gemini13 said:

Wow, I thought I had actually responded to several people on this thread.

Lothan said:

anyway...it think in some settings its counterproductive and others its effective as with any political statement.


its really not as deep as ya'll are making it.

Rhondab said:

that about sums it up...

Rhondab said:

Pretty much.

Well I've thought about it, and I've decided that I don't care for it. It bothers me.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

and that's ok too Dani.


People didn't like Malcolm X saying "By Any Means Necessary".

Rhondab said:

I don't know anything about that...what is it? The by any means nesessary, thing?

TotalANXiousNESS said:

It's cool Dani. At least you've thought about it and didn't immediately dismiss it as something that is ignorant or dumb. For those people I challenge them to ask those who use it, why they do. It would be a step in the right direction, in my honest opinion.

If someones using it as a Political Statement, that is one thing. Like if their debating someone or even discussing how they view the country. I mean thats fine and I'm all for it.

But to use it in day to day conversation or have it out there readily accessable for anyone to read, who is not talking politics...(like in a sig) I don't care for it.

I think of my kids being called AmeriKKKan's.....and it gives a bad taste in my mouth.

Lothan said:

That's exactly what I was thinking, I just couldn't feel passionate enough to engage in that debate.
What I thought was funny is the 1st use of the spelling I could think of seeing was in a book fearing a Soviet takeover of America and calling it Amerika.

I would like to know why it is being used here, as in what does it mean to those advocating using it here, is it simply for shock value? What does it mean to them other than parroting something back they saw somewhere else, then REALLY going after it when it raises some discomfort.

I am all for discomfort BTW. Just stir it up on your own.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Since admitting your discomfort with it, the use of the term has increased 10 fold on the org. It is now more to get a rise out of you than to make any statement.

Mars23 said:

Really? I didn't notice.

That doesn't bother me.

Mars23 said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:



I don't know how I was led to believe you noticed it and did not care for it.
[Edited 9/12/07 9:55am]

Mars23 said:

For the people I know who use it, it is the way they feel: not parroting something back they saw somewhere else. They feel this is a racist nation. I used to feel exact the same. I now feel that there are more non-racists people but the ones who are racist go pretty much unchecked.

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TotalANXiousNESS said:

I'm a walking contradiction.

The sig I'm referring to I had noticed beofre I ever made the thread.

You said it is being used ten fold since I started the thread.

I thought there were other things I didn't notice, and I was like whatever.

Lothan said:

No argument from me there. Look no further than members of our own government. Although I think alot of people that have voted for them do so for other reasons, which I think gels with your statement.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

but I've used my sig to make political statements...



I think everyone is asking questions that could be asked of ANY political statement, slogan or whatever.

Rhondab said:

Yes.

Graycap23 said:

Generalize much? I agree that racism is still a problem in the United States but to imply that the only rational conclusion is to think the majority of Americans are racists is not only foolish, it's insulting. Are you American? So it would be rational for me to presume you're racist? And most of the Americans on this message board? Slippery slope -->


I don't find misspelling AmeriKKKa offensive, it just doesn't seem that original anymore. It's been "done" before. In the 60s I think it was probably more powerful due to the context of the BPM, Civil Rights, Nation of Islam, etc; but now it seems a bit dated to me. IMO, someone (an artist) should come up with an updated & more powerful or creative image that would essentially make the same point as AmeriKKK did in the 60s, while simultaneously reminding people that racism is still an issue.

it's AAAAALIVE!

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Well, the policies implemented by Americans in power often have had the same -- or worse -- effects on other people. Many people have unflattering ideas about the United States and have valid reasons for those opinions.

I would encourage you to check out or buy "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. You seem to want to understand why various people hold the opinions they do. Zinn's book is a great starting point.

ThreadBare said:

is it just me or does the org seem to be on the edge of some form of tension?

ehuffnsd said:

Nah, I don't think so. Not in this case. This discussion has been pretty civil thus far.

Lothan said:

ok. just wanted another opinion,

ehuffnsd said:

Nah, the photowhore issue was way more controversial than this. Org priorities.

DevotedPuppy said:

It's not just America - hate is everywhere. I've heard other people of color(asians, indians, arabs, hispanics) say the most ignorant sh!t about black folks. IMO, most of the world has a low opinion of us. Nothing new. I just accept the fact that a lot of people suck, and I deal with their racial BS the best way I can. They won't stop me from living my life.
[Edited 9/12/07 23:19pm]

uPtoWnNY said:

It goes all ways though.

ThreadBare said:

Thanks Thready.
Yanno what, I think I will.
Is it pretty much an easy read for someone, who basically has no lack of the history of the US?


EHUFFSAID: (?) No, its not tense in theis thread, I don't think. Just a discussion.