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Thread started 09/17/07 7:27am

DarkSideOfBeau
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My 8 year old niece does not love herself!

She tells me that she would be prettier if she has long wavy or straight hair , thinner , had blue or green eyes(her eyes are brown)and fair-skinned. I told her that beauty comes in all races , body types , hair textures , eye colors , hair lengths ,etc but she does not believe it. I told her mother(my sister)about this and you know what she told me? She told me that if her daughter wants straight hair , she can easily go to the drug store and pick up a relaxer but everything else she can't do nothing about it. I am so pissed off about this whole thing I can't even tell you. I've tried everything to convince my niece that she is beautiful just the way she is , but so far nothing works. I've tried talking to my sister AGAIN about this but AGAIN it goes out one ear and out the other. I'm so upset because I don't know what else to do. Anybody here have any suggestions? sad
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Reply #1 posted 09/17/07 8:01am

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hug That's sad that your sister is not doing anything to reassure your niece that she is beautiful just the way she is. sad
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #2 posted 09/17/07 8:04am

DarkSideOfBeau
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psychodelicide said:

hug That's sad that your sister is not doing anything to reassure your niece that she is beautiful just the way she is. sad

I know and it really gets me angry at times.
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Reply #3 posted 09/17/07 8:04am

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DarkSideOfBeauty said:

psychodelicide said:

hug That's sad that your sister is not doing anything to reassure your niece that she is beautiful just the way she is. sad

I know and it really gets me angry at times.


I don't blame you, it would me too.
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #4 posted 09/17/07 8:12am

DarkSideOfBeau
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psychodelicide said:

DarkSideOfBeauty said:


I know and it really gets me angry at times.


I don't blame you, it would me too.

Do you have any suggestions to share? sad
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Reply #5 posted 09/17/07 8:14am

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My 10 year old is the same way.

She doesn't like her hair...doesn't like her teeth.

Then when I tell her she's beautiful she says, "You're my mom...you HAVE to think that."

bawl

She's such an adorable girl. I'm hoping that if I tell her that enough it will be the tape she hears in her head.

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Reply #6 posted 09/17/07 8:15am

LittleSmedley

Nothing you can do about your sister's attitude, just carry on being Lovely Auntie DarkSideOfBeauty nod keep the genuine compliments coming
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Reply #7 posted 09/17/07 8:16am

Mach

DarkSideOfBeauty said:

psychodelicide said:



I don't blame you, it would me too.

Do you have any suggestions to share? sad
What is beautiful about her from the inside ? That is where you could try to focus attention on- Life/society puts so much focus on what's "beautiful" physically - help her shine internally

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Reply #8 posted 09/17/07 8:17am

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All I can think of is to keep reasuuring her that she is beautiful and that the world needs people to look different from each other.

I suppose it depends on what kind of exposure she has had from the media, (magazines especially). Even then, there can be good examples of all sorts of differrent looking people that areregarded as beautiful or 'worthy'(in the public's eye) to be featured in magazines, tv etc....

I know with my daughter that I just always say that it takes a lot of different types of people to keep the world going round... I'm not convinced that this is enough for her... but it keeps her mind ticking abou it....
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Reply #9 posted 09/17/07 8:18am

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DarkSideOfBeauty said:

psychodelicide said:



I don't blame you, it would me too.

Do you have any suggestions to share? sad


I really don't know what can be done. I guess that she has to be constantly fed images that look like herself and reassured that they are beautiful...just as she is.

I was a blonde haired, green eyed child and all I wanted was dark, curly hair. My mom let me get a perm and eventually I started to dye my hair dark. It's just this weird thing that happens where people want what they don't have. I don't think that her wanting to straighten her hair is that big of a deal since hair is a big bone of contention for many people.

But overall, ya...it would be nice if people would just be happy with what they were given instead of trying to fit into some mold.
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Reply #10 posted 09/17/07 8:21am

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Mach said:

DarkSideOfBeauty said:


Do you have any suggestions to share? sad
What is beautiful about her from the inside ? That is where you could try to focus attention on- Life/society puts so much focus on what's "beautiful" physically - help her shine internally

rose


Excellent advice! What are your niece's strengths, what is she good at? If you emphasize those strengths and compliment her on them, it might help her overall outlook about herself.
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #11 posted 09/17/07 8:31am

DarkSideOfBeau
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Thanks everybody! My niece is very caring for not only for her classmates , but for her mother , Me , and everybody. She loves to draw and she loves to dance very well. smile
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Reply #12 posted 09/17/07 8:34am

Mach

DarkSideOfBeauty said:

Thanks everybody! My niece is very caring for not only for her classmates , but for her mother , Me , and everybody. She loves to draw and she loves to dance very well. smile


Dance is a powerful way to express beauty from the inside out thumbs up!

as is drawing nod
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Reply #13 posted 09/17/07 8:35am

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Mach said:

DarkSideOfBeauty said:

Thanks everybody! My niece is very caring for not only for her classmates , but for her mother , Me , and everybody. She loves to draw and she loves to dance very well. smile


Dance is a powerful way to express beauty from the inside out thumbs up!

as is drawing nod


Agreed!
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #14 posted 09/17/07 8:40am

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Reply #15 posted 09/17/07 8:45am

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i can remember wanting very much to look like my friend kendra.
she had long dark beautiful hair and was a tiny little thing
with an exotic look about her.

when i started seeing my niece react the same way to one of her little friends
i tried telling her that we look the way we do because of who we come from
and to be proud of that. in order for me to look like kendra i would have
had to had kendra's parents instead of my own, and i would not have traded
mine for anything in the world.

not exactly a magic bullet but perhaps a different way of viewing her eyes and hair, etc.
doveShe couldn't stop crying 'cause she knew he was gone to stay dove
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Reply #16 posted 09/17/07 8:45am

LittleSmedley

Mach said:



Dance is a powerful way to express beauty from the inside out thumbs up!



Mach's right. I often express my inner beauty through the medium of dance. Ballet is my signature style.
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Reply #17 posted 09/17/07 8:49am

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DarkSideOfBeauty said:

Thanks everybody! My niece is very caring for not only for her classmates , but for her mother , Me , and everybody. She loves to draw and she loves to dance very well. smile


Those are the things to encourage in her. Anything to give her a sense of accomplishment, of esteem, etc.
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Reply #18 posted 09/17/07 8:54am

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emm said:

i can remember wanting very much to look like my friend kendra.
she had long dark beautiful hair and was a tiny little thing
with an exotic look about her.

when i started seeing my niece react the same way to one of her little friends
i tried telling her that we look the way we do because of who we come from
and to be proud of that. in order for me to look like kendra i would have
had to had kendra's parents instead of my own, and i would not have traded
mine for anything in the world.

not exactly a magic bullet but perhaps a different way of viewing her eyes and hair, etc.


That is sweet, emm! hug
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #19 posted 09/17/07 9:22am

ThreadCula

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JustErin said:

DarkSideOfBeauty said:


Do you have any suggestions to share? sad


I really don't know what can be done. I guess that she has to be constantly fed images that look like herself and reassured that they are beautiful...just as she is.

I was a blonde haired, green eyed child and all I wanted was dark, curly hair. My mom let me get a perm and eventually I started to dye my hair dark. It's just this weird thing that happens where people want what they don't have. I don't think that her wanting to straighten her hair is that big of a deal since hair is a big bone of contention for many people.

But overall, ya...it would be nice if people would just be happy with what they were given instead of trying to fit into some mold.



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In highschool I wanted to have the mole on my chin removed. I hated it because no one else had one. My mom always called it a "beauty mark"
I told her I wanted it removed and she freaked.
The next day I came home from school and she had photos of people who had "beauty marks" taped up on my walls. Cindy Crawford,Nikki Taylor,Janet Jackson,Marilyn Monroe. etc.
I totally changed my mind about it.

Its also good that she's creative and loves to dance. Thats the best for self expression
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Reply #20 posted 09/18/07 1:32pm

DarkSideOfBeau
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psychodelicide said:

emm said:

i can remember wanting very much to look like my friend kendra.
she had long dark beautiful hair and was a tiny little thing
with an exotic look about her.

when i started seeing my niece react the same way to one of her little friends
i tried telling her that we look the way we do because of who we come from
and to be proud of that. in order for me to look like kendra i would have
had to had kendra's parents instead of my own, and i would not have traded
mine for anything in the world.

not exactly a magic bullet but perhaps a different way of viewing her eyes and hair, etc.


That is sweet, emm! hug

Thank You , emm! hug
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Reply #21 posted 09/18/07 3:34pm

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I don't have any solid advice, but I wouldn't treat it like a lecture. The questioning is good if it's gentle - why does she feel a certain way, acknowledging different kinds of beauty. Just keep planting little seeds in her that not only is she intelligent & kind & thoughtful, but that she is indeed beautiful as well. That it comes in all forms, that loving herself & knowing her worth inside & out is the best gift she can ever give herself. She'll be too young to get it now, I'm sure. But being an example for her & being positive & appreciative of her beauty & beauty like hers may have an effect on her over time. I pray it does, it's so easy for any child to get twisted in this world. Especially when they don't live up to some "ideal". I hope the best for her hug
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Reply #22 posted 09/18/07 3:50pm

Justin1972UK

Buy her one of the Muppets movies on DVD. Nearly every single one of their movies is about embracing their diversity.
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Reply #23 posted 09/18/07 6:44pm

Calligraphy

Hey, D. hug

I ran into something similar with a relative of mine. She grew up surrounded by the blonde/blue-eyed look all about her, and it became obvious to me, when she was in high school sporting green contacts and raving about a blue-eyed then-girlfriend of mine, that she had internalized some stuff.

That said, it's difficult to know how affected young(er) relatives are by the mass-marketed concept of beauty. And, it's hard for me now to gauge, all these years later, where my relative is. She's a beautiful black woman (who has dropped the contacts, thank God) and seems very secure in herself. So, it's hard, again, to figure out what is a phase, what is a sign that someone needs to be exposed to *their* beauty in affirming settings and what requires more direct confrontation.

I would encourage you to find ways to do the second piece. Find activities that quite openly celebrate the beauty of people who look like her and who are even further away from the look she covets. Show how such people are beautiful and are celebrated as such. It might broaden her appreciation of other people's looks (as well as her own), while erasing the negative values she puts on people who look "different."

I'll never forget the time my mom took me to see an Easter play put on by a dancing troupe in D.C. I must have been 5 at the most. The dancers were wonderful, a-swirl with brightly colored costumes that draped over their brown forms.

"Momma, where's Jesus?" I asked in bewilderment as I gazed at the performance, eyes sweeping from one wing of the stage to the other.

She pointed out the performer playing Him, and responded to my, "But he's black," with an affirming and Earth-shakingly nonchalant: "That's right."

Now, I'm not trying to kick up any dust over that issue. But, her demeanor and act of exposing me to that presentation of the Savior rocked my world in a way I hope I never forget.

Just a thought.
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Reply #24 posted 09/18/07 8:56pm

DarkSideOfBeau
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Calligraphy said:

Hey, D. hug

I ran into something similar with a relative of mine. She grew up surrounded by the blonde/blue-eyed look all about her, and it became obvious to me, when she was in high school sporting green contacts and raving about a blue-eyed then-girlfriend of mine, that she had internalized some stuff.

That said, it's difficult to know how affected young(er) relatives are by the mass-marketed concept of beauty. And, it's hard for me now to gauge, all these years later, where my relative is. She's a beautiful black woman (who has dropped the contacts, thank God) and seems very secure in herself. So, it's hard, again, to figure out what is a phase, what is a sign that someone needs to be exposed to *their* beauty in affirming settings and what requires more direct confrontation.

I would encourage you to find ways to do the second piece. Find activities that quite openly celebrate the beauty of people who look like her and who are even further away from the look she covets. Show how such people are beautiful and are celebrated as such. It might broaden her appreciation of other people's looks (as well as her own), while erasing the negative values she puts on people who look "different."

I'll never forget the time my mom took me to see an Easter play put on by a dancing troupe in D.C. I must have been 5 at the most. The dancers were wonderful, a-swirl with brightly colored costumes that draped over their brown forms.

"Momma, where's Jesus?" I asked in bewilderment as I gazed at the performance, eyes sweeping from one wing of the stage to the other.

She pointed out the performer playing Him, and responded to my, "But he's black," with an affirming and Earth-shakingly nonchalant: "That's right."

Now, I'm not trying to kick up any dust over that issue. But, her demeanor and act of exposing me to that presentation of the Savior rocked my world in a way I hope I never forget.

Just a thought.
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WOW! Thank you so much for that insight , Calligraphy! I really appreciate it! Again , Thank You! hug
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Reply #25 posted 09/18/07 9:00pm

DarkSideOfBeau
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Thank you everybody for your insights , I really appreciate it wholeheartly! grouphug
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Reply #26 posted 09/19/07 3:03am

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Calligraphy said:

Hey, D. hug

I ran into something similar with a relative of mine. She grew up surrounded by the blonde/blue-eyed look all about her, and it became obvious to me, when she was in high school sporting green contacts and raving about a blue-eyed then-girlfriend of mine, that she had internalized some stuff.

That said, it's difficult to know how affected young(er) relatives are by the mass-marketed concept of beauty. And, it's hard for me now to gauge, all these years later, where my relative is. She's a beautiful black woman (who has dropped the contacts, thank God) and seems very secure in herself. So, it's hard, again, to figure out what is a phase, what is a sign that someone needs to be exposed to *their* beauty in affirming settings and what requires more direct confrontation.

I would encourage you to find ways to do the second piece. Find activities that quite openly celebrate the beauty of people who look like her and who are even further away from the look she covets. Show how such people are beautiful and are celebrated as such. It might broaden her appreciation of other people's looks (as well as her own), while erasing the negative values she puts on people who look "different."

I'll never forget the time my mom took me to see an Easter play put on by a dancing troupe in D.C. I must have been 5 at the most. The dancers were wonderful, a-swirl with brightly colored costumes that draped over their brown forms.

"Momma, where's Jesus?" I asked in bewilderment as I gazed at the performance, eyes sweeping from one wing of the stage to the other.

She pointed out the performer playing Him, and responded to my, "But he's black," with an affirming and Earth-shakingly nonchalant: "That's right."

Now, I'm not trying to kick up any dust over that issue. But, her demeanor and act of exposing me to that presentation of the Savior rocked my world in a way I hope I never forget.

Just a thought.
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Reply #27 posted 09/19/07 6:31pm

Calligraphy

CalhounSq said:

Calligraphy said:

Hey, D. hug

I ran into something similar with a relative of mine. She grew up surrounded by the blonde/blue-eyed look all about her, and it became obvious to me, when she was in high school sporting green contacts and raving about a blue-eyed then-girlfriend of mine, that she had internalized some stuff.

That said, it's difficult to know how affected young(er) relatives are by the mass-marketed concept of beauty. And, it's hard for me now to gauge, all these years later, where my relative is. She's a beautiful black woman (who has dropped the contacts, thank God) and seems very secure in herself. So, it's hard, again, to figure out what is a phase, what is a sign that someone needs to be exposed to *their* beauty in affirming settings and what requires more direct confrontation.

I would encourage you to find ways to do the second piece. Find activities that quite openly celebrate the beauty of people who look like her and who are even further away from the look she covets. Show how such people are beautiful and are celebrated as such. It might broaden her appreciation of other people's looks (as well as her own), while erasing the negative values she puts on people who look "different."

I'll never forget the time my mom took me to see an Easter play put on by a dancing troupe in D.C. I must have been 5 at the most. The dancers were wonderful, a-swirl with brightly colored costumes that draped over their brown forms.

"Momma, where's Jesus?" I asked in bewilderment as I gazed at the performance, eyes sweeping from one wing of the stage to the other.

She pointed out the performer playing Him, and responded to my, "But he's black," with an affirming and Earth-shakingly nonchalant: "That's right."

Now, I'm not trying to kick up any dust over that issue. But, her demeanor and act of exposing me to that presentation of the Savior rocked my world in a way I hope I never forget.

Just a thought.
[Edited 9/18/07 18:46pm]


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Reply #28 posted 09/19/07 7:01pm

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Don't keep harping on how she's beautiful -- just keep her focused on the things she already feels good about! Go to her dance recitals (if she takes class) and compliment her performance. If she draws a picture, tell you love it -- and thank her for it.

I think we spend way too much time focusing on the physical. Frankly, a lot of folks aren't beautiful physically -- and they usually know it. If you go on and on protesting that they really are beautiful, they're going to know you're lying. (Kids, especially, are very perceptive that way.)

It's much better (IMO) for kids to gain their self-esteem from doing (which they can control) versus how they look (which they mostly can't control). Ever heard the saying, "Pretty is as pretty does"?
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Reply #29 posted 09/19/07 8:53pm

Calligraphy

Genesia said:

Don't keep harping on how she's beautiful -- just keep her focused on the things she already feels good about! Go to her dance recitals (if she takes class) and compliment her performance. If she draws a picture, tell you love it -- and thank her for it.

I think we spend way too much time focusing on the physical. Frankly, a lot of folks aren't beautiful physically -- and they usually know it. If you go on and on protesting that they really are beautiful, they're going to know you're lying. (Kids, especially, are very perceptive that way.)

It's much better (IMO) for kids to gain their self-esteem from doing (which they can control) versus how they look (which they mostly can't control). Ever heard the saying, "Pretty is as pretty does"?


I think if D tells her niece she's beautiful, she'll mean it. There's nothing wrong with helping a child understand that beauty encompasses all of us, regardless of how close we come to some mass-marketed "standard." It reinforces the point you make about the substance of a person being what's important.

But, it also introduces a child to the concept that everyone is beautiful and can be appreciated as such.
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