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Reply #150 posted 09/11/07 11:47pm

gemini13

Rhondab said:

gemini13 said:

I think it's stupid and used only by a certain questionable few.



this is not accurate and I'm wondering why whomever uses this term would be considered "questionable". You find the use of the spelling in certain literature as well.


Its so clear that some of ya'll need to expand your world a bit. Even if you don't agree with the use of the term, at least have some basic understanding to why it would be used.


Because it is meant to incite. It isn't necessary. You don't have to like my opinion, remember?
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Reply #151 posted 09/11/07 11:47pm

horatio

Graycap23 said:

Byron said:


All jokes aside, I don't think cats and dogs know they're "owned"...they only know instinctive sensory input, like safety, hunger, companionship (dogs especially). The idea that a cat is less happy because he's "owned" means he's able to conceptualize the two possibilities and make analytical and emotional judgements. He can't. He's a cat.

I love/loathe the way humans rationalize things.....


i love/loathe the way people like to pretend they have said/discovered something new, when they haven't
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Reply #152 posted 09/11/07 11:48pm

Byron

Graycap23 said:

Byron said:


All jokes aside, I don't think cats and dogs know they're "owned"...they only know instinctive sensory input, like safety, hunger, companionship (dogs especially). The idea that a cat is less happy because he's "owned" means he's able to conceptualize the two possibilities and make analytical and emotional judgements. He can't. He's a cat.

I love/loathe the way humans rationalize things.....

Chalk it up to rationalization when you can't actually argue the points given...not the best debating tactic, but go with it if you wanna... thumbs up!

I think mice would feel their existence was much better if cats didn't exist.
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Reply #153 posted 09/11/07 11:53pm

Byron

Graycap23 said:


Something tells me that animals that exist without the interference of humans live a great life.

Something tells me that antelope that exist without the interference of cheetahs live a great life.

Something tells me that flies that exist without the interference of spiders live a great life.

Something tells me that spiders that exist without the interference of a rolled-up Sunday paper live a great life.
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Reply #154 posted 09/11/07 11:53pm

Rhondab

gemini13 said:

Rhondab said:




this is not accurate and I'm wondering why whomever uses this term would be considered "questionable". You find the use of the spelling in certain literature as well.


Its so clear that some of ya'll need to expand your world a bit. Even if you don't agree with the use of the term, at least have some basic understanding to why it would be used.


Because it is meant to incite. It isn't necessary. You don't have to like my opinion, remember?


Actually, most of the time this term is used, its in current social injustice/civil rights literature or the arts. The term isn't meant to incite everytime its written but then again, there's nothing wrong with inciting someone to think and take a different look at their country, its policies and how it does treat some of its citizens. It can incite and be effective.

Lastly, I'm not trying to "like" your opinion. I'm just responding to it.
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Reply #155 posted 09/11/07 11:53pm

sassybritches

it's stupid. just another expression of a seemingly unending problem of racism and prejudice in this country.
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Reply #156 posted 09/11/07 11:54pm

Rhondab

gemini13 said:

Rhondab said:




this is not accurate and I'm wondering why whomever uses this term would be considered "questionable". You find the use of the spelling in certain literature as well.


Its so clear that some of ya'll need to expand your world a bit. Even if you don't agree with the use of the term, at least have some basic understanding to why it would be used.


Because it is meant to incite. It isn't necessary. You don't have to like my opinion, remember?


double post
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Reply #157 posted 09/11/07 11:58pm

gemini13

Rhondab said:

gemini13 said:



Because it is meant to incite. It isn't necessary. You don't have to like my opinion, remember?


Actually, most of the time this term is used, its in current social injustice/civil rights literature or the arts. The term isn't meant to incite everytime its written but then again, there's nothing wrong with inciting someone to think and take a different look at their country, its policies and how it does treat some of its citizens. It can incite and be effective.

Lastly, I'm not trying to "like" your opinion. I'm just responding to it.



I always consider the source. And in these cases here on the org, I feel it's used by people who are interested in being angry instead of peaceful. I don't care that much because I understand it's a form of expression. It just makes me cringe every time I see it coming from anger.
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Reply #158 posted 09/12/07 12:25am

wlcm2thdwn

Why should I be offended by someone elses ignorance?
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Reply #159 posted 09/12/07 2:56am

uPtoWnNY

gemini13 said:

I feel it's used by people who are interested in being angry instead of peaceful. I don't care that much because I understand it's a form of expression. It just makes me cringe every time I see it coming from anger.


There are those of us who don't go for that peace crap when it comes to racial injustice. Folks have every right to get mad and vocal about issues that negatively impact their lives. Peacful & pacified folks get walked on.
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Reply #160 posted 09/12/07 3:14am

fhqwhgads

Rhondab said:

evenstar3 said:



it comes off as so petty though! there must be another way to express frustration with the this country while still retaining credibilty, for lack of a better word.



Some don't have an issue with spelling and some do. I think the right to protest can some any form you like. shrug Doesn't bother me one way or another maybe because I "get" why someone would spell it that way.


But you wouldn't personally use it would you? The right to protest, that's cool, but then it comes down to choice. Ain't nobody being constructive when they use that misspelling, IMO. lol I don't mind someone writing it and can understand why they might. It's up to them. Things can get so bad that stirring things up might be the only option. That's a sad state of affairs but you might tell me that's the reality in the country. Still, there are those that would use it and those that wouldn't. The use of it betrays, to me, a way of thinking that might not be as constructive as it could be. Understandable, perhaps, but not preferable.
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Reply #161 posted 09/12/07 3:16am

fhqwhgads

JustErin said:

Something should only offend you if what someone is saying about you is actually the truth and you feel defensive about that fact.


There's something in that. nod
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Reply #162 posted 09/12/07 3:25am

fhqwhgads

Lothan said:

Graycap23 said:



How could any rational person NOT think that?
When you start to insult people, is when your argument loses weight.


And that's the point. Does using 'Amerikkka' cause that loss of credibility? If it does, it's counterproductive, but perhaps it depends on the intention. Perhaps a lack of credibility isn't important.
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Reply #163 posted 09/12/07 3:29am

Calligraphy

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Rhondab said:

nope....



and I don't think its stupid but just an expression of frustration with race in America. shrug
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I understand that. And thats what it is.

But. America is a nation. So the nation as a whole isn't racist.

I just know that my first reactions upon seeing it are like a slap in the face to those who would like to see race issues solved.


The overall power structure of America hasn't changed since its founding: Super-wealthy white men control everything, and they often pit poorer whites and non-whites of all classes against one another for sport and the perpetuation of the status quo.

Suffice it to say, the more significant "slaps" come from them, be they in raided pensions and exported jobs or in corrupt policies that lead to the slaughters of thousands.

I'm all for being mobilized. But, please, march in the right direction.
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Reply #164 posted 09/12/07 4:46am

Lammastide

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It's corny, unsophisticated and not something I'd be inclined to do, but it's a political commentary not unlike so many others -- sometimes it's arguably appropos; sometimes wholly off-base. In any case, to the extent it's undesirable, it's a symptom, not a cause. Address systemic problems, and symptoms slowly dissolve. Address merely a symptom, and things seem more comfy... but the key problem(s) fester(s) undetected and always return(s) with often more dire symptoms.
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Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #165 posted 09/12/07 5:20am

greenpixies

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It's dumb!
America's political system used to be about the "pursuit of happiness." Now more and more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered.
"Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other."-
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Reply #166 posted 09/12/07 5:22am

ZombieKitten

NDRU said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:




Oh yeah. Thats stuffs cool. I'm not PROUDDD though. America is a pretty big term. What is AMERICAN????

I'm proud to be from the COUNTY I'm from. But American???


that's a good point. the term "American" was kind of hijacked by the USA, but someone from Argentina is also American.


wtf! I married an american and I didn't even know it! omfg
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Reply #167 posted 09/12/07 5:33am

AnckSuNamun

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I've never been offended by the spelling with 3 K's either.
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Reply #168 posted 09/12/07 10:37am

Rhondab

fhqwhgads said:

Rhondab said:




Some don't have an issue with spelling and some do. I think the right to protest can some any form you like. shrug Doesn't bother me one way or another maybe because I "get" why someone would spell it that way.


But you wouldn't personally use it would you? The right to protest, that's cool, but then it comes down to choice. Ain't nobody being constructive when they use that misspelling, IMO. lol I don't mind someone writing it and can understand why they might. It's up to them. Things can get so bad that stirring things up might be the only option. That's a sad state of affairs but you might tell me that's the reality in the country. Still, there are those that would use it and those that wouldn't. The use of it betrays, to me, a way of thinking that might not be as constructive as it could be. Understandable, perhaps, but not preferable.


I personally wouldn't use it but so what?

I think that it serves its purpose as seen on this thread alone. lol

all I've said that its a political statement. Its no more than that. shrug
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Reply #169 posted 09/12/07 12:18pm

TotalANXiousNE
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Rhondab said:

horatio said:



I really dont give a fuck how anyone spells it


but dont pretend it isnt ment to do exactly this


So many times ppl talk about there being two different Americas. Does that offend you? Did Kanye saying Bush doesn't like black people offend you? We have the RIGHT in this country to protest. I think its fine to protest racism in this manner.


falloff

I loved it.

That is my fav TV moment of all time.
I've reached in darkness and come out with treasure
I layed down with love and I woke up with lies
Whats it all worth only the heart can measure
It's not whats in the mirror but what's left inside
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Reply #170 posted 09/12/07 1:47pm

TotalANXiousNE
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JustErin said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:



This is all true.

Kinda like I saw in P & R today someone was on an anti abortion rant.

And someone else said.

Well how many children do you plan to adopt?

That really made me think. Its not good enough to just be against something, you have to DO something about it.

So basically Erin, your from Canada. You have knowledge of what goes on here, but when you think of America do you think of the MAJORITY of the country being racist?


Yes. And I feel that there is racial tension between all the races. It's not just a black white issue.

And it's really not so different here. Intolerance seems to be more of a people problem than an American problem. It just seems so um....I dunno...intense there (to people like myself, who are not living in your country).
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Interesting.

Maybe I don't get the vibe, because I live in an area where the biggest cultural difference is Lager or Miller Lite. And I'm kinda joking, but not really. People are all practically related some how.

But I mean. When I go to DC or Philly or anywhere for that matter, I don't notice any tension btw the races.

Am I blind to it?? Or I dunno. I don't see it.

I KNOW it exists. I do. But I've never witnessed it.
I've reached in darkness and come out with treasure
I layed down with love and I woke up with lies
Whats it all worth only the heart can measure
It's not whats in the mirror but what's left inside
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Reply #171 posted 09/12/07 2:10pm

Lothan

gemini13 said:

Rhondab said:



Actually, most of the time this term is used, its in current social injustice/civil rights literature or the arts. The term isn't meant to incite everytime its written but then again, there's nothing wrong with inciting someone to think and take a different look at their country, its policies and how it does treat some of its citizens. It can incite and be effective.

Lastly, I'm not trying to "like" your opinion. I'm just responding to it.



I always consider the source. And in these cases here on the org, I feel it's used by people who are interested in being angry instead of peaceful. I don't care that much because I understand it's a form of expression. It just makes me cringe every time I see it coming from anger.
Yeah, cuz racism is nothing to be angry about. confused
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Reply #172 posted 09/12/07 2:17pm

Lothan

fhqwhgads said:

Lothan said:

When you start to insult people, is when your argument loses weight.


And that's the point. Does using 'Amerikkka' cause that loss of credibility? If it does, it's counterproductive, but perhaps it depends on the intention. Perhaps a lack of credibility isn't important.
I would never use it but I understand why people do. In a country where people are complacent when an issue doesn't affect them personally, where your name being "Keisha" on a resume may mean you may not get hired, where walking down the street as a black man may cause the police to harass you, I am hard pressed not to understand the frustration behind using such a term.
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Reply #173 posted 09/12/07 2:36pm

gemini13

Lothan said:

gemini13 said:




I always consider the source. And in these cases here on the org, I feel it's used by people who are interested in being angry instead of peaceful. I don't care that much because I understand it's a form of expression. It just makes me cringe every time I see it coming from anger.
Yeah, cuz racism is nothing to be angry about. confused



It certainly won't get you where you're looking to go if you're counterproductive. Any why do you automatically respond to my post and not others' who've said the same thing?
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Reply #174 posted 09/12/07 2:37pm

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Alrite guys.

Just wanted to say that I noticed everyone is now going around say 'counterproductive'.

Let us all take a moment to note, who actaully was the first on the thread to use it. whistle

That is all.
I've reached in darkness and come out with treasure
I layed down with love and I woke up with lies
Whats it all worth only the heart can measure
It's not whats in the mirror but what's left inside
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Reply #175 posted 09/12/07 2:40pm

horatio

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Alrite guys.

Just wanted to say that I noticed everyone is now going around say 'counterproductive'.

Let us all take a moment to note, who actaully was the first on the thread to use it. whistle

That is all.




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Reply #176 posted 09/12/07 2:40pm

gemini13

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Alrite guys.

Just wanted to say that I noticed everyone is now going around say 'counterproductive'.

Let us all take a moment to note, who actaully was the first on the thread to use it. whistle

That is all.



Y'know, I brought this topic up a while ago, and was vilified for it. I was labeled a KKK member because I didn't like the spelling. lol


But YOU start a topic, and it's cool, Dani's just trying to understand, right?
disbelief

I just knew I wasn't the only one who disliked it.
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Reply #177 posted 09/12/07 2:42pm

horatio

I think you have started your first successful P&R thread in the GD forum




congratulation! woot!
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Reply #178 posted 09/12/07 2:44pm

TotalANXiousNE
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horatio said:

I think you have started your first successful P&R thread in the GD forum




congratulation! woot!



Its actually not the first. Ask Richard, he'll tell you. lol

What I meant is that I wasn't sure when I said. 'counter productive' was that I wasn't even sure if that was a real term. And then everyone on the thread started using it.

I just felt neat, is all.

Anyways. The rest of what yous are saying I don't know what your talking about?

That I'm baiting?

I'm not.
I've reached in darkness and come out with treasure
I layed down with love and I woke up with lies
Whats it all worth only the heart can measure
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Reply #179 posted 09/12/07 2:46pm

horatio

TotalANXiousNESS said:

horatio said:

I think you have started your first successful P&R thread in the GD forum




congratulation! woot!



Its actually not the first. Ask Richard, he'll tell you. lol

What I meant is that I wasn't sure when I said. 'counter productive' was that I wasn't even sure if that was a real term. And then everyone on the thread started using it.

I just felt neat, is all.

Anyways. The rest of what yous are saying I don't know what your talking about?

That I'm baiting?

I'm not.


no NO! not at all.
for real, that never crossed my mind
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