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Senior center bans giving doughnuts to elderly

From the Associated Press:

Seniors protest doughnut ban

By JIM FITZGERALD
Associated Press Writer


MAHOPAC, N.Y (AP) -- It was just another morning at the senior center: Women were sewing, men were playing pool - and seven demonstrators, average age 76, were picketing outside, demanding doughnuts.

They wore sandwich boards proclaiming, "Give Us Our Just Desserts" and "They're Carbs, Not Contraband."

At issue is a decision to refuse free doughnuts, pies and bread that were being donated to senior centers around Putnam County, north of New York City. Officials were concerned that the county was setting a bad nutritional precedent by providing mounds of doughnuts and other sweets to seniors.

The picketers said they were objecting not to a lack of sweets but that they weren't consulted about the ban.

"Lack of respect is what it's all about," said Joe Hajkowski, 75, a former labor union official who organized the demonstration. He said officials had implied that seniors were gorging themselves on jelly doughnuts and were too senile to make the choice for themselves.

"I'm 86, not 8," added C. Michael Sibilia.

Inside, some seniors said they missed the doughnuts but others said they were glad to see them go.

"It was disgusting the way people went after them," said 80-year-old Rita Jorgensen. "I think the senior center did them a favor by taking it away."

Stan Tuttle, coordinator of nutritional services for the county's Office for the Aging, said the program had gotten out of control. As many as 16 cases of breads, cakes and pastries were delivered, by various means, to the William Koehler Memorial Senior Center each day. Some were moldy and some had been stored overnight in the trunks of volunteers' cars, he said.

Caregivers there and elsewhere say the doughnut debate illustrates the difficulty of balancing nutrition and choice when providing meals to the elderly.

"Senior citizens can walk down to the store and buy doughnuts. Nobody's stopping them," said Michael Jacobson, executive director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest in Washington.

But he notes that older people have high rates of heart disease and high blood pressure and says senior citizen centers, nursing homes and assisted-living centers should not be worsening the health problems of seniors.

At the North East Bronx Senior Citizen Center, lunch is served five times a week (suggested contribution $1.50).

"We don't tell them what to do, we don't force them to eat what's good for them. But we certainly don't give them anything that's bad for them," said center director Silvia Ponce.

The church-basement senior center, one of 325 under the New York City Department for the Aging, has a mostly Italian-American clientele, a Naples-born cook and a menu that includes eggplant parmigiana, linguini with clams and manicotti.

"We try to give them what they like," said the cook, Stella Bruno.

The lunches have to supply one-third of the federal minimum daily requirements in such categories as calories, protein, vitamin C and vitamin A, said Chris Miller, spokesman for the department.

The Bronx center offers coffee, tea, bagels and rolls in the morning, but nothing in the doughnut family.

"The sweetest thing here is the raisin in the raisin bagel," said Nicholas Volpicella, 87.

Maureen Janowski, director of nutrition resources for Morrison Senior Dining in Atlanta, which provides meals at more than 370 senior living communities, says residents' food preferences depend somewhat on their age. Those born between 1901 and 1925 generally prefer meat and potatoes, and those born between 1925 and 1942 are "a little more trendy, a little more adventurous, a lot more nutrition-savvy," she said.

"They have choices, and we show them how to make good choices," she said.

At the Bronx center, Bruno said she tries to help the seniors avoid the bad buffet choices when they take a trip to Atlantic City. As a group was departing, she handed them bag lunches - with a roast beef sandwich, cranberry juice and carrot sticks.

"Protein, vitamin C, vitamin A," she said.

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Reply #1 posted 09/24/07 1:15pm

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I say, if you made it long enough to need to go to a senior center, enjoy the rest of your days, eat, drink and be merry! my grandmother lived to 99, and loved having a shot of tequila before dinner, true story.
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Reply #2 posted 09/24/07 1:19pm

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Oh dear. Give em their pastries. They shouldnt be truckin down the street just for some sweets.

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Reply #3 posted 09/24/07 2:25pm

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PaisleyPark5083 said:

I say, if you made it long enough to need to go to a senior center, enjoy the rest of your days, eat, drink and be merry! my grandmother lived to 99, and loved having a shot of tequila before dinner, true story.


Exactly...when someone makes it to be old enough to go to a senior center, I'm not going to question their judgements or decisions. Let them enjoy life as they see fit.
"Always blessings, never losses......"

Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!!

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Reply #4 posted 09/24/07 2:46pm

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Reply #5 posted 09/24/07 4:59pm

Christopher

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MsLegs said:


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Reply #6 posted 09/24/07 5:14pm

Anxiety

you know, i'm trying to clean up my bad habits and live a healthier life in the here and now, but when and if i get to be, like, 89 years old, i'm going to be drunk all the time and i'll demand an ashtray be welded on to the side of my iron lung.

AND LO, THERE SHALL BE DOUGHNUTS.

i need to work on my living will. hmmm
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Reply #7 posted 09/24/07 5:18pm

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I'm with y'all. . . when I'm chillin at the senior center, I've EARNED MY FUCKIN' DOUGHNUTS! mad

As long as people have choices, if they want to choose doughnuts, fine by me. Geezus.
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Reply #8 posted 09/24/07 5:44pm

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there is a highschool somewhere here where the kids are bellyaching because they can no longer buy pop and chips from the vending machines. it's their right. i say sure! they can have them all they desire, but is it the obligation of their school to provide them to them?

this isn't a residence. it's a place to socialize. they have the option of not going. from the story it sounds like the issue was out of control. 16 cases of donated baked goods a day?!? they had to draw a line in the sand.
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Reply #9 posted 09/24/07 5:51pm

heybaby

nah! let 'em have 'em, at this point nobody's worried about getting fat or losing teeth or whatever. if its donated so what? lol
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Reply #10 posted 09/24/07 5:54pm

MsLegs

Oh dear. Give em their pastries. They shouldnt be truckin down the street just for some sweets.



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Reply #11 posted 09/24/07 6:02pm

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Reply #12 posted 09/24/07 6:41pm

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emm said:

there is a highschool somewhere here where the kids are bellyaching because they can no longer buy pop and chips from the vending machines. it's their right. i say sure! they can have them all they desire, but is it the obligation of their school to provide them to them?

this isn't a residence. it's a place to socialize. they have the option of not going. from the story it sounds like the issue was out of control. 16 cases of donated baked goods a day?!? they had to draw a line in the sand.



Seniors are NOT children, though they are often treated that way. shrug
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Reply #13 posted 09/24/07 6:46pm

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

emm said:

there is a highschool somewhere here where the kids are bellyaching because they can no longer buy pop and chips from the vending machines. it's their right. i say sure! they can have them all they desire, but is it the obligation of their school to provide them to them?

this isn't a residence. it's a place to socialize. they have the option of not going. from the story it sounds like the issue was out of control. 16 cases of donated baked goods a day?!? they had to draw a line in the sand.



Seniors are NOT children, though they are often treated that way. shrug

i just don't think it's the responsibility of an establishment to provide it if it's been an issue. 16 cases. seniors aren't garbage disposals for day old pastries either.
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Reply #14 posted 09/24/07 6:56pm

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Reply #15 posted 09/24/07 6:57pm

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Seniors are NOT children, though they are often treated that way. shrug

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Reply #16 posted 09/24/07 7:02pm

wlcm2thdwn

What's it gonna do, give them wrinkles? Let the old folks eat what they want?
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Reply #17 posted 09/24/07 7:28pm

LadyLuvSexxy

Poppycock!! mad After all the shit old people have gone through in their lives, I say let 'em have their cake, donuts, and pies and be just as happy as dentured clams! My gramma likes her sweets and is a nice ripe pepper. (she bit the hell outta me before she moved... lol I didn't think she'd do it. I dared her!) She had her sweets, had her healthy stuff, and remained a fabu curvy femme @ 150 pounds. She never gobbled; she nibbled. She kept busy and fit and it didn't make her some crazed kid. I wish my father and I would have tried to keep her from the sweets. She'd nag us to the high heavens not to forget to get her cakes. lol
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Reply #18 posted 09/24/07 7:32pm

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MsLegs said:




Seniors are NOT children, though they are often treated that way. shrug





LMAO!!!
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Reply #19 posted 09/24/07 8:22pm

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emm said:

HereToRockYourWorld said:




Seniors are NOT children, though they are often treated that way. shrug

i just don't think it's the responsibility of an establishment to provide it if it's been an issue. 16 cases. seniors aren't garbage disposals for day old pastries either.



Sure, quality standards seem reasonable.
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Reply #20 posted 09/25/07 1:14am

MsLegs

What's it gonna do, give them wrinkles?

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Reply #21 posted 09/25/07 1:43am

Nikster

emm said:

HereToRockYourWorld said:




Seniors are NOT children, though they are often treated that way. shrug

i just don't think it's the responsibility of an establishment to provide it if it's been an issue. 16 cases. seniors aren't garbage disposals for day old pastries either.


The difference here tho is while the kids don't live at the school, the seniors DO live at the nursing home. While the option does exist for them to leave the facility and get their own, for some that may not be easy.
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Reply #22 posted 09/25/07 6:55am

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Nikster said:

emm said:


i just don't think it's the responsibility of an establishment to provide it if it's been an issue. 16 cases. seniors aren't garbage disposals for day old pastries either.


The difference here tho is while the kids don't live at the school, the seniors DO live at the nursing home. While the option does exist for them to leave the facility and get their own, for some that may not be easy.

this isn't a residence. it's a drop in recreation senior's center. somewhere you go to play cards, have coffee and visit. smile big difference.

At the North East Bronx Senior Citizen Center, lunch is served five times a week (suggested contribution $1.50)... The church-basement senior center...


at the small town center my uncle went to he kept trying to donate pickles and coffee creamer. and when they had had enough they refused his donations. this story is about refusing donations. before someone decided to dump their day old baking on this particular one, i doubt there was a problem with the menu choices.
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Reply #23 posted 09/25/07 8:01am

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"They have choices, and we show them how to make good choices," confused

Thats a bit patronizing towards people whose diet has kept them going that long.
My grandma has been successfully choosing her own food for over 87 years if she wants cake she an have it.
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Reply #24 posted 09/25/07 8:52am

MsLegs

Nikster said:

emm said:


i just don't think it's the responsibility of an establishment to provide it if it's been an issue. 16 cases. seniors aren't garbage disposals for day old pastries either.


The difference here tho is while the kids don't live at the school, the seniors DO live at the nursing home. While the option does exist for them to leave the facility and get their own, for some that may not be easy.

nod There are some distinctions about seniors elderly care facilities which should be noted and not taken lightly. For those seniors that live longer and encounter health complications, elderly care facilities are convenient. Whereas, senior care facilities are the equivalent of a senior rec center and address the needs of seniors who need to live in a care facility due to health restraints.
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Reply #25 posted 09/25/07 9:31am

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Anxiety said:

you know, i'm trying to clean up my bad habits and live a healthier life in the here and now, but when and if i get to be, like, 89 years old, i'm going to be drunk all the time and i'll demand an ashtray be welded on to the side of my iron lung.

AND LO, THERE SHALL BE DOUGHNUTS.

i need to work on my living will. hmmm



falloff

I agree!
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Reply #26 posted 09/25/07 10:29am

TheDoctor

From "Grumpier Old Men". God, I love this scene!

Grandpa: What the... what the hell is this?
John: That's lite beer.
Grandpa: Gee, I weigh ninety goddamn pounds, and you bring me this sloppin' foam?
John: Ariel's got me on a diet because the doc said my cholestorol's a little too high.
Grandpa: Well let me tell you something now, Johnny. Last Thursday, I turned 95 years old. And I never exercised a day in my life. Every morning, I wake up, and I smoke a cigarette. And then I eat five strips of bacon. And for lunch, I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack?
John: Bacon.
Grandpa: Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. Now according to all of them flat-belly experts, I should've took a dirt nap like thirty years ago. But each year comes and goes, and I'm still here. Ha! And they keep dyin'. You know? Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me. Just goes to show you, huh?
John: What?
Grandpa: Huh?
John: Goes to show you what?
Grandpa: Well it just goes... what the hell are you talkin' about?
John: Well you said you drink beer, you eat bacon and you smoke cigarettes, and you outlive most of the experts.
Grandpa: Yeah?
John: I thought maybe there was a moral.
Grandpa: No, there ain't no moral. I just like that story. That's all. Like that story.

lol
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Reply #27 posted 09/25/07 10:45am

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Free donuts for everyone over 65!!!
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Reply #28 posted 09/25/07 11:42am

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

I'm with y'all. . . when I'm chillin at the senior center, I've EARNED MY FUCKIN' DOUGHNUTS! mad

As long as people have choices, if they want to choose doughnuts, fine by me. Geezus.

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Reply #29 posted 09/25/07 12:44pm

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I didn't think this thread would be as successful as it was. Apparently, many people are concerned about old folks getting their carbs.
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