Aerogram said:

Damn, you've just described me.

I know somebody who tried several times and it just broke my Heart to be around this person anymore seeing that person so troubled and in pain well, I just couldn't deal with it cause I had issues too. I had Depression and I couldn't deal with somebody close to me attempting this. Seeing the person in a Mental Ward was way too much for me and I didn't wanna see it or ever go there agin. It was Horrendous. A terrible experience. It's not a Joke at all. I saw this in my life and I couldn't be around the person it was way Too Heartbreaking.

...something was terribly wrong with her brain chemistry after she gave birth, and she was unable to view things rationally. That happens to be a symptom of severe depression. You can either sit there and view this terrible condition in a moralistic way, or you can consider how having such a chemical imbalance completely distorts your view of the world, to the point you are willing to kill what you love most along with yourself, thinking you are doing the loved one a service.

IMO, that is not "selfish". It is in reality a measure of the severity of depression and its effects on perception and thinking. But many of us seem stuck in the 19th century when it comes to mental illness. To those who think suicide is selfish, I would like to couch the issue differently. Let's say there's a Walk Against Cancer, and everyone at work is going, except this one dude. What's his problem? Well, he doesn't have legs and is too weak to roll in his wheelchair all the way to the finish line. Are you going to say he's selfish? No, because you can plainly see he has no legs and is ill. Now, please imagine you could see the chemicals in someone's brain -- say people who are balanced glow bright green and those who have severe imbalance glow bright red. Would you go over to the person with severe imbalance and say "Oh please! Give yourself a kick in the butt and walk with us to the finish line!", even though he has the reddest glow you've ever seen and cries all day long? I don't think so, because you'd have a concrete way of assessing the severity of his difficulty.

So I say get on with the 21st century. Try to understand our most mysterious organ, the brain. Then you will be a person of your time and perhaps people with depression and other mental illnesses will be all the better for it, not having to live among people who still don't take mental health as seriously as they should.

Hi LOVER!!!
IMO...
of course suicide is a selfish act.
wheather it is for needed relief, or whutever.
killing oneself is done less by the physicly ill,
than those whom feel that the world can do without them, for whut ever reason...
and i don't see any of the ones i've known as being a threat to the lives of others, so it's not like they do it to save the lives of others...
i feel about them, like i feel about those who kill their sick to save money.
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From what I understand SUICIDE is a mental desease that tends to run in families....My sisters best friend did it and so did her brother... situation...I myself have NEVER conteplated it .

And because I dared to correct Oceana, and because I made a joke in my profile about her having 20 kids (although I said nothing personally about them), Oceana just OrgNoted me saying my suicide attempt explains why I'm the way I am, and that I obviously haven't changed...

Nice, huh? And she claims to be different now...

AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said:

No AnotherLover...you forgot to mention my apology to you in my orgnote to you...I said I am sorry for any negative responses I ever had towards you...NOT knowing your state of mind. I did not use it against you...I also said using my kids and me being a mother to 20 kids as you claimed (I mentioned how YOU know I only have 5) and this is not a good weapon for hurting another individual. MOVE ON! YOU CLAIM it was a joke...if it was you laughed, not me.. Right, now we both know we...you and I have never joked together!

AnotherLover...for whatever it is worth...I dont want to argue with you...No I am not taking it out on you about my son as you just orgnoted me claiming...It is not your fault! You insulted me as a mother and a woman when it is a fact I have not insulted you or attacked you...I stay clear of you... You are leaving soon...why keep it going?

I doubt that anyone will see this as it is such an old thread, but I felt compelled 2 post.
I lost my cousin 2 suicide late February of this year. His mother found him early one cold friday morning hanging from a beam in the garden shed. He would have celebrated his 23rd birthday at the beginning of May. We were more like Brothers than Cousins - we were really close.I am really sorry to hear of that, my heart goes out to you and your family
It devestated my extended family and I - and is something we are all left 2 deal with as best we can/any way we can each and every day.
It was an extremely brave thing 2 do, and also a very foolish thing 2 do. It was a very lonely thing 2 do, it was a very desperate thing 2 do. Of course, suicide is a lonely way out, otherwise it is classed as euthanasia or murder
It may have been a mistake, it may have been intentional. We will never know. There are so many questions, and just NO answers. The only person that has those answers is no longer here with us.If they wanted it to be a mistake, they would have contacted people, that is what your cousin wanted, it is hard, but respect his/her feelings and be happy that you knew and loved your cousin in happier times
The hardest thing 4 me 2 come 2 terms with and accept was that I thought of him that nite, and was going 2 ring him, and 4 one reason or another, didnt.
I'll always wonder what if... As much as people say I shouldnt, I cant help it. At the end of the day it was their decision,whatever you tried, or would have tried to do, I am sure your cousin sought help, but even that help wasnt enough for him/her, so please, never feel guilty, that is the last thing he/she would have wanted, they only want to be at peace
The only comfort I have gained from this is that whatever he was going thru that made him do what he did, isnt hurting him any longer.Yes, believe in that
I'd like 2 say as well that althought the idea of this thread was discuss the question that was posted, it doesnt even TOUCH what is involved - by the person who commits the act, 2 the aftermath of it all. It is one of those rare human traits that isnt explainable, and isnt a black & white issue. I'd like 2 thank Aerogram here 4 the wonderful post - that was somewhere nearer where Im coming from, and made 4 some thoughtful reading.If you want to Orgnote me I am sure I can giver you some advice
As I said earlier, I doubt anyone is gonna read this, but it kinda helps putting something down in its own litle way - every little bit helps I guess.
I think about him everyday, and I miss him bad.

thanx 4 that.

bananacologne said:

Love me some Mama Banana and Redfeathers! Redfeathers sent me some very kind words to my earlier post of this same subject. Love to you both!

So, is suicide a selfish act, or is it each person's right to end their lives if they are miserable emotionally, physically, spiritually, etc.?

In your opinion, what makes life not worth living anymore?

So, is suicide a selfish act, or is it each person's right to end their lives if they are miserable emotionally, physically, spiritually, etc.?

So, is suicide a selfish act, or is it each person's right to end their lives if they are miserable emotionally, physically, spiritually, etc.?

In your opinion, what makes life not worth living anymore?