If you particpate in a same sex experience once, do you think that it makes the participant(s) gay? What if the you did it and did not enjoy it? What if you did it once and have never done it again (by choice), and have no desire to do it again? In one of my classes, it stated that 1) a significant part of heterosexual men are aroused when they see another man naked (in porno's) and 2) many men have masturbated in front of other men (circle jerks-primarily during adolescence and early adulthood). This was suprising to me, and with many gay threads that I have seen on the org., I thought to put it out there and see what the responses were. Oh yeah, this is not for both sexes, FEMALE and MALE!

everybody experiment here and there, it doesn't mean a thing.

No it doesn't make you gay if you did once . Because you tried it or experimented. You just wanted to Know . I don't see anything wrong with finding out what you enjoy or can Embrace. How in the world would you know if you don't try something sexually? By the way don't think I condone Everything cause I don't! By the way what did you do and did you enjoy the experience and were you drunk or drugged up?

No, it doesn't mean you are gay. These days, homosexuality is not so much considered a behavior than a genuine attraction to the same sex. It is well-known that, given some circumstances that exclude the other sex (such as jail or any other prolonged setting that surrounds you with members of your own sex), many men are quite capable of engaging in "homosexual behavior". However, they will go back to women the minute they get a chance. Still, psychologists are taught to view sexual preference as a continuum rather than an "either/or" situation, meaning that we all possess some potential for the other choice, no matter how marked we think our preference is.

Given these facts, someone who "explores" is probably acting in a more genuinely sexual way than a cultural one. By that, I mean that IF we did not live in a world that strongly encourages us to pick one sex over the other and stick to it, we would probably see more "exploration" that is purely based on the sexual factors. If sexuality is a continuum, then a completely unrepressed society would see a bit of everything and more exploration. As it is, not so many people allow themselves to experience the other option compared to the actual potential. This is true both for heteros and homos. There are many men who have been exclusively gay all their lives who might have enjoyed having sex with women from time to time if it wasn't for feeling obligated to stick to one choice.

Finally, in some cases, feeling a bit disgusted at homosexuality while trying it doesn't mean the person is not gay. I believe that quite a large percentage of gay men felt disgusted when they first had sex with another man. This is hardly surprising, given the fact the idea that homosexuality is yucky is ingrained. Sure, now we have gay sitcoms and everything, but this is a recent phenomenon. During the last 100 years, the pressure to conform to the heterosexual norm has been extremely strong and applied in schoolyards, locker rooms and whatnot... So it's not at all surprising the first experiences produce a feeling of disgust. We have definitely been encouraged to view it as dirty. In fact, I right now know some gay guys who are still disgusted with their sexuality. The difference is that the attraction to men is still omnipresent and unavoidable in their case, whereas someone who "explores" once or twice and then continues to fantasize mostly about women is most probably acting on genuine sexual curiosity rather than a preferred option.
[This message was edited Wed Oct 9 4:06:35 PDT 2002 by Aerogram]

Heavenly said:

everybody?

Aerogram said:

My professor suggested that homosexuality might not something u r born with but something that is basically dependent on ur environment. Meaning that depending on where u live and what the mores of ur culture is, ur sexuality will change. Which makes a case against the idea that homosexuality is inborn.

4 example in ancient Greece where a woman was not considered fit 2 b a companion 4 a man, homosexuality was the main sexuality and was more prevalent than heterosexuality. A man would have a wife so that he could have children, but he would only consider himself truly satisfied when he had a side relationship with a man.

As time went on and women gained more rights, this notion changed that women were so inferior that they were not sufficient sexual partners 4 men and heterosexuality became more dominant in Greece.

Just wondering what u thought of that.

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[This message was edited Wed Oct 9 7:20:22 PDT 2002 by Nep2nes]

there is nothing wrong with a woman experimenting by having sex with another woman with her boyfriend peeping thru a hole in the cupboard dressed in a batman suit.. i tell my girlfriend this on a daily basis

Nep2nes said:

People are born gay, plain and simple.

what makes u gay ... is if your happy and u know it


clapp your hands

Tom said:

Now this is really tricky!! Are they really born Gay? Who really knows. Being gay from the get go I could possibly say yes this is true because I never was attracted to boys. I always found the beauty in women. Maybe it is a learned behavior for some Gay people, but not for all. While growing up I was never exposed to Gay people, but I'm gay. I can honestly say I grew up where you have the Leave it to beaver families so therefore I must of been born Gay.

Much Love,
LoLinex

I strongly believe that you're born gay.

But then some people believe there's a God, so I could be wrong.

Heavenly said:

Not everybody.

papercrayon said:

If you're lesbian and you know it
clap your hands.

If you're lesbian and you know it
clap your hands.

If you're lesbian and you know it,
then your combat boots will show it.

If you're lesbian and you know it
clap your hands.



If you're gay and you know it
clap your hands.

If you're gay and you know it
clap your hands.

If you're gay and you know it
then your fashion sense will surely show it!

If you're gay and you know it
clap your hands.



If you're straight and you know it
clap your hands.

If you're straight and you know it
clap your hands.

If you're straight and you know it
then your Jaqueline Smith K-Mart clothes will show it.

If you're straight and you know it
clap your hands

damn, you could go throughout your whole life having relationships and/or sex and doing everything with ONLY the same gender... but that doesn't mean you like it. Think of all the gay men married with children and just dealing with it for reasons as family, personal views, etc. And just because you do ANYTHING doesn't mean it's all you are. My longest relationship was with a woman... but I don't consider myself gay.

but I sort of did then... boy, I confuse myself!
[This message was edited Wed Oct 9 13:45:16 PDT 2002 by INSATIABLE]

MrBlues said:

:LOL:

Classic!!!

lolinex said:

correct! and that it occurs widely in the rest of the animal kingdom is rather strong evidence of it.

Nep2nes said:

Your teacher is misinformed. Even if there would be no credible research for a biological or genetic basis for homosexuality, it would be foolish to ignore this possibility in favor of the nurture model at this point.

What's important is that most people have a strong sexual preference by the time they reach puberty. Whether people are born gay hardly matters at the end. Can you make yourself like what you don't prefer? Maybe, but given the chance, the members of the gender you prefer will have a far stronger pull on you. In other words, you can change your sexual behavior, but getting rid of your PREFERENCE is another story altogether. This suggests that sexual preference is extremely strong and very difficult to change, if at all. So... born or not, it's just as if for the great majority of people.

As for the Greeks, as you note, the place of women played a major role. It is no different today in societies that do not allow the sexual objectification of women. There are parts of Afghanistan where men commonly take up a young male lover. Why? Because women have a very strict place in society. They are not "for fun" and there are few prostitutes if any. Because men congregate together so freely and intimately, while women are segregated and difficult to access, there's a situational homosexual culture that isn't too far removed from what happens in jail and that is due to the very restricted exposure to women. This restriction can be enforced by walls and tall fences or it can be cultural. People speak of the Greeks as if it was something unique, when there are examples of socially-acceptable homosexual behavior throughout history.
[This message was edited Wed Oct 9 16:46:15 PDT 2002 by Aerogram]

AaronForever said:

Exactly... My Mother's dog is gay!!! :LOL:

Much Love,
LoLinex