emocheerleader said: shanti0608 said: ACD's I will have another one someday The question for you then or anyone else who would have an ACD is would you get a pitbull? Well I do not get a dog unless I know and understand the breed. I do not adopt a stray dog unless I can give it the best home..there is a lot that goes into having a dog. It is a lifelong commitment. I owned a pit bull mix several years ago- I had a large yard and we never had kids around. I want another ACD because I understand and love the breed. As Shellevon said- ACD's are not for everyone and I would not have one right now because I am not living in a place that an ACD would be happy and content. If you have an unhappy and discontented ACD then the owners are also unhappy... Owning a pet is a serious decision. | |
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shanti0608 said: emocheerleader said: The question for you then or anyone else who would have an ACD is would you get a pitbull? Well I do not get a dog unless I know and understand the breed. I do not adopt a stray dog unless I can give it the best home..there is a lot that goes into having a dog. It is a lifelong commitment. I owned a pit bull mix several years ago- I had a large yard and we never had kids around. I want another ACD because I understand and love the breed. As Shellevon said- ACD's are not for everyone and I would not have one right now because I am not living in a place that an ACD would be happy and content. If you have an unhappy and discontented ACD then the owners are also unhappy... Owning a pet is a serious decision. truth... although i cant believe this stupid thread is still going are you ready for submission
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eraclito said: shanti0608 said: Well I do not get a dog unless I know and understand the breed. I do not adopt a stray dog unless I can give it the best home..there is a lot that goes into having a dog. It is a lifelong commitment. I owned a pit bull mix several years ago- I had a large yard and we never had kids around. I want another ACD because I understand and love the breed. As Shellevon said- ACD's are not for everyone and I would not have one right now because I am not living in a place that an ACD would be happy and content. If you have an unhappy and discontented ACD then the owners are also unhappy... Owning a pet is a serious decision. truth... although i cant believe this stupid thread is still going IGNORANCE ..... | |
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eraclito said: shanti0608 said: Well I do not get a dog unless I know and understand the breed. I do not adopt a stray dog unless I can give it the best home..there is a lot that goes into having a dog. It is a lifelong commitment. I owned a pit bull mix several years ago- I had a large yard and we never had kids around. I want another ACD because I understand and love the breed. As Shellevon said- ACD's are not for everyone and I would not have one right now because I am not living in a place that an ACD would be happy and content. If you have an unhappy and discontented ACD then the owners are also unhappy... Owning a pet is a serious decision. truth... although i cant believe this stupid thread is still going And I am still eating Procrastination is the art of keeping up with yesterday.
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shanti0608 said: emocheerleader said: The question for you then or anyone else who would have an ACD is would you get a pitbull? Well I do not get a dog unless I know and understand the breed. I do not adopt a stray dog unless I can give it the best home..there is a lot that goes into having a dog. It is a lifelong commitment. I owned a pit bull mix several years ago- I had a large yard and we never had kids around. I want another ACD because I understand and love the breed. As Shellevon said- ACD's are not for everyone and I would not have one right now because I am not living in a place that an ACD would be happy and content. If you have an unhappy and discontented ACD then the owners are also unhappy... Owning a pet is a serious decision. ok but that still doesn't answer my question. You hate me I hate you so go fall in ditch | |
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emocheerleader said: shanti0608 said: Well I do not get a dog unless I know and understand the breed. I do not adopt a stray dog unless I can give it the best home..there is a lot that goes into having a dog. It is a lifelong commitment. I owned a pit bull mix several years ago- I had a large yard and we never had kids around. I want another ACD because I understand and love the breed. As Shellevon said- ACD's are not for everyone and I would not have one right now because I am not living in a place that an ACD would be happy and content. If you have an unhappy and discontented ACD then the owners are also unhappy... Owning a pet is a serious decision. ok but that still doesn't answer my question. YES I would ...I have owned a pit bull before... If I really wanted one and lived where it would be safe and happy then I would. YOUR point???? | |
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If people did a little research they would find that some breeds are the same as others (and yes I know they are all dogs which makes them all related.)
Take for example ACDs and pitbulls, Pitbulls are breed to hurd bulls which are what? male cows right? well ACDs are breed to do what? hurd cows which are what? female cows. What is the differance? You hate me I hate you so go fall in ditch | |
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emocheerleader said: If people did a little research they would find that some breeds are the same as others (and yes I know they are all dogs which makes them all related.)
Take for example ACDs and pitbulls, Pitbulls are breed to hurd bulls which are what? male cows right? well ACDs are breed to do what? hurd cows which are what? female cows. What is the differance? You do know that at your age you should not be drinking dont you? | |
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emocheerleader said: If people did a little research they would find that some breeds are the same as others (and yes I know they are all dogs which makes them all related.)
Take for example ACDs and pitbulls, Pitbulls are breed to hurd bulls which are what? male cows right? well ACDs are breed to do what? hurd cows which are what? female cows. What is the differance? Do you mean HERD??? | |
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shanti0608 said: emocheerleader said: ok but that still doesn't answer my question. YES I would ...I have owned a pit bull before... If I really wanted one and lived where it would be safe and happy then I would. YOUR point???? I didn't mean to make it seem like I was just asking you it was for everyone really, It just seems unfair for people to say they would get one type of dog and not another just because of the breed history. Being a former pitbull owner it makes it a little harder to to answer the way someone who never had one would, I am sorry to have bitten your head off if it came out that way. You hate me I hate you so go fall in ditch | |
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emocheerleader said: shanti0608 said: YES I would ...I have owned a pit bull before... If I really wanted one and lived where it would be safe and happy then I would. YOUR point???? I didn't mean to make it seem like I was just asking you it was for everyone really, It just seems unfair for people to say they would get one type of dog and not another just because of the breed history. Being a former pitbull owner it makes it a little harder to to answer the way someone who never had one would, I am sorry to have bitten your head off if it came out that way. No I really do not care what you say or what you think really. I have a preference of a specific breed because it is what I like and what I understand. All breeds are unique and have unique requirements from their owners. I have no desire to have another pit bull..so why should I? I do not see what your point is really? It is what is best for the dog and the owner. | |
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mdiver said: emocheerleader said: If people did a little research they would find that some breeds are the same as others (and yes I know they are all dogs which makes them all related.)
Take for example ACDs and pitbulls, Pitbulls are breed to hurd bulls which are what? male cows right? well ACDs are breed to do what? hurd cows which are what? female cows. What is the differance? You do know that at your age you should not be drinking dont you? but my point still stands You hate me I hate you so go fall in ditch | |
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emocheerleader said: mdiver said: You do know that at your age you should not be drinking dont you? but my point still stands Which I am failing to see? Can you explain? | |
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emocheerleader said: mdiver said: You do know that at your age you should not be drinking dont you? but my point still stands No..you didnt make a point you rambled incoherently like you have been in the park drinking cider | |
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mdiver said: emocheerleader said: but my point still stands No..you didnt make a point you rambled incoherently like you have been in the park drinking cider Procrastination is the art of keeping up with yesterday.
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after everything I said I guess I can simplafy it down to some people will refuse to get one breed and get another that is basicly the same thing but just has a differant type of coat.
I can understand that some would look at whether they have the proper set up for a breed or not and determan from that like you did but alot of people don't do that they look at the breed and how it would portray the way they want to be seen as a person You hate me I hate you so go fall in ditch | |
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emocheerleader said: after everything I said I guess I can simplafy it down to some people will refuse to get one breed and get another that is basicly the same thing but just has a differant type of coat.
I can understand that some would look at whether they have the proper set up for a breed or not and determan from that like you did but alot of people don't do that they look at the breed and how it would portray the way they want to be seen as a person That is cobblers...really you dont understand and are talking utter crap. | |
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emocheerleader said: after everything I said I guess I can simplafy it down to some people will refuse to get one breed and get another that is basicly the same thing but just has a differant type of coat.
I can understand that some would look at whether they have the proper set up for a breed or not and determan from that like you did but alot of people don't do that they look at the breed and how it would portray the way they want to be seen as a person I see your point now though I was having trouble with the spelling. I guess that is why I say some humans do not deserve to have pets. I am not the type of person that wants a popular breed to look cool or give off the impression that I have a dog that can tear you apart. I think breeds need to be protected. ACD's are not popular and I guess that is one reason I love them. Just means humans have not over breed them and fucked them up. | |
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mdiver said: emocheerleader said: after everything I said I guess I can simplafy it down to some people will refuse to get one breed and get another that is basicly the same thing but just has a differant type of coat.
I can understand that some would look at whether they have the proper set up for a breed or not and determan from that like you did but alot of people don't do that they look at the breed and how it would portray the way they want to be seen as a person That is cobblers...really you dont understand and are talking utter crap. Why is it that I don't understand? You hate me I hate you so go fall in ditch | |
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emocheerleader said: mdiver said: That is cobblers...really you dont understand and are talking utter crap. Why is it that I don't understand? Because you dont know what you are talking about | |
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mdiver said: emocheerleader said: Why is it that I don't understand? Because you dont know what you are talking about first off that is not understanding and second I know perfectly well what I am talking about it's other people that can't comprehend what is being said. You hate me I hate you so go fall in ditch | |
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emocheerleader said: mdiver said: Because you dont know what you are talking about first off that is not understanding and second I know perfectly well what I am talking about it's other people that can't comprehend what is being said. Errr no you dont and perhaps if everyone does not comprehend then it has something to do with you not being able to coherently deliver the information you want | |
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NDRU said: meow85 said: I don't think it's that they're any meaner or more vicious than bigger dogs, it's just that small dogs are allowed to get away with more, i.e. nipping, barking, etc. That could be true. People don't think they're dangerous, and people with little dogs tend to treat them like babies more than dogs, and spoil them & let them do whatever they want! Not that I'm stereotyping or anything I don't think that's stereotyping. A lot of people seem to forget their precious little Bichon Frise is descended from wolves just as much as a Rottweiler is. Inside that itty bitty fluffy body lies the soul of a predator. But these dogs' diminutive size makes their nipping at people, growling, barking, chewing, marking territory and in general terrorizing it's humans seem more adorable than frightening. From what I've seen, some of the worst problem dogs are smaller ones like terriers, precisely because people don't understand their demeanor. I have a JRT I got from a rescue society in January, and to say terrorist is an apt nickname for the breed is an understatement. Seems his past owners were big fans of shows like Frasier and Wishbone, and got him under the impression he'd be docile and easy to control like the dogs on TV. He's better behaved now than he was when I got him, but it's taken a lot of work and he'll probably never be able to go out in public without a muzzle and safety harness. If the original owners had even a clue how to handle Jack Russells properly, he wouldn't be such a pain in the ass now. God love 'im. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: NDRU said: That could be true. People don't think they're dangerous, and people with little dogs tend to treat them like babies more than dogs, and spoil them & let them do whatever they want! Not that I'm stereotyping or anything I don't think that's stereotyping. A lot of people seem to forget their precious little Bichon Frise is descended from wolves just as much as a Rottweiler is. Inside that itty bitty fluffy body lies the soul of a predator. But these dogs' diminutive size makes their nipping at people, growling, barking, chewing, marking territory and in general terrorizing it's humans seem more adorable than frightening. From what I've seen, some of the worst problem dogs are smaller ones like terriers, precisely because people don't understand their demeanor. I have a JRT I got from a rescue society in January, and to say terrorist is an apt nickname for the breed is an understatement. Seems his past owners were big fans of shows like Frasier and Wishbone, and got him under the impression he'd be docile and easy to control like the dogs on TV. He's better behaved now than he was when I got him, but it's taken a lot of work and he'll probably never be able to go out in public without a muzzle and safety harness. If the original owners had even a clue how to handle Jack Russells properly, he wouldn't be such a pain in the ass now. God love 'im. killer jack russles! oh god save us! | |
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mdiver said: emocheerleader said: first off that is not understanding and second I know perfectly well what I am talking about it's other people that can't comprehend what is being said. Errr no you dont and perhaps if everyone does not comprehend then it has something to do with you not being able to coherently deliver the information you want Maybe she's dyslexic. I understood her point. "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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emocheerleader said: It just seems unfair for people to say they would get one type of dog and not another just because of the breed history.
I really don't think it's unfair. I mean, I wouldn't really want to own a Border Collie or working line Malinois (for examples) because those breeds typically have a lot of energy and an intense desire to find something to do with it. I like couch potatoes. I think it's perfectly fair and actually pretty wise to choose a breed or mix of breeds based on lifestyle. Just because one breed may be a good fit in your (general your) lifestyle, it doesn't mean any dog would. That said, I think the hysteria over pit bull type dogs is ridiculous. Most people would not know a pit bull if it licked them in the face. Every decade or two, the demon dog seems to change. It used to be Rottweilers. And Dobermans. And German Shepherds. I think the biggest reason for the perceived rise in pit bull attacks is because they are so often misidentified. I've seen everything from those big muscle-necked, broad-headed, hulking dogs to much smaller and slender built dogs called pit bulls. Heck, someone once stopped me at a gas station and asked if the dogs in my car were "long haired pit bulls." They're freakin' Standard Poodles. One example of misidentification was very near me. A child was killed by a Great Dane. It was all over the news as a pit bull attack. When the info came that it was, in fact, a Great Dane, interest in the story dropped to zero. That's just sad. That's only one example of many, many cases where mass hysteria has people reporting everything as a pit bull. It has become more of a loose description than a breed standard. Many years ago, the pit bull was considered a family dog. Petey on Little Rascals was a pit bull. "Real" Pit Bulls are not supposed to be aggressive. Human aggression in a "real" American Pit Bull Terrier is considered a serious breed flaw. Those big, hulking things people claim as pit bulls are... well, not pit bulls. I'll certainly agree that the thugs owning, "training," and breeding such dogs and continuing to label them pit bulls do a lot of damage to the reputation of the good dogs and their responsible owners. The thing that scares the crap out of me about breed specific legislation is (among many things) that they often include pit bull types. By many of the inaccurate descriptions I've seen, this means many poorly bred dogs and mixed breed dogs with zero pit bull in them would be affected. I've seen Great Danes, Dalmatians, shorter haired Cattle Dogs, my Standard Poodles (of all stupid things) and many, many, many other dogs incorrectly identified as pit bulls or pit bull types. Since this type of legislation leaves it open to the interpretation of whatever underpaid, underqualified individual to identify these dogs, are you willing to give up your dog when that power that be incorrectly identifies it and calls for its execution? That's only one of the 38749283 flaws with that kind of legislation. I have no dog in this fight (pardon the bad pun). I don't have a pit bull and have no desire to own one simply because I do recognize their often intense energy and tendency toward animal aggression (just as I recognize a herder's tendency toward herding behavior, a terrier's tendency toward digging, etc.), and I have a multi-pet household. If I planned to ever have only one or two dogs and stopped doing rescue work which requires fostering, I'd have no problem owning a pit bull. If I ever decide to get off the couch and do a bit of agility or fly-ball, I'd have no problem owning a Border Collie or Parson Russell Terrier. Etc. Etc. Etc. with various breeds that wouldn't fit my lifestyle as permanent residents. grammar edit [Edited 10/7/07 23:41pm] Murica: at least it's not Sudan. | |
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shellyevon said: mdiver said: Errr no you dont and perhaps if everyone does not comprehend then it has something to do with you not being able to coherently deliver the information you want Maybe she's dyslexic. I understood her point. | |
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INSATIABLE said: PANDURITO said: That would be as stupid as having 2 pitbulls I don't know why I'm amazed that people require no more than trite, low-grade AP wire "news" to determine "truths" regarding their entire world. If anyone is questioning my compassion for the family and victims here, they're braindead. But the stories of less "frightening" breeds mauling humans receive nowhere near the publicity as these. Dogs can be vicious animals, absolutely. Pit bulls can and will kill--it's been in the limelight for a long time. But so can other dogs. For people to think that all pits are ferocious is sad. It would just be nice if the repeatedly horrified public would open up their minds a tiny bit. Well....if it's any argument...a two year old was mauled by two German Shepards last week. He wandered into the neighbor's yard and got tangled up in their chains. Then a few weeks before that, a lab mix breed bit the crap out of a toddler and his father and then it ran off. I'm just saying...It is what it is. Still can't spell...edit [Edited 10/8/07 6:36am] | |
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