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Reply #60 posted 10/05/07 1:24pm

Rhondab

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dead



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Reply #61 posted 10/05/07 1:25pm

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Byron said:

Is this the REAL Teller, btw? lol... eek

You betcha. smile
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Reply #62 posted 10/05/07 1:29pm

Lothan

Rhondab said:

Byron said:


I can, too. Love, for me, will never again be about what I can get from someone else...relationships won't be that way, either. I can love someone and never even be in a relationship with them...all it means is that I'll express that love in a different way.


In all honesty, this is how I approached love. I had the notion that if I loved someone it was about my love towards them. I believe in showing it and being in it. I'm a giver my nature. If I love you, I'm going to show it and most of the time without the expectation that it will be shown to me.

At some point, when someone says it to you, you do need to have some expectations of what LOVE should look like even in friendships.


Relationships are really a two way street and even though people can love differently, I think that true LOVE is definitely action and not just three words. I think some don't really understand the true power of those words and take them lightly. I don't.

If I ever say those words to you, even as a friend, I mean it wholeheartedly. I get annoyed with those who will be quick to say, "I love you!" and their actions don't back it up.


I think I've provided TRUE love but haven't received it.

(Or received it in the manner that I needed it.)
Me,too.
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Reply #63 posted 10/05/07 3:32pm

Rhondab

Lothan said:

Rhondab said:



In all honesty, this is how I approached love. I had the notion that if I loved someone it was about my love towards them. I believe in showing it and being in it. I'm a giver my nature. If I love you, I'm going to show it and most of the time without the expectation that it will be shown to me.

At some point, when someone says it to you, you do need to have some expectations of what LOVE should look like even in friendships.


Relationships are really a two way street and even though people can love differently, I think that true LOVE is definitely action and not just three words. I think some don't really understand the true power of those words and take them lightly. I don't.

If I ever say those words to you, even as a friend, I mean it wholeheartedly. I get annoyed with those who will be quick to say, "I love you!" and their actions don't back it up.


I think I've provided TRUE love but haven't received it.

(Or received it in the manner that I needed it.)
Me,too.



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Reply #64 posted 10/06/07 3:38am

billyjackbitch

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Lothan said:

Oh, fuck that. lol

Yes, we may allow people to do stuff to us, it does not excuse in any way, shape, form or fashion that that person has done those things. This is the reason why I don't love the people I was in love with before.

Thank heaven above that I learned a lesson from all of them and thank God the person I choose to love now has shown he is indeed worthy and has indeed shown me that he loves me. Had I not come across this man, I would have nothing but hate for those others.



yeah...I can't flow with that either. lol

I think we're taking the word "worthy" and having it mean that they aren't worthy of any love. I know that's not what i was saying. Maybe the better term is deserving and not worthy.

I don't have any animosity towards my exes but I'm not going have some la la land view of past loves and relationships either. Wish them well and keep it moving.


I don't believe in being bitter at all. I do believe in letting go and moving forward but I do believe having a realistic view of what the relationship really was. If there is no love lost, as with Lothan's relationships, so be it. If you have love for them all like BJB, so be it. As long as its not from some unhealthy place, so be it.


Changing the word 'worthy' into 'deserving' changes the entire discussion.

The love I speak of is not the deepfelt love you have for someone you are IN a relationship with.
It is the kind of love, best described by the Dalai Lama:

''If you can, help others; if you cannot do that, at least do not harm them.''

I hope this quote helps you see the kind of love I mean.
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Reply #65 posted 10/06/07 4:03am

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Reply #66 posted 10/06/07 5:21am

shanti0608

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Reply #67 posted 10/06/07 7:45am

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heybaby said:

DexMSR said:

The feelings of your inner sanctum does not die because the feelings or personal blueprint that brought you to say "I love you" in the first place never wanes or changes. Everything that has ever made you smile WILL make you smile again!

Their may have been pain along the way. There may have been misunderstandings that you may have to try and overcome, but know this....the LOVE never goes away. Your lives may go in different directions but if you truly loved ANYONE when thoughts of that person arise good or bad...your heart still moves.

I have these very thoughts day in and day out and I can still say.....

I smile!

peace


I don't think so. making me smile doesn't 'mellow things out' for me. I'm a person who focuses on actions instead of words. Those actions determine how I percieve that person to be and where its going. 9/10 i can figure out how it will end. The little things. Those same actions influence how i would feel in the end about that person and if they deserve it. How can you still love someone who in some form has shown you that they don't love you back? I can't shrug


If they didn't love yo back...then I understand. But if there was mutual admiration and conveyance of love....even when the relationship wanes, you still feel the feelings even after it is over....at least I do. If I ever told anyone I loved them....I will do so forever whether we are together or not.

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Reply #68 posted 10/06/07 8:04am

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Reply #69 posted 10/06/07 12:45pm

ZAUBERFLOTE

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Dex,

do any of your loves say, " Just shut up and FUCK ME"
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Reply #70 posted 10/06/07 1:03pm

rachel3

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Eh, I disagree. shrug

Thoughts of love, even with the person I love now, are very painful. Exes, past loves of my life, reflection tells me it wasn't truly love and even if it were, those people were not worthy of that love. I may be a wee bit bitter but I am moving on. I look to one day forgive so I can close that chapter in my life.



Damn girl I love you!!!!! I am so on point with you!!!!
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Reply #71 posted 10/06/07 2:11pm

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Unconditional love, it has to be only two people, including my ex-husband. I still care about his well-being, talk to him on a regular basis, even if we have gone on with our lives. If I don't feel it now (which I am chicken shit when it come to love, I now agree with that about myself), then it was not really love, but a phase of confusion, momentary insanity... lol in my life. This confusing, chaotic phase lasted about three solid years of my adult life. wacky

If I could of learned all that I know now... I would of choose a different path for sure, alas, apparently everything happens for a reason. Hmm. Most of it I accept, while there are still moments I could of done without, yet I have accepted these moments as well. One has too to move on with life after all is said and done, no matter what, I feel. rose

However, young love does and has disappeared all together (for me) and I can laugh about some of it now. While love, as we grow with life and experience, is far more resilient, if not eternal. rose Could this be called mature love? There is a big difference I strongly feel, at least is has been for me.
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Reply #72 posted 10/07/07 7:45am

shanti0608

For me loving someone is reserved for just a "special few" in my life. I believe that all ppl come into our lives for a reason. Some ppl come into our lives for just a short period of time. I guess maybe just to teach us something- just for a lesson at that time in our life. Then there are ppl that are there to stay for a long period of time - ppl that you can learn and grown with.
There have been ppl that were in my life that I loved with all I had and it just was not meant to be- I still appreciate everything I learned from that person but that does not mean I still love them. My love is reserved and while I can still care about someone's well-being that does not mean that I still feel love for them.
I spent 10 years with someone that I respected and that I learned a lot from and I still carry those lessons with me today. Some say that since I no longer love him that I never really loved him.
I do not think that is true really..there are different types/levels of love. We just misunderstood the level at which our love was at when we made the long term commitment. I learned a very valuable lesson from those 10 years.
I wish him all of the happiness - we decided it was best to cut all ties with one another. We spent our due time together..that is what was meant to be- we held on for way too long without feeling the love that we both needed to stay together as a couple.
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Reply #73 posted 10/08/07 12:02am

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ZAUBERFLOTE said:

Dex,

do any of your loves say, " Just shut up and FUCK ME"



Not currently....THERE ARE NO LOVES TO SPEAK OF RIGHT NOW...
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Reply #74 posted 10/08/07 3:10am

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I lack the energy to read all this shit right now lol but I'm cool w/ my exes. The only thing I regret is that it took me so long to end those relationships - had I gotten out sooner instead of waiting for everything to DIE I think I would be "healthier" now. But it's the past, you learn & move on. Shit is cool now, I recently spent "quality time" w/ the only one who still has it like that lol & they've done some FUCKED UP SHIT in the past, but @ the core they're good guys which is why I fell for their asses in the first place. My belief is that being in love is fleeting, but once you love someone it really doesn't fade (which is why it can hurt so bad). I still love these guys, but I'll never compromise for them in the ways I have before. We're friends, nothing bullshitty or weepy about it. Clarity is key, & now is whatever I want it to be in regard to them. It's breezy & it works for me...
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Reply #75 posted 10/08/07 4:52am

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DexMSR said:

The feelings of your inner sanctum does not die because the feelings or personal blueprint that brought you to say "I love you" in the first place never wanes or changes. Everything that has ever made you smile WILL make you smile again!

Their may have been pain along the way. There may have been misunderstandings that you may have to try and overcome, but know this....the LOVE never goes away. Your lives may go in different directions but if you truly loved ANYONE when thoughts of that person arise good or bad...your heart still moves.

I have these very thoughts day in and day out and I can still say.....

I smile!

peace



I absolutely have to agree. smile Love IS a wonderful thing.
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Reply #76 posted 10/08/07 11:02am

MIGUELGOMEZ

Amen!

I still love the motherfucker that I was with for 8 years. I broke it off after he fucked up.

Don't know why, but that love is still there.....although we can never be together ever again.
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Reply #77 posted 10/08/07 10:29pm

HereToRockYour
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teller said:

Byron said:

Is this the REAL Teller, btw? lol... eek

You betcha. smile


That was a long orgbreak. wink
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Reply #78 posted 10/08/07 10:33pm

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I used to think I could never stop loving somebody once I started. I still think that, but I'm less sure that I'm right.

I will say that I think some bridges ought to be burned. Love or not, sometimes people need to be kicked out of our lives. I know people who can't do it, and suffer the consequences of the lingering, toxic ex. I'm all for being civil, but I'm also making sure to keep some needed boundaries in my life.
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Reply #79 posted 10/08/07 10:39pm

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teller said:[quote]

evenstar said:



Unless there is a personality change, new, negative information revealed, etc., the real thing really does last forever. You may not get butterflies in your tummy all the time, but you'll always be strongly attracted, hopefully enough to get over the rough spots.



This makes sense to me, but there's a nuance that I've been considering. . .

Well, look. Sometimes we flat-out invent idealized people, lie to ourselves, force people into boxes, etc. And then we are really in love with our own idea of a person, and that can fall totally apart.

But there's also this more subtle thing. Where. . .hmm. . .like, when you fan embers the right way, they glow. And sometimes one person brings that out in another. And you fall in love with the glowing person. And then you break up, or whatever, and stop "fanning", and the glow fades away. Then, to me, it feels more like loving a memory of that person who doesn't exist anymore. . .now just a dark, burned-up thing.
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Reply #80 posted 10/09/07 3:12am

billyjackbitch

HereToRockYourWorld said:[quote]

teller said:

evenstar said:



Unless there is a personality change, new, negative information revealed, etc., the real thing really does last forever. You may not get butterflies in your tummy all the time, but you'll always be strongly attracted, hopefully enough to get over the rough spots.



This makes sense to me, but there's a nuance that I've been considering. . .

Well, look. Sometimes we flat-out invent idealized people, lie to ourselves, force people into boxes, etc. And then we are really in love with our own idea of a person, and that can fall totally apart.

But there's also this more subtle thing. Where. . .hmm. . .like, when you fan embers the right way, they glow. And sometimes one person brings that out in another. And you fall in love with the glowing person. And then you break up, or whatever, and stop "fanning", and the glow fades away. Then, to me, it feels more like loving a memory of that person who doesn't exist anymore. . .now just a dark, burned-up thing.


Interesting. I had a long talk with a very dear friend of mine once, regarding this subject. He was wondering whether he had really truly loved his ex-girlfriend or if he loved the image he had of her from the time when they met.
It makes you wonder, if people are in love with being in love sometimes.

But I still agree: when the heart is moved when you think back about a past lover, the love is still there. You still smile at that memory and hope that he or she is doing well.
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Reply #81 posted 10/09/07 4:30am

shanti0608

I feel like one shallow cold hearted bitch because I no longer love any of my exes. I do not hate them or wish them unhappiness.
I hold the time we had together as special and I appreciate all I learned during our time together. I had an ex that abused me and I do not hold a grudge or hate him for it. I hope he resolves some of the issues that caused him to be so angry and violent. I no longer love nor hate any of them..I am just the type of person that moves on when it is done it is done..
I wish them well but I no longer feel love for them at all.
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Reply #82 posted 10/09/07 8:21am

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shanti0608 said:

I feel like one shallow cold hearted bitch because I no longer love any of my exes. I do not hate them or wish them unhappiness.
I hold the time we had together as special and I appreciate all I learned during our time together. I had an ex that abused me and I do not hold a grudge or hate him for it. I hope he resolves some of the issues that caused him to be so angry and violent. I no longer love nor hate any of them..I am just the type of person that moves on when it is done it is done..
I wish them well but I no longer feel love for them at all.


Sounds pretty healthy to me.
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Reply #83 posted 10/09/07 9:04am

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For me love is trust understanding, love two side not one side, love
can be blind don't see any thing happen after it to late. I learn
that the herd way.
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Reply #84 posted 10/09/07 2:11pm

shanti0608

HereToRockYourWorld said:

shanti0608 said:

I feel like one shallow cold hearted bitch because I no longer love any of my exes. I do not hate them or wish them unhappiness.
I hold the time we had together as special and I appreciate all I learned during our time together. I had an ex that abused me and I do not hold a grudge or hate him for it. I hope he resolves some of the issues that caused him to be so angry and violent. I no longer love nor hate any of them..I am just the type of person that moves on when it is done it is done..
I wish them well but I no longer feel love for them at all.


Sounds pretty healthy to me.



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Reply #85 posted 10/09/07 6:02pm

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roseland said:

For me love is trust understanding, love two side not one side, love
can be blind don't see any thing happen after it to late. I learn
that the herd way.

Yeah.
I've learned to steer away from 'em.
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Reply #86 posted 10/13/07 1:25am

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....every now and then it might rain.
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Reply #87 posted 10/13/07 7:35am

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MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Amen!

I still love the motherfucker that I was with for 8 years. I broke it off after he fucked up.

Don't know why, but that love is still there.....although we can never be together ever again.



I know how you feel, I had to let someone go for my own health and sanity.....I still love him, but I love myself more and knew the relationship hurting me in may ways, just couldnt do it

It was one of the hardest things I ever had2 do, I'm in a happy relationship with some1 else now, although Ill still always pray for my past love cause God knows he needs it!

'If I loose the highs, at least I'll spare the lows' that lyric sums it up really
All of me I give 2 thee down at your feet
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Reply #88 posted 10/14/07 11:03am

MIGUELGOMEZ

beautifullandb said:

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Amen!

I still love the motherfucker that I was with for 8 years. I broke it off after he fucked up.

Don't know why, but that love is still there.....although we can never be together ever again.



I know how you feel, I had to let someone go for my own health and sanity.....I still love him, but I love myself more and knew the relationship hurting me in may ways, just couldnt do it

It was one of the hardest things I ever had2 do, I'm in a happy relationship with some1 else now, although Ill still always pray for my past love cause God knows he needs it!

'If I loose the highs, at least I'll spare the lows' that lyric sums it up really



When you've had enough, you've had enough. I'm glad to hear you moved on.
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Reply #89 posted 10/14/07 11:29am

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I've come to realize that I can not longer speak intelligently on this particular subject or anything related to it... that's not a good thing.
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