look fixable.


Others' problems always look pretty obvious, don't they?

I think he was excited about having looked at his feelings for the first time in his life, and he thought I should, too. But I'd been looking at my feelings my whole life.

Therapy can help, but for some people it's just emotional masturbation because they are constantly spilling their guts.

For me it doesn't help much, because most therapists don't even direct, they just listen. If I was to get help, I'd need direction.
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Reply #61 posted 10/16/07 11:37pm

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I suggest that to anyone who isn't seeing one. But that's just me nuts

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Reply #62 posted 10/16/07 11:38pm

ZombieKitten

I would love to go see one hmmm
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Reply #63 posted 10/16/07 11:42pm

NDRU

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superspaceboy said:

I suggest that to anyone who isn't seeing one. But that's just me nuts


everyone should probably try it a couple times at least.
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Reply #64 posted 10/16/07 11:43pm

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NDRU said:

heartbeatocean said:



On a path of self-awareness, I think there is a time when the self becomes aware of the self. At that point, the self yearns for a teacher or a therapist. When the patient is ready, the therapist comes. At this point, we are open to learning and listening to ourselves. Others may want to fix us. Our "brokenness" from the outside may look fixable.


Others' problems always look pretty obvious, don't they?

I think he was excited about having looked at his feelings for the first time in his life, and he thought I should, too. But I'd been looking at my feelings my whole life.

Therapy can help, but for some people it's just emotional masturbation because they are constantly spilling their guts.

For me it doesn't help much, because most therapists don't even direct, they just listen. If I was to get help, I'd need direction.


I had a therapist on and off for ten years. It got to a point where she didn't have any more to teach me. I had simply outgrown her. It was obvious that I knew myself and what I needed -- much more than she did, and I began distrusting her feedback and seeing around it as biased, always coming through her lens. I actually consider myself to be a very self-aware person, that's why giving my problems over to a student-in-training seems ridiculous to me. To have someone to hash out my past and my emotions with, and entrust them with that power, I need to have deep respect for them. I already have a few people like that in my life.

Now if we're talking couples counseling -- using someone as a moderator to enhance communication, that's something different.

But what I need now is advice on getting a job! I need to go to the Job Bank!
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Reply #65 posted 10/16/07 11:46pm

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ZombieKitten said:

I would love to go see one hmmm


It's expensive.

I don't know how it is there, but here you get only a few sessions covered by insurance, by which time you've just begun to address some of your problems.
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Reply #66 posted 10/16/07 11:49pm

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heartbeatocean said:

NDRU said:



Others' problems always look pretty obvious, don't they?

I think he was excited about having looked at his feelings for the first time in his life, and he thought I should, too. But I'd been looking at my feelings my whole life.

Therapy can help, but for some people it's just emotional masturbation because they are constantly spilling their guts.

For me it doesn't help much, because most therapists don't even direct, they just listen. If I was to get help, I'd need direction.


I had a therapist on and off for ten years. It got to a point where she didn't have any more to teach me. I had simply outgrown her. It was obvious that I knew myself and what I needed -- much more than she did, and I began distrusting her feedback and seeing around it as biased, always coming through her lens. I actually consider myself to be a very self-aware person, that's why giving my problems over to a student-in-training seems ridiculous to me. To have someone to hash out my past and my emotions with, and entrust them with that power, I need to have deep respect for them. I already have a few people like that in my life.

Now if we're talking couples counseling -- using someone as a moderator to enhance communication, that's something different.

But what I need now is advice on getting a job! I need to go to the Job Bank!


I imagine therapy would only be effective for fairly short amounts of time--say several months at a time. A re-examining of your life, and then try it on your own for a while. I could imagine it becoming redundant after a while.

And maybe you should suggest couples therapy?
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Reply #67 posted 10/16/07 11:54pm

retina

NDRU said:

heartbeatocean said:



On a path of self-awareness, I think there is a time when the self becomes aware of the self. At that point, the self yearns for a teacher or a therapist. When the patient is ready, the therapist comes. At this point, we are open to learning and listening to ourselves. Others may want to fix us. Our "brokenness" from the outside may look fixable.


Others' problems always look pretty obvious, don't they?

I think he was excited about having looked at his feelings for the first time in his life, and he thought I should, too. But I'd been looking at my feelings my whole life.

Therapy can help, but for some people it's just emotional masturbation because they are constantly spilling their guts.

For me it doesn't help much, because most therapists don't even direct, they just listen. If I was to get help, I'd need direction.


Good insights. nod
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Reply #68 posted 10/17/07 12:44am

Muse2NOPharaoh

How about couples counseling? May enlighten as to the relationship itself or the blend of the two of you?




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Reply #69 posted 10/17/07 12:51am

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dump him, armchair diagnosis people irritate me...unless he is a therapist...then...maybe, listen shrug
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Reply #70 posted 10/17/07 1:01am

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Reply #71 posted 10/17/07 1:03am

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I think the org is doing a great job at being my therapist smile
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Reply #72 posted 10/17/07 1:05am

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heartbeatocean said:

I think the org is doing a great job at being my therapist smile

People want to discount the actual good you can get from this place but by god, if my salvation happened here it can happen to anyone nod
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Reply #73 posted 10/17/07 1:16am

xplnyrslf

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keeps suggesting I see a therapist. confused


How long have you dated him?
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Reply #74 posted 10/17/07 1:25am

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xplnyrslf said:

heartbeatocean said:

keeps suggesting I see a therapist. confused


How long have you dated him?


7 months
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Reply #75 posted 10/17/07 1:26am

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heartbeatocean said:

xplnyrslf said:



How long have you dated him?


7 months


How long has he been talking about therapy?
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Reply #76 posted 10/17/07 1:35am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

heartbeatocean said:



7 months


How long has he been talking about therapy?


a long time, it came up quite early in the relationship
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Reply #77 posted 10/17/07 1:37am

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heartbeatocean said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



How long has he been talking about therapy?


a long time, it came up quite early in the relationship

Do you feel that he doesn't want to hear you? I became quite frustrated that my partner was unable to be open to hear my journey and it made me feel quite lonely. Do you feel like you have had the chance to talk out this issue of your relationship with him or did he never really give you the platform for expression and comfort in doing so?
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Reply #78 posted 10/17/07 1:39am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

heartbeatocean said:



a long time, it came up quite early in the relationship

Do you feel that he doesn't want to hear you? I became quite frustrated that my partner was unable to be open to hear my journey and it made me feel quite lonely. Do you feel like you have had the chance to talk out this issue of your relationship with him or did he never really give you the platform for expression and comfort in doing so?


it started as a few casual suggestions, and I humored the idea. But now I'm firming up my attitude toward the subject. He'll hear about it. nod
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Reply #79 posted 10/17/07 2:33am

xplnyrslf

I've read this thread and re-read it. I'm with Slavetothegroove. What I would do in this situation: Lose the guy.
You've done the therapy route, and know how it can and cannot help you.
He's enough to drive you to therapy.....
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Reply #80 posted 10/17/07 6:54am

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Muse2NOPharaoh said:

How about couples counseling? May enlighten as to the relationship itself or the blend of the two of you?




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I think that's a great idea considering the circumstances.
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Reply #81 posted 10/17/07 5:18pm

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xplnyrslf said:

I've read this thread and re-read it. I'm with Slavetothegroove. What I would do in this situation: Lose the guy.
You've done the therapy route, and know how it can and cannot help you.
He's enough to drive you to therapy.....


thanks
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Reply #82 posted 10/17/07 5:19pm

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NDRU said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

How about couples counseling? May enlighten as to the relationship itself or the blend of the two of you?




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I think that's a great idea considering the circumstances.


agree
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Reply #83 posted 10/18/07 2:38pm

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NDRU said:

err, congratulations? Maybe his self loathing is great and he can't understand why you're with him.

Seriously I wouldn't suggest that to someone unless she was asking how to deal with their problems, or perhaps they developed severe issues during the relationship.

But I hope you're doing okay smile


Ditto!
The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.

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Reply #84 posted 10/18/07 7:34pm

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heartbeatocean said:

keeps suggesting I see a therapist. confused




Is he suggesting a menage a trois....and I KNOW i didn't spell that right.



a threeway...u know what i mean....damn...i ruined the joke
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Reply #85 posted 10/18/07 8:34pm

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heartbeatocean said:

keeps suggesting I see a therapist. confused

Maybe he wants a threesome and has a thing for therapists.

Or did you mean that he suggests you look for help?
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Reply #86 posted 10/18/07 8:35pm

horatio

heartbeatocean said:

keeps suggesting I see a therapist. confused


i thought your name was heartofbacon
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Reply #87 posted 10/18/07 8:37pm

ArielB

And on a more serious note - you're on the org. So yes, most chances are that you need to see a therapist biggrin
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Reply #88 posted 10/18/07 8:40pm

Illustrator

heartbeatocean said:

keeps suggesting I see a therapist. confused

Maybe that's his way of saying that he thinks you guys should see other people.
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Reply #89 posted 10/19/07 12:39am

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horatio said:

heartbeatocean said:

keeps suggesting I see a therapist. confused


i thought your name was heartofbacon

I'm a vegetarian.
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