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Revealing X-ray machines coming to airports

From USA Today:

TSA looks into using more airport body scans

By Thomas Frank, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — The Transportation Security Administration plans to expand its use of screening machines that look under passengers' clothing for hidden weapons.

New York's Kennedy and Los Angeles International airports will get "backscatter" X-ray machines that the American Civil Liberties Union has called a "virtual strip search" for the vivid anatomical images they can create. Those airports and Phoenix Sky Harbor also will test a similar technology, using low-intensity millimeter waves, to scan passengers' bodies.

The machines are capable of showing passengers' bodily parts, but TSA says that, due to privacy concerns, they will not. All of the machines will use software that will blur images of passengers, so screeners will see weapons but only fuzzy images of people's bodies.

Their use will be voluntary for passengers who are pulled aside for extra screening beyond a metal detector.

"We will not roll out body imaging that does not have very high standards of privacy protection," TSA chief Kip Hawley said in an interview. "We'll use a variety of measures including software that may obscure some features."

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The expansion of the body-imaging program follows a test at Phoenix of the first X-ray machine at a U.S. airport checkpoint.

Since the TSA installed the machine in February, 79% of passengers have chosen to be scanned by the X-ray machine instead of being patted down by a screener, the agency said.

The Phoenix X-ray machine generates cartoon-like images of passengers, using a "privacy algorithm" that protects their privacy, according to TSA. Screeners can easily see metal objects.

The X-ray machines emit small amounts of radiation, according to federal research.

Barry Steinhardt, head of the ACLU's technology program, said privacy filters make body imagers "useless as a security device" because blurring can make it difficult for screeners to see weapons.

"There is a trade-off between revealing images, which might show contraband and weapons, and the 'blob machine,' which misses many things," Steinhardt said.

Bruce Schneier, an author and security technology expert in Minnesota, said the machines strike an "excellent" balance between privacy and security. "The issue we're worried about is whether they save the images," Schneier said.

The millimeter-wave machine, made by L-3 Communications, is used at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport and will start operation in Phoenix this month. The additional X-ray machines will start in coming months.

Although both machines will be used only on passengers getting secondary screening, millimeter-wave technology could in the future replace metal detectors because it can scan passengers in a few seconds. X-ray machine scans take about a minute.


A TSA agent scans airline passenger Kelsi Dunbar, using the new "backscatter" x-ray technology at Sky Harbor Airport in Phoenix.

http://www.usatoday.com/n...tter_N.htm
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Reply #1 posted 10/08/07 11:57am

horatio

rriiiiight
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Reply #2 posted 10/08/07 1:03pm

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Makes my car look that much more appealing. nod

They have all this security now and they haven't found shit. IT's fuckin' pointless.
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Reply #3 posted 10/08/07 1:06pm

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there a few pictures of me nude on the internet i don't think one more person seeing me in the nude is going to damage me in any shape or form.


however i can see how this is just adding to the culture of fear.
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Reply #4 posted 10/08/07 1:08pm

Byron

guitarslinger44 said:

Makes my car look that much more appealing. nod

They have all this security now and they haven't found shit. IT's fuckin' pointless.

It's pointless until something happens on a plane in mid-flight...then we complain that they're not doing enough...when they do more, we complain that they're wasting their time and making everything more irritating at the airport.

Basically, we love to bitch lol lol...
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Reply #5 posted 10/08/07 7:40pm

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Reply #6 posted 10/08/07 8:23pm

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Blurring functions aside, I've heard these machines disregard all fibrous materials -- including hair. That's the ultimate buzzkill for me. If I were given to voyeuristic jollies, seeing naked folk who were baby-butt bald from the tops of their head to the soles of their feet just wouldn't "do it" for me. confused
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Reply #7 posted 10/08/07 10:00pm

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I've got nuthin' to hide. cool
Maybe we can go to the movies and cry together
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Reply #8 posted 10/09/07 3:54am

ThirdandFinal

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Le prego di non toccare la macchina per favore!
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Reply #9 posted 10/09/07 4:01am

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guitarslinger44 said:

Makes my car look that much more appealing. nod

They have all this security now and they haven't found shit. IT's fuckin' pointless.



Yes they have!!!!!
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Reply #10 posted 10/09/07 4:11am

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ThirdandFinal said:


That is revealing indeed eek .
With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A....
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Reply #11 posted 10/09/07 4:16am

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guitarslinger44 said:

Makes my car look that much more appealing. nod

They have all this security now and they haven't found shit. IT's fuckin' pointless.



I hate when people throw things out there and acts like it's the truth. You be very surpise how many people carry knives on them through the check point. A man in Hawaii is in jail now because he try going through the check point with a gun. Haven't found shit???? Do your home work first.
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Reply #12 posted 10/09/07 4:19am

shanti0608

maybe they should just require us to fly completely naked with no carry on at all..
oh wait then the TSA workers would not have jobs.
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Reply #13 posted 10/09/07 4:39am

kpowers

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shanti0608 said:

maybe they should just require us to fly completely naked with no carry on at all..
oh wait then the TSA workers would not have jobs.



I would hate to fly on an airplane if you were running things.
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Reply #14 posted 10/09/07 4:46am

shanti0608

kpowers said:

shanti0608 said:

maybe they should just require us to fly completely naked with no carry on at all..
oh wait then the TSA workers would not have jobs.



I would hate to fly on an airplane if you were running things.



Oh I was just trying to find a solution to the problem...


We already have to strip down in front of ppl before we go through security.
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Reply #15 posted 10/09/07 6:17am

jbchavez

This type of machine has been around for awhile. US Customs has had this technology for awhile. If you do not want to be searched, you could opt for this type of scan.
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Reply #16 posted 10/09/07 6:24am

retina

In addition to the obvious privacy issue, X-rays are after all radiation and it's not healthy to get exposed to them on a regular basis. I would definitely choose being searched instead.
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Reply #17 posted 10/09/07 6:34am

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retina said:

In addition to the obvious privacy issue, X-rays are after all radiation and it's not healthy to get exposed to them on a regular basis. I would definitely choose being searched instead.


"Step right this way, sir"
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Reply #18 posted 10/09/07 6:36am

retina

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retina said:

In addition to the obvious privacy issue, X-rays are after all radiation and it's not healthy to get exposed to them on a regular basis. I would definitely choose being searched instead.


"Step right this way, sir"


See? I rest my case. smile

What are you doing up at this hour by the way? eek
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Reply #19 posted 10/09/07 6:36am

jbchavez

retina said:

In addition to the obvious privacy issue, X-rays are after all radiation and it's not healthy to get exposed to them on a regular basis. I would definitely choose being searched instead.



The type of radiation being used is about 1/10th the rate of a common xray.
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Reply #20 posted 10/09/07 6:36am

ZombieKitten

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What are you doing up at this hour by the way? eek


nothing illegal I promise! lurking
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Reply #21 posted 10/09/07 6:39am

retina

jbchavez said:

retina said:

In addition to the obvious privacy issue, X-rays are after all radiation and it's not healthy to get exposed to them on a regular basis. I would definitely choose being searched instead.



The type of radiation being used is about 1/10th the rate of a common xray.


That may be, I still don't think it's healthy for frequent flyers.
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Reply #22 posted 10/09/07 6:39am

retina

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retina said:

What are you doing up at this hour by the way? eek


nothing illegal I promise! lurking


Ooh, a slightly evasive answer. Now I'm intrigued.
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Reply #23 posted 10/09/07 7:17am

jbchavez

retina said:

jbchavez said:




The type of radiation being used is about 1/10th the rate of a common xray.


That may be, I still don't think it's healthy for frequent flyers.



Probably not. But frequent flyers are exposed to more radiation as it is. Flight attendants and pilots receive far more radiation per year than the average person.
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Reply #24 posted 10/09/07 11:03am

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kpowers said:

guitarslinger44 said:

Makes my car look that much more appealing. nod

They have all this security now and they haven't found shit. IT's fuckin' pointless.



I hate when people throw things out there and acts like it's the truth. You be very surpise how many people carry knives on them through the check point. A man in Hawaii is in jail now because he try going through the check point with a gun. Haven't found shit???? Do your home work first.


Yeah, right. They waste their time taking away everyone's lighters and contact solution, meanwhile, you can get on the plane with pliers, knitting needles, and god knows what else. WE had a guy here in Atlanta WALK THRU SECURITY AND GET ONTO a plane last year before they realized HE DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKING TICKET!! Gee, that's a good use of taxpayer money. I feel really safe. The whole thing is supposed to make everyone feel safe, and in reality it's done the opposite, we're more scared than we ever were.
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Reply #25 posted 10/09/07 11:32am

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All of the machines will use software that will blur images of passengers, so screeners will see weapons but only fuzzy images of people's bodies.


yeah, unless it is not working that day.



Their use will be voluntary for passengers who are pulled aside for extra screening beyond a metal detector.


sure for now.
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Reply #26 posted 10/09/07 12:50pm

kpowers

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guitarslinger44 said:

kpowers said:




I hate when people throw things out there and acts like it's the truth. You be very surpise how many people carry knives on them through the check point. A man in Hawaii is in jail now because he try going through the check point with a gun. Haven't found shit???? Do your home work first.


Yeah, right. They waste their time taking away everyone's lighters and contact solution, meanwhile, you can get on the plane with pliers, knitting needles, and god knows what else. WE had a guy here in Atlanta WALK THRU SECURITY AND GET ONTO a plane last year before they realized HE DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKING TICKET!! Gee, that's a good use of taxpayer money. I feel really safe. The whole thing is supposed to make everyone feel safe, and in reality it's done the opposite, we're more scared than we ever were.




No system is perfect, but you said they found nothing and that is a total lie.
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Reply #27 posted 10/09/07 4:46pm

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Betta start working out! lol
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