NDRU said:

Graycap23 said:

Right, we are still very instinctive. But we have greater freedom of choice than other animals. If we acknowledged our instincts more, maybe we'd make better decisions.

NDRU said:

I don't know about that. Humans are the only creatures on Earth that have 2 pay 4 stuff or starve. Is that a freedom?

NDRU said:

George Costanza did pretty good when he started doing the opposite of what his instincts told him to do.

NDRU said:

I think it may be more beneficial for us to fully acknowledge and appreciate the lengths we've "evolved" socially, intellectually and spiritually, so that we can be motivated to continue doing so. It's kind of like being on a diet...the motivation comes from seeing the results, stepping on the scale and seeing the weight that's been lost. You're less likely to keep going if you tell yourself "I'm just as overweight now as I was back then...nothing's really changed."...

Graycap23 said:

To me, it's proof of God. We are so much different than any other creature, and I believe there's a reason for that. We didn't just evolve differently - we were made differently.

Yikes - if I'm not careful, I'm going to get us carried away to P&R, so let me just add this: Imago's hair is TIGHT!
[Edited 9/11/07 15:47pm]

Byron said:

I agree.

JustErin said:

OK.

RodeoSchro said:

JustErin said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

no.

Byron said:

You ain't lyin'.

However, there's no reason to be satisfied at our current state. As you know, we've got lots to do yet.

INSATIABLE said:

We ALL do.

Graycap23 said:

I see your point (like you can't be born anywhere on this earth that's not subject to a government) but on the other side we have the freedom to eat whatever we want, compared to a cow or polar bear.

And my cat doesn't get to choose when she goes outside, much less what she wants to do with her life.

NDRU said:

Something tells me that animals that exist without the interference of humans live a great life.

horatio said:

exactly what...cause ppl to start talking about issues of race.

You have many ppl here that aren't offended at all by the spelling and still understand why someone would spell it like that.

You have to just ask yourself why YOU are so offended and then deal with it from that level.

So many times ppl talk about there being two different Americas. Does that offend you? Did Kanye saying Bush doesn't like black people offend you? We have the RIGHT in this country to protest. I think its fine to protest racism in this manner.

Graycap23 said:

I wonder sometimes. It's possible.

I know I used to think that, but now I see film of a tiger and I swear it looks like it's thinking "If I could just have one second without these damn flies on my face!!"

Rhondab said:

Interesting.....the KKK is a matter of terrorism. Isn't that the same reasom the U.S. is occupying Iraq?

Graycap23 said:

I dunno...something tells me that a cat would rather be coolin' out on the couch after eating some Tender Vittles than running from hungry wolves every other damn second lol...

Byron said:

Ask the cat.....cats and dogs are Slaves of the animal world.

Graycap23 said:

I did...he said "fuck that, give me some more tuna"...

Byron said:

All jokes aside, no living creature should be owned by another. None.

Graycap23 said:

Horses & oxen maybe, but dogs & cats? nah

Graycap23 said:

All jokes aside, I don't think cats and dogs know they're "owned"...they only know instinctive sensory input, like safety, hunger, companionship (dogs especially). The idea that a cat is less happy because he's "owned" means he's able to conceptualize the two possibilities and make analytical and emotional judgements. He can't. He's a cat.

I think it's stupid and used only by a certain questionable few.

Byron said:

I love/loathe the way humans rationalize things.....

gemini13 said:

this is not accurate and I'm wondering why whomever uses this term would be considered "questionable". You find the use of the spelling in certain literature as well.


Its so clear that some of ya'll need to expand your world a bit. Even if you don't agree with the use of the term, at least have some basic understanding to why it would be used.

Graycap23 said:

I see what you're saying and I can understand why you are saying it, but you (as most of us do) exploit the ownership of animals in just about everything you do...from the clothes you wear to the food you eat, etc, etc...