EverSoulicious said:

I still have a Genesis.

lazycrockett said:

Windowblinds are about to release a new version for Vista which brings full compatibility and vista-only features.

Also, if you have the money, buy Visa ultimate. Vista Basic?

Oh, and you'll see a massive improvement in Vista with SP1, coming out either at the end of this year, or the turn of the next. It's actually a full kernel update, so a lot will be changed.

Now, for the record, I'm defending Vista but I'm not some blind fanboy. Having swapped to Vista, I actually can't bring myself to go back to XP. XP is horrible by comparison. Vista is faster, crashes less, and recognises my 4GB of RAM (XP doesn't ). I'm actually going Mac this Christmas though, just for change. I'll be on a Vista desktop with a Mac laptop. I'm not fussy about OSes, and yes, I'm a geek.

What really annoys me though are the blind "VISTA SUXXXX!111!!1" messages. Whilst I will acknowledge that a lot of people have had trouble with Vista, I have never had a single problem. I think many people underestimated the importance of the requirements Vista asks for (yes, they are greater than XP, but TECHNOLOGY HAS MOVED ON, and the current requirements for Vista are almost IDENTICAL to the requirements for Macs...so resource-hungry MY ARSE). By making sure I met the recommended requirements when purchasing my machine, I've never had compatibility issues. It seems a lot of people went "hey, it's Windows" and installed it on under-powered or as-yet incompatible machines then whined about problems. Never underestimate what a big change installing an entirely new operating system is!

As for all this bullshit about hardware/software incompatibilities, it is NOT Microsoft's job to make other people's software compatible with theirs. Yes, they feel they should provide support (and do), but the companies that make the software are supposed to change..not MS! It was like this back in Win95, 98 and 2000 days. MS would release the OS and the other companies would release new, compatible versions of their software to make it work, thus pushing the power of software applications forward using Microsoft's new, more-powerful OSes as a launchpad. To now turn around and complain "it's Vista's fault our software doesn't work" is PURE LAZINESS on the part of the software companies, as it is their job to make their software work, just as it was before.

The other thing (and it's totally understandable that this has occured, given the 5-year gap between XP and Vista, as opposed to the previous 3-year release cycles of MS OSes), is when people complain that they have to learn how to use certain aspects of the OS again. OF COURSE YOU DO. WHERE WOULD TECHNOLOGY GO IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO USE NEW TECH?! Everyone's happy to learn how to use iPod's new interface, but when Microsoft change file-sharing and render it far more logical people piss and moan and abandon the OS. CHANGE WITH IT! You did for 3.1 to 95, and again from 95 to 2000 - WHY NOT WITH XP to Vista?! WHAT HAS CHANGED?

It is, essentially, just cool to bash Microsoft and blame your problems upon them as if it is their duty to keep things the same. It is not, and it is double standards to praise Apple for changing and then curse Microsoft for changing too. We should adopt and learn new technology to drive development and innovation, not expect new technology not to change so that we can have a comfort zone.

end rant.

Oh, and by the way, Vista is by no-means perfect - in fact, MS should have done a lot more for 5-years' worth of work and $23 billion, BUT I just find that many (not all) complaints are unfounded and pathetic. Complain to me about inefficiencies, security problems and standards support and I'll listen.

As you know i am Microsoft through and through but i get fucked off that we NEED SP1 to sort the fucking issues out.
It should not be released until that shit is sorted

mdiver said:

They would have held it longer had the shareholders not been ready to crucify them.

Spookymuffin said:

I think that every time a service pack is required it should be cut to disc and Bill GAtes should have it shoved up his ass live on TV

mdiver said:

dude, EVERYTHING gets service packs..just under different names:

iPods/MP3 Players/PMPs/GPS devices get firmware upgrades.

OS X gets "software updates" - which includes kernel upgrades and new feature additions (i.e. service packs).

Windows gets service packs.

Linux gets software upgrades (which is almost always a kernel update, it being linux and all).

Lothan said:

My Thinkpad R60 rocks my world ...
I'm working in IT and none of my customers have so far upgraded to Vista I think MS has something to worry about there I used it for a week and then downgraded to XP again.

If you haven't tried it, you can try to run IE under Vista in 'unprotected' mode by rightclicking it and choosing 'Run as administrator'. Use this only for sites you know, cuz protected mode provides a few additional layers of security for you to enjoy (or cuss on, whichever you choose).

You can use Firefox, but it will also mess up the OWA (Outlook Web Access) layout ... I use both IE & Firefox, depending on what I'm using it for.

your company should either consider to implement a remote access solution (IPSEC VPN or SSLVPN) or better still ... implement RPC over HTTP which would allow your Outlook client to download mails wherever u are in a secure fashion.
That can also be used to sync PDA's so ppl don't have to carry their laptop everywhere ...

HTH

mdiver said:

I actually love vista

give this a listen ... they're brilliant and sooooo right

http://www.youtube.com/wa...85p7JZXNy8

One4All4Ever said:

Use firefox with the IEtab extension, and set IEtab to always render OWA using IE's engine within firefox.

Also, turn of UAC in User account settings in the control panel in Vista for hassel-free computing.

andykeen said:

Spookymuffin said:

If I could only do that in an office environment ... I would.
3rd party extensions
but home computing ... no worries, just do it.


I don't get why UAC is bugging people ... it's been around in *nix for so long and doesn't bother anyone there

One4All4Ever said:

I blame poor implementation. The sound and the dimming of the screen is irritating, it's also slower than *nix which just brings up a password prompt like any other window with *no* alert, dim screen, etc - It's far smoother.

Shame about 3rd party plugins.

Spookymuffin said:

that's it, too geeky, i can't like you anymore.

evenstar3 said:

he is a fuckin isnt he?

mdiver said:

AND YOU ALL LAUGHED AT BILL GATES. WELL WHO'S LAUGHING NOW, BASTARDS?!


(not me, bill gates is with his billion dollar swag pad and global domination..but give me 20 years...)

Spookymuffin said:

[Edited 9/7/07 7:02am]

Spookymuffin said:

There are also a lot of who sit at home in their parents house at 43 years old with egg stains on their shirts, whacking off to the lastest service pack for linux and the last breast they felt was their moms.

I wonder which way spooky will go...billionaire or stay at home wanker?

mdiver said:

Place bets now, because it really is one way or the other.

Let's say if I'm still posting here in 10 years, something went wrong.

Spookymuffin said:

You've taken the words right out of my mouth with a LOT of that.

TheDoctor said:

I would never expect a post like this here ... I knew Erin was a but you my man ... I'm baffled

Spookymuffin said:

I'm sure Vista will be just fine eventually. M$ seems to have issues almost everytime it releases an OS (anyone remember when Windows 98 first came out?, how about ME? XP had some compatibility issues when it first came out too as well, mainly with games if I recall correctly). I just want to wait till most of the issues are dealt with before I plunk down my hard-earned cash. XP is fine for me, for now

One4All4Ever said:

It's my dark secret.

Oh and thanks, doctor dude.

Nikster said:

fair enough. And you are correct - XP had issues pre-SP1 (serious ones with compatibility - I couldn't run anything). In fact, XP didn't actually get "good" until SP2, but people are all-too-willing to forget that when they look at Vista.

It's easy to forget, I guess.

Me! I hate it!

I just got a new MacBook.