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Thread started 10/14/07 7:27am

teller

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Pontificating about drinking all the time

Your mood is an emotional carrier for your thoughts. Just as copper wire can carry the signal of your voice over the telephone, or data across the internet, your voice and data can become distorted or lost if the quality of the carrier is poor. Poorly shielded copper wire is full of "noise" coming from other users, electrical appliances, and ambient radiation (which is why dial-up never got much faster than 56k--copper blows). This noise can clutter up the data stream and even render it useless. What data really needs in order to be received clearly is a low-entropy carrier, ideally completely level and silent (fiber optics are great), so that the surprise information (data) is clearly recognizable and gets through unharmed.

Now...thoughts and evaluations generate emotions and mood, but there's also feedback in the system: Moods influence further thoughts. It's a loop. So a single misunderstood event or bad premise can spiral into a flood of bad thinking and an amplified shitty mood, sending you into a dysfunctional state where you are not listening and evaluating correctly because emotions rule the body and twist the mind. You can become an asshole...

This is not to say that emotions are bad things by any means. Clear thoughts generate emotions that are "correct." That is, the emotions you feel reflect your thoughts exactly and there is no conflict or distortion. You feel your thoughts and evaluations (even love) in your body, not just in your mind. That is what's so cool about being alive. You're not a computer, you feel everything! Your body might even tell you something correct before it fully registers in your mind. Ideally the body functions as part of the mind, not as its adversary.

But what the mind needs is a low-entropy mood, ideally level, in order to think clearly. No false or meaningless noise. Mood altering substances effectively introduce a lot of noise and wobbly variation into the mood, influencing one's thoughts and evaluations, moving them off-center and away from reality.

Drinking, for example, biases everything toward depression and hopelessness. It is as if someone placed a magnet near the copper wire and ruined the music you were trying download. That's no good...and God help you if you were already depressed to begin with.

Uppers are just as bad...setting aside the delusions of grandeur that come from a false positive bias, the crash will get you worse than alcohol. The exaggerated highs and lows create a pattern of uncertainty that can render your thinking completely inconsistent and ineffective. You become an asshole...

We have enough problems with false premises and other mood affectors that occur in nature without introducing chemicals into the mix. Life is difficult enough without a handicap.
Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #1 posted 10/14/07 7:28am

Mach

"We have enough problems with false premises and other mood affectors that occur in nature without introducing chemicals into the mix."


Yup thumbs up!
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Reply #2 posted 10/14/07 7:32am

KidaDynamite

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Wassup with these essays ya'll are writing?

Short and sweet people or short and sour whatever floats ur boat! cool
surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
I ain't felt this way in years...
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Reply #3 posted 10/14/07 7:39am

shanti0608

Moderation is key
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Reply #4 posted 10/14/07 7:40am

jonylawson

KidaDynamite said:

Wassup with these essays ya'll are writing?

Short and sweet people or short and sour whatever floats ur boat! cool


true-i must admit i fell off after the 1st sentence.....

i agree though-i love a drink now and again and getting rip roaringly drunk!


drink guinness barf
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Reply #5 posted 10/14/07 8:04am

ThreadBare

Thanks for that, Teller. Good seein' ya.
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Reply #6 posted 10/14/07 8:06am

jonylawson

shanti0608 said:

Moderation is key


no-love is the key!
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Reply #7 posted 10/14/07 8:31am

HereToRockYour
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jonylawson said:

shanti0608 said:

Moderation is key


no-love is the key!


Love introduces more noise than ANYTHING else ever could. lol
oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1!
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Reply #8 posted 10/14/07 8:35am

HereToRockYour
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Sometimes I find that a chemical vacation from reality gives me a chance to rest, and then I can face problems with more clarity.

But sure, it's mostly noise and not helpful.
oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1!
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Reply #9 posted 10/14/07 8:39am

teller

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

jonylawson said:



no-love is the key!


Love introduces more noise than ANYTHING else ever could. lol

Ya think? lol
Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #10 posted 10/14/07 8:46am

statuesqque

and...your point is... drink
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Reply #11 posted 10/14/07 8:46am

jonylawson

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Reply #12 posted 10/14/07 8:49am

statuesqque

jonylawson said:

shanti0608 said:

Moderation is key


no-love is the key!



gotta point there nod
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Reply #13 posted 10/14/07 8:51am

Lammastide

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Good Lord! Teller left the org and has come back as John Tesh! bawlshake

Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #14 posted 10/14/07 8:52am

teller

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Lammastide said:

Good Lord! Teller left the org and has come back as John Tesh! bawlshake

mad
Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #15 posted 10/14/07 9:12am

HereToRockYour
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Lammastide said:

Good Lord! Teller left the org and has come back as John Tesh! bawlshake




Is John Tesh that cerebral? lol
oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1!
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Reply #16 posted 10/14/07 12:05pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

I have the same problem, oddly enough, when I start smoking. Although I hate smoking I have done it and quit, done it and quit. I don't know how long it will last this time. One day at a time. I hate smoking, even when I'm doing it. It really depresses me and makes me think bizare thoughts.
MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits"
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Reply #17 posted 10/14/07 1:33pm

Illustrator

jonylawson said:

shanti0608 said:

Moderation is key


no-love is the key!

no-locking the door in the handicap stall before you get it on is the key!
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Reply #18 posted 10/14/07 2:17pm

shanti0608

clearly I should have said everything in moderation....
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Reply #19 posted 10/14/07 2:22pm

Muse2NOPharaoh

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

I have the same problem, oddly enough, when I start smoking. Although I hate smoking I have done it and quit, done it and quit. I don't know how long it will last this time. One day at a time. I hate smoking, even when I'm doing it. It really depresses me and makes me think bizare thoughts.

Same here... am excessive in base nature..... I understand deeply the whole fogging over process....
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Reply #20 posted 10/14/07 2:22pm

Muse2NOPharaoh

HereToRockYourWorld said:

jonylawson said:



no-love is the key!


Love introduces more noise than ANYTHING else ever could. lol

Ya dont say! lol
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Reply #21 posted 10/14/07 2:23pm

Muse2NOPharaoh

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clearly I should have said everything in moderation....

Everything? everything-everything?
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Reply #22 posted 10/14/07 2:29pm

shanti0608

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

shanti0608 said:

clearly I should have said everything in moderation....

Everything? everything-everything?



Well that is what I have always been told... shrug



rose
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Reply #23 posted 10/14/07 2:47pm

Muse2NOPharaoh

shanti0608 said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:


Everything? everything-everything?



Well that is what I have always been told... shrug



rose

Ok well, I can think of one thing you shouldnt have to moderate .... wink
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Reply #24 posted 10/14/07 2:58pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

shanti0608 said:




Well that is what I have always been told... shrug



rose

Ok well, I can think of one thing you shouldnt have to moderate .... wink



I'm right with you on that one.....
MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits"
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Reply #25 posted 10/14/07 3:01pm

shanti0608

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Reply #26 posted 10/14/07 3:03pm

shanti0608

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

shanti0608 said:




Well that is what I have always been told... shrug



rose

Ok well, I can think of one thing you shouldnt have to moderate .... wink



would that be love or booty?

confuse
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Reply #27 posted 10/14/07 3:12pm

teller

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shanti0608 said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:


Ok well, I can think of one thing you shouldnt have to moderate .... wink



would that be love or booty?

confuse

Don't seperate the two.
Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #28 posted 10/14/07 3:22pm

Muse2NOPharaoh

teller said:

shanti0608 said:




would that be love or booty?

confuse

Don't seperate the two.

giggle
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Reply #29 posted 10/14/07 3:23pm

Muse2NOPharaoh

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:


Ok well, I can think of one thing you shouldnt have to moderate .... wink



I'm right with you on that one.....

wink let me orgnote val the right answer.... we are right here as always my friend... ( Places one finger in front of each eye)
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