okay...my confession time:


any fellini film (expecially 8 1/2 and with the exception of Setericon [sic?])...i just dont get the appeal of his films...


Magnolia (this move was just a bore..with the exception of Julianne Moore's scenes...frogs?, the singing?, Tom Cruise earned an Oscar Nod for this?...lord)

Rushmore (guess you gotta be a middle class white guy to enjoy this thang...cause i sure the heck didnt...)


any and all Kevin Smith films already made or planned till the day he dies...this guys directing is stiff, the acting tends to be lazy...and it all comes off as sophmoric...im glad we have never seen the documentary of the celebration..it would have sucked too...

Moonbeam said:

Don't you mess with Star Wars or Star Trek.

SkletonKee said:

Booo! Hisss! Amarcord is one of my all time favorites!



Now that I agree with! Dogma sucked ass! And Jay and Silent Bob are like a Saturday Night Live skit that got out of hand. (If that's not redundant to say.)






And.....scene!
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thescandalouslife said:

I love "Ferris Bueller's Day Off." I'm glad someone on this thread likes it, too.

SkletonKee said:

Call me nutty, but I loved:

LaStrada
Juliet of the Spirits
8 1/2
Nights of Cabiria
Amarcord

I did NOT like Satyricon

IceNine said:

Same here! I forgot to say Satyricon is one I don't like.

How could I forget LaStrada! Beautiful movie!

Never seen Nights of Cabiria.

I always thought American Beauty was over-rated. I liked the movie, but it wasn't that great...

EVERY movie by John Woo.

IceNine said:

no...your not the nutty one...i guess my appreciation of fellini gene got lost during my dna creation...so call me











= prince, cause he has forgotten how to edit
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BattierBeMyDaddy said:

You know... erm...

I've actually never watched Star Wars or Star Trek... not for a reasonable length of time anyway (nothing over 2 minutes)

*run and hide* ... Blasphemy I know

Just never tweaked my interest... hmmm, does that mean there's something wrong with me?? *concerned look*

Diva said:

Yes, but I will forgive you, since you share my appreciation of Gale Herald and Jude Law.

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

hehe... you're just too kind!

Blair Witch Project (what was that!?)

Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls is really not all that.

rdhull said:

Don't let Roger Ebert hear you say that!

:LOL:

IceNine said:

I know, since he did the screenplay etc--but I think he'd even admit it was shit hehe. Funny how someone can win the Pulitzer and have that dubious distinction under their belt.

two more i just thought of:


Hedwig and the Angry Inch


and Moulin Rouge

After seeing Dancer In The Dark I had high hopes for the musical...and while I will give Hedwig some koodos for attempting to tell a sweet story and for John Mitchell's performance...Moulin was just a mess of a film...

both directors should have taken everything they learned from watching MTV and threw it away...and why oh why did Nicole Kidman get an Oscar Nod for Moulin when she was ten times better in The Other...her overacting ruined Moulin for me..

heres hoping 8 Woman and Chicago will restore the greatness that is due to the musical...

IceNine said:

You're wrong, it is.

Watch the DVD with Roger Ebert's commentary if you don't believe me. He'll make a believer out of you.

rdhull said:

It was shit on purpose, though, don't you get it?

"The Usual Suspects" - and any other of a number of similar movies where the actual outcome is arbitrarily decided by the screenwriter, then passed on to viewers as a "surprise ending."

TheMax said:

erm... isn't that the method of all fiction?

AaronForever said:

erm... no.

IceNine said:

Yes, it seems overrated when it makes it to the very top of many "best ever" lists.

I purchased the DVD and used the included separate audio commentaries by both Bogdanovich and Ebert. They break it down from a technical viewpoint, explaining a lot of the technical advances and innovations that make it an important film.

Using these "aids," it's easier to understand it's "best ever" rating, but it still does not make my personal top ten list.

TheMax said:

how is it not? the author decides the ending, and works the plot that way.

"Shakespeare In Love"...

"Minority Report"...

"Trixie Gives Head"...

AaronForever said:

Yeah it was supposed to be camp but still..he knows he was trying to pull of some Jacqueline Susan(sp?) important drama excess trash..oh just in case, i was joking when I said this is overrated (not all that)..I know its supposed to be funky heh
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endorphin74 said:

THANK YOU for saying this!

AaronForever said:

There are many examples of fictional screenplays that don't violate the viewers intelligence the way that "The Usual Suspects," "The Game," "No Way Out," and numerous other films do. I should have emphasized the "arbitrarily" and "surprise ending" parts of my original comments. Did anyone really feel that it was plausible that Kevin Costner was revealed to be the Soviet spy at the movie's end. If you did, then this post makes no sense to you, I'm sure. For me, it was a cheap shot to create a "surprise" ending.

In contrast to these films, there are other screenplays where the development of characters, their possible role in an unsolved event, and the unexpected climactic ending all fit into a seamless story. Some excellent examples like "The Silence of the Lambs" and "The Fugitive" come to mind. In the best movies, the screenwriter and the director are accountable for the movies twists and turns. No cheap plot twists needed.

In a lighter movie that illustrates this point, I groaned during the second Austin Powers movie when Vanessa was revealed to be a "fem-bot." Completely implausible and ridiculous, of course, but it fit with the tongue-in-cheek theme of the movie. There was another awkward logic-flaw in that movie involving time travel where he confronts himself. In that scene, he actually addresses the movie audience, saying "ignore this part because it doesn't make logical sense." It's fine with an Austin Powers movie, but it sucks when its supposed to be a serious drama that dismisses the reasoning capability of the audience.

Does that help?

By the way, I agree with your earlier post: "Almost Famous" is VERY overrated.

I'm sure this will be a controversial opinion, but I think that "The Lord Of The Rings" is HUGELY overrated.

The first question that is usually asked by it's fans:
Q: Did you read the book?
A: No, was it necessary to judge the movie?

For me, the movie was an agonizing marathon of a motley band of characters walking in single-file against computer generated scenic backdrops. This, coupled with the same basic battle sequences every 10 minutes left me bored STIFF.

In my opinion, a great movie stands alone. It's greatness doesn't require that the viewer read the book, nor attach itself to the popularity of the book. Dune was another example of good book, lousy movie. Examples of great movies with great books that can be enjoyed independently: The Godfather, Silence of the Lambs, English Patient, and Jaws.