shellyevon said: prb said: is that the same as CBT cognitive behavioural therapy? CBT has helped me- makes me think about things in a different way No but it uses some cognitive methods along with mindfulness. It's very intensive- one private therapy to discuss issues that come up during the week and a 2-3 hour group session that teaches specific skills that are broken down into 4 modules: core mindfulness skills, emotion regulation skills, interpersonal effectiveness skills and distress tolerance skills Self-injurious and suicidal behaviors take first priority, followed by therapy interfering behaviors. Then there are quality of life issues and finally working towards improving one's life generally. We attended a 20 week long program but there are groups that take much longer 70 weeks or more at times. It is a huge commitment but very worthwhile Oh and you get 24/7 access to a therapist for the duration of the program. They expect you to call both if you're having problems or if you have something good to share.[/b][b][Edited 10/8/07 21:38pm] thx 4 the info shelly its good 2 know that the support is there 24/7 seems that i was busy doing something close to nothing, but different than the day before | |
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ZombieKitten said: it all feels like such heavy burden heaped on top of you
and why you? I don't know if we are a sadder bunch than most, but we probably share our feelings more with each other here than with our real life friends, so the truth comes out here. I know the more I dwell on it, the sadder I feel for longer. I probably wouldn't so much if I was immersing myself in MY OWN life more, instead of talking in circles about all my problems to online friends going through the same thing, also with no seeming way out and it feels hopeless | |
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FreeSpirit said: (((((Ivy))))) To the days you need strength but seemingly cannot find it... it is there, it's everywhere.
It can be in the unseen wind we feel brush against our skin, the wind that blows through our hair or sends the trees swaying or a piece of paper rolling down a deserted street. Or unexpected moments, such as a moment today... I had, I have many. Just a few hours ago I went to get my battery changed in my car and as the guy at Auto Zone was so kind to change the battery for me, I looked for some money to tip him... I asked, do people get tipped here for doing this!? He kept saying, no don't worry about it... as he picked up the bad battery and tools and was stepping backward away... I was still looking for a few bucks, I know I had some... somewhere... but instead I ran across two Harkin Movie tickets... I said, hey!, I can't find my cash, but.... I have 2 movie tickets and placed them quickly on top of the battery as he was still walking backward through the doors... The value of the tickets was a pretty nice tip... I would say. Good moment and I was thankful. So the story goes... it's in the moments sometimes that bring us our joys... the moments of something so simple and unexpected. I don't struggle with sad moments too much, but I do require a lot of time alone lately... and I feel content when I am. I don't have children or too many obligations... Hey, just this evening... I told my aunt (my aunt who raised me and who is almost 80), I told her that having her here I feel I am living life more than when I am alone. I told her most days I work (work hard) and come home, only to await for the next day of work. Having her here, we have dinner together, I take her places she wishes to go... it's nice having her around. She is most likely going back home this weekend... even if I wish they would just move up here... I am not lonely, I have a special person in my life... but no, my life is not ideal right now, but it is comfortable and it is very fulfilling, even if I do for the most part demand a lot of time alone. Knowing all the saddness is something too much for me to know... If saddness seems overwhelming to me Ivy, you better bet I will not be bringing my saddness around a lot saddness... I will take it to a place where my soul can be fed, nourished and reborn. Knowing these vital "food for life" places, people and things are very important to recognized and I know mine. You must find yours. When you do, you will know. I just rambled... [Edited 10/8/07 20:29pm] A ramble, but with a message that rings so true. Sometimes, most of the time, we are so busy in our lives to really notice the things that would otherwise be uplifting for us. Our busy schedules strip our lives of the things that are, more often than not, right there before us. Take a deep breath hun, have a big sigh, and look around you, at the family you are helping and the nature that surrounds you. Smile, you are a fantastic person; you deserve to KNOW that, be smug for a day. Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard! | |
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Tanks for sharing. I really feel for you and can rely to some of it as being a single mother forever, with sometimes a feeling of owerwhelming responsability and little trust in people around me.
I really think you are in a desperate need of help. You need to break the bad circle you seems to be in. It can't be that impossible. If you can afford it (you seems to have money, at least) try to find a good pshycotherapist first. Just to be able to tell someone about your feelings, who isn't involved in your life and with your family, can be revealing and give you new strength. Can be very useful to get help with how to learn how to help yourself Whatever you do, don't give up! Things can change. Trust me, I know! I'm pretty new here and you don't know me, but you're very welcome to P.M. me if you like. | |
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Anxiety said: it makes me mad to think about the way mainstream society (including the medical community) treats depression and mental illness.
if you have a flu or cancer or whatever, that's considered an illness and you're given treatment and medication. if you suffer from depression, then there's "something wrong with you" and "you just need to learn how to get over it" and all that other annoying "buck up!" crap. i think depression is like a pneumonia of the soul and i *DO* think it's treatable and manageable, if only people who suffered from it were able to access proper help and not feel ostracized for getting such help. it's stupid. the mind is part of what we are. it's not some separate magic thingamabob that doesn't require maintenance and only malfunctions "if you're a bad person". people fuck you up. life fucks you up. the chemicals in your body can fuck you up. and these things need to be addressed, obviously...yet in the world i live in, that kind of care is considered a luxury. i hate that. i HATE that. ivy, push against the current and get that help. don't let anyone make you feel like you don't deserve it or that you can't access it, or that there's "no time" for them to help you, etc. give them hell. check out howard brown or the new LGBT center on halsted, i bet they have mental health services with people who may even be more helpful than specialists you'd encounter via your medical plan. you need to connect with people who can walk through the maze of your feelings and who can figure out the wiring and the plumbing and all that stuff to get to the core of the problem. i hope you are able to find those people. i'm sure they're out there. in the meantime, you know you have a lot of people who love ya and can at least distract you with silliness or who can listen when you need to be heard. I agree Anx. I think many ppl are afraid to seek help professionally. I had a therapist tell me before that it is no different from having any other medical problem like diabetes.when you are in a major depression it is always instinct I think to fight it, hide it, cover it up so no one around you knows about it. Then it begins to eat you up on the inside. I wish they would do more research on diagnosing the cause of the depression like a chemical imbalance, hormone imbalance, thyroid problem or any other health problem within the body before they start giving antidepressants to ppl. I worked in clinical research and we studied many antidepressants - I saw many ppl feel better and others get worse. I think it is so complicated and just using a pill before sorting the cause is just another way of trying to find that quick fix. | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: psychodelicide said: I'm sorry to hear that you too suffer from depression. You're lucky that your boss was understanding, my boss was totally clueless (and even admitted to not knowing anything about depression). How anyone can not know anything about depression is incomprehensible to me, since you hear about it on TV commercials, the news, in the media, etc. etc. I can only hope that my asshole former boss gets a clue one day. [Edited 10/8/07 20:08pm] I had a very rough time with employers when I was in the midst of the worst of it. I tried to explain. . . I just needed a little understanding, perhaps a reduction in hours. . . I was TRYING to get it under control (which I eventually did). They seemed to think I was just a weak, lame person. Wheras if I had broken my leg or had some sort of curable cancer, all would have been fine. Sometimes people sux. I'm sorry to hear that you went thru this too. I told my boss twice about my depression, but it didn't seem to register with him (even when he told me that he was sorry that I was going through it). When review time came, he gave me a TERRIBLE review (ripped me apart for everything). That was when I decided I no longer wanted to work there, and just quit. If my boss couldn't give me the support and understanding that I was needing at the time, then my attitude was, "Fuck you, I don't need to work for you anymore." RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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prb said: HereToRockYourWorld said: I had a very rough time with employers when I was in the midst of the worst of it. I tried to explain. . . I just needed a little understanding, perhaps a reduction in hours. . . I was TRYING to get it under control (which I eventually did). They seemed to think I was just a weak, lame person. Wheras if I had broken my leg or had some sort of curable cancer, all would have been fine. Sometimes people sux. at my previous work place- things were a little hit or miss- but my immediate collegue was very understanding- she had a friend in similar circumstances- ive been very lucky i guess.- couldnt have gotten thru it otherwise- and kept working. Wow, you were very lucky that somebody understood what you were going thru. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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Lothan said: Some days, I feel very melacholy. Others, I feel downright depressed. I've been battling depression since I was 14 years old. Those of you close to me know my current situation. For those who don't, let's just say I am extremely overwhelmed. I am the caretaker of my whole family and a lot of the time, I am sick of it.
Anyway, I reach some low points in my life where I don't fee like I'll ever be able to raise my head again. Being a Prince fan, it is also a trait that I notice about his fans. A lot of us are a caring bunch but I think a common link is the general sadness we feel. I go through a lot on an everyday basis but I know there are people worse off. I try to think of them when I'm feeling sorry for myself, but these overwhelming feelings of just grief overcome me. Is it selfish to be so sad, so depressed to the point of wanting to end it all when there are friends of mine who are ill and want nothing more than to live? Is it selfish to think of only my pain and not care about the children I would leave behind should I decide to end it all? Over the weekend, I boarded a plane. I hate flying but being on that plane made me think. My biggest fear was that the plane would crash. Now if I were truly wanting to die, then a plane crashing would not have mattered. Then I wondered if my fear was a plane crash was not my preferred way of leaving the earth. I would want it to be painless as possible. Another though occurred to me that it's not that I don't want to live anymore, but that I am tired of the pain. I mean, who can I turn to for help? I have been reaching out for help in my situation for years now. For those of you that are tired, I know exactly how you feel. Oh Honey I feel for u and my heart and best wishes go out to u. Of course there are others worse off than u, but u have every right to feel the way u do. Sadness is a normal feeling for all of us at some point and I dont think that u are at all a bad person for feeling down. My mother went through one hell of a life and after my father left I caught her attempting just what u are contemplating when I was 14. I asked her why she wanted to leave us kids behind and her answer was that she tought she would be better off without us. All I could do was tell her how much we loved her and how much worse off we would be without her. Please find someone to talk to...even if u find a support group online. I know people with AUtistic children and I know that its not ea and Im proud of u for doing all that u do for ure family even though I dont really know u. Also know that there alot of us here that u can talk to any time u need!!! Something good will come ure way!!! It's not easy but hang in there and be sure that there are many who love u and who's lives would fall apart if u were gone PRINCE IS WATCHING U " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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First of all, I would like to thank everyone of you that replied, even those who tried to make humor. I did something yesterday I rarely do and that's cry. Today, I'm crying and tomorrow probably more.
Many times, people say that you should not put personal information on the internet but my need to help myself outweighs what I care about someone knowing about my situation. I have contacted various organizations and I am not understanding, for the life of me, why help boils downs to the amount of money I can spend for it. I also do not understand why, when you need help, you have to wait for it. I do agree that I need to see someone right away and I am making an appoinment TODAY, this very morning. Thank you all for all the orgnotes asking what you can do to help. If anyone knows of any organizations that help with helping to find places to live for people with disabilities, that would be a great help. It's hard to find a place to take kids but even harder to find one where people understand your child has a disability where he cannot control the amount of noise he makes or sometimes is up all night. It breaks my heart to keep writing to people and not even being given the courtesy of a "no". I ask for you guys to pray or send positive vibes that I get through this. I have no peace in my life. I have a job I absolutely hate and even though it pays all my bills, I have no idea whether I'll still have it a month from now. i work to provide for so many and yet, if I were to lose my job or my place to stay, there is nowhere I can go here. I love you guys and I am so fortunate to have you. I do believe if it hadn't been for the friends I've made online, I would not be around today. | |
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Love you too, Lothan. It's good to cry, they say that tears are healing. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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Continued stress and strain will wear you down and make you depressed. I think my situation isn't depression, per se. It's my situation that is making me unhappy. My mother is an emotional drain...I live 1600 miles away, so I can deal with that. Now, I'm a 4 hour drive from my man and it's starting to really get tough.
Essentially, I hate my new city and would rather leave....but is it the city or me? hmmm! Lothan, it appears that your family is a real drain. If you didn't have to be so obligated or guilted into loyalty and focus on making you happy, half of your problems would be out of the way. Family sucks...sometimes if we cut them off and get them infuriated with us, it can be the best | |
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chillichocaholic said: Wow, Lothan I see what it is. Have you found any strength in friends in the same situation? I'm hoping things get better for you! | |
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I'm sorry I couldn't respond yesterday, sweetcheeks. Work had me by the balls and I couldn't get a few minutes to really conjure anything meaningful or helpful.
There is a small percentage of people out there (generalization galore) who've got no idea what depression is, how real it is, or what it feels like. These are people who either haven't experienced that kind of chronic emotional pain, or are 'strong' enough to climb above it when it threatens them (I know a few people who have that kind of control). Generally though, depression has almost always served as a big red flag for us that there's something dangerously wrong with our lives that needs fixing, right? Save for when I was a kid and devastated about my family situation (and couldn't control it due to my age), I've been able to use depression as a gauge for serious reflection. Okay, I've got no will to live and would feel some serious relief if I jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. I haven't always felt this way, so what needs fixing here? It's an easy question to ask, but answering it can take a lot of time. When you're at the eye of the storm, how could you possibly 'see' yourself realistically enough to survey the damage? It's obviously not as black and white as I'm saying. It's not simple, we're not robots, this is not mathematics, and life is not worth living without emotional pain. If we ever reached a state of contentment with work, family, friends, love and self, that doesn't mean we'll never experience sadness again. I know that your son will likely rely on you for life and your grandmother as well, for the remainder of hers. That is incredibly heavy, Ivy. But there are things you can do to lift this heavy burden a bit. Have you looked into them? And if you were to find part-time care (for your son, for example), would it ease up on the weight you're feeling? Is it these things in particular that are keeping you from experiencing happiness again, or is it more than that? Above it all, chronic sadness is an important part of life. It's unenjoyable and hurtful, and can end up taking a lot of your valuable time, but sometimes I'm thankful I feel it when I need it--because if I didn't, I'd be a seemingly soulless android like many of the people who surround me every day. Look at the pain surrounding you. How can you NOT feel it from time to time? Oh shit, my hat done fell off | |
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Ivy, there's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said here, but you have my best wishes and my thoughts are with you.
Stay strong you wonderful woman, I know you can pull through this. x | |
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I've only just seen this. I'm sorry.
You definitely need practical help. I wasted my time with Cognitive Behaviour Therapy and it really wasn't helpful whatsoever. Whilst I didn't have enough money to buy a carton of milk, the therapist was asking me to stick a chart on my fridge door and draw my face on it, before I went to sleep every night. It was patronising and pointless. I wasn't sick - just sick and tired. All I can advise is to just keep going and never be afraid to tell friends and close family how you feel. When you're at rock-bottom, there's no time for politeness or pleasantries. I cut a lot of people out of my life because they didn't help when they could have, or even failed to acknowledge my situation (let alone sympathise). I ranted at them all but slowly but surely they've all come back into my life and since apologised for not assisting. Stand your ground. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Don't be afraid to walk away from those whom won't help you. Everything will be okay. | |
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The modern lifestyle certainly doesn't help...
It seems that there are additives in foods that contribute to depression. And dead-end jobs, grey urban environments, etc etc... I sympathize. | |
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