This is what Stephen Marbury said about Dogfighting..



I think Vick was wrong for what he did...but I think that there is a double standard when it comes to this 'Animal Rights' type of thing. What makes a Dog more of an Animal than a Deer & all these other animals I see these Hunters I see on TV killing for Sport. It seems kinda twisted 2 me...

What do U think??

Are dogs considered more human than other Animals...??

For for example in the UK A deer, pheasant etc will be stalked for many hours then shot, normally they only shoot one time, 99% of the time it is a instant death most times the carcass meat is then eaten this is what normally happens in the UK.

With Dog fighting these animals are made 2 run on tred mills for hours on end each day, made 2 kill if they don’t they will be beaten forced into doing it. On the day of the fight they are made 2 fight for hours these animals skin is torn apart ears ripped off etc yet still made 2 stay fighting they will throw things at the animal beat them up while in the ring just 2 keep them fighting these animals are frightened and will do what they are told. When fight is over the animal that lost have no hope of survival they will not be put down humanly they normally beaten 2 death or tossed out to fend for itself. If the animal that wins survives the animal will receive no vet care for wounds the owners normally will do a botch job then the poor animal is forced back into training and fighting within weeks of it’s last fight.

In my opinion they are two different things hunting is not a sport with hunting people normally eat their catch you don’t do that with sport.

Seems to me that he is using the whole deer hunting thing to try and justify what he was involved in which is just a friggin cover for their own stupidity. There is no excuse, Im not a fan of deer hunting either but it sounds to me like someone is clutching at straws to try and sound like less of an asshole
[Edited 8/28/07 6:04am]

Well, this won't be popular but Marbury is right. We have more love for domesticated animals than animals such as deer, cows, etc. What Vick did was evil but no less evil to me than killing animals for sport.

chillichocaholic said:

If these barbaric acts where done 2 humans every one would be outraged.
It’s the poor animals that pay the price even if rescued the animals are normally put down the animal rescues have no choice sad 2 say. Whoever does this crime should be sent down for a very long time.

Bishop31 said:

Not to me. Yes, dogfighting is wrong, but I don't put animal cruelty on the same level as human cruelty. I'm more outraged reading about 230+ lb. athletes smacking up their wives/girlfriends. Those guys are allowed to play, but I don't see folks protesting about that.

After that knucklehead Vick serves his time & suspension, he deserves a second chance, but that's up to the commissioner. If Goodell says no, Vick has to live with it. Same goes for the fans if Goodell lets Vick play again.

In all my years of following pro sports, I've never seen anyone make a dumber decision than this cat. Dude had loot flowing in from the NFL and endorsements, and he risks it over this sh!t??? Nothing like keeping it real---DUMB!

As for 'Starbury', who the f--k cares what he has to say? He boasted he was the best point guard in the NBA. Sh!t, he's not the best point guard in the NY metro area(Mr. Jason Kidd is). Take anything he says with a grain of salt.
[Edited 8/28/07 6:25am]

Bishop31 said:

I certainly agree that what he did was very wrong, but I don't agree that this has anything to do with hunting. People have been hunting to survive for millions of years. Although I'm not a hunter and don't condone it either, I do believe that dog fighting and hunting aren't even close. From what I know, dogs have never been hunted and they should not be used in fighting for others to profit from. It's certainly isn't a "sport" either. What Vick did is wrong and he's just going to have to face the consequences. Some people are looking for any excuse for him, but the bottom line is that what he was doing was sick, twisted and done for profiteering. There are those that will want to turn this into a racial thing, but that's to be expected too.

katt said:

So if they were 2 eat the dogs that would be more acceptable? Cows, Pigs, Chickens, & countless other animals are killed daily 4 our consumption. Why is it that people are treating Vick like he is this monster? Don't get me wrong..I agree with U. He's VERY wrong. But an animal is an animal...dog or cow...

Bishop31 said:

I agree.

Bishop31 said:

You seriously fail to see the difference between animals being killed for consumption and the torture of animals for shits and giggles?

You say he is wrong, VERY wrong...then why are you even trying to debate this?

JustErin said:

Yeah but erin, animals are also killed for sport everyday.

JustErin said:

Because it seems that we are treating Dogs like they are better than other animals. If Vick was killing these Dogs to eat them...what would be the response from the public?

I understand the argument that he tortured them. But whether U torture a Dog or chop of a Chickens head & send it 2 your local grocery store for consumption..the end result is still the same. Dead animal.

I just feel some hypocricy going on here.

Lothan said:

Yes, and some of us really disagree with that.

Children are abused every day, does that make it any less despicable?

JustErin said:

Yeah, we disagree with that but there is a double standard attached for dogs for some reason.

Lothan said:

Yes, I just don't understand it. If I were to walk up to somebody while they are walking there dog & shoot there dog in the head & kill him I would go 2 jail 4 animal cruelty. But yet these fools on ESPN can hunt these Deer & shoot them with there big ass rifles & its on ESPN as a "Sport". WTF?!

Because hunting is legal.

uPtoWnNY said:

Do u agree with this?

Well from the start it was kown it was something more to this I think this will open more doors than will close sometimes people forget we are all human this just maybe his wake-up call in the end he should be ok for the simple fact he has been tried by Joe Public already somewhere this has happen before we just did not know the person because they was not famous oneday I was in the store and all I seen was a football with the Falcon's symbol on the side I had no idea when I made it to counter it was his and no sale came up on the screne no sale do you hear me I know he has been dropped by his sponser but no sale in a generale store what is that black baling no getting around it see the public has taken this in a whole new way instead of being tried by his peers many years ago this would be seen as profiling it is not the law doing it this is corparate that has taken upon them self to make the man before his due time in court come to full term can you imagine something with a person name on it ringing up as no sale allowed in all that people do in life what make a person stick out that the world fell like it is doing a great service to desrtoy you I don't know what happen only him and God know the man could have made that deal just to make it easy for him then he really could have done it when you have a group saying onething some don't have the hidden strength to stand up against more than one he could have seen a no win being that this happen out the blue maybe someone told him it is your word against another no one but him and God really know the truth I am not a football fan but I do like the sport but I do love people and what ever happen only God know I pray for him though I do love dogs I had a beautiful dog as a kid that I loved with all my heart this is just a something I think if done right is going to change some things I don't see as just a dog fighting case and what happen to the dogs the way his freedom has been taken over by Joe Public is going to open the door of how no sale went into effect I see maybe I see too much but I am from the south so I see that no sale a little diffrent as a tool of trying to open back that old slave mentality I love all colors don't get me wrong I went to a mix school my first boyfriend was white yes I am black anyway I know it took a white man to come down south and say do my race better so racail profiling is not what I am getting at it is the mind set of putting in a class of you can put down as will I don't want to see days like that come back that just because you come together and fix your eyes or ways on a person then you can do as will to that life you bought it sold on a auction block again this in time has happen before we just did not know the person because of lack of fame we had a man in atlanta that took folk money to cremate their love ones come to find out the man had bodies every where did nothing but gave the people cement for their love one remains now that is dog.

Bishop31 said:

I guess I don't understand your stance on this or at least the way you are addressing your stance.

Here's what you are saying. You feel the guy is in the wrong, you feel that people who hunt should also be in the wrong but that it's widely viewed as an acceptable practice and therefore it's hypocritical of people to think one is right and one is not right.

So what I don't get is if you feel this way, why are you saying that this guy is being made out to be worse than he really is and not just saying that anyone that kills for sport is wrong, VERY wrong?

And btw, torture of an animal whether it be dog, cat or chicken is a chargeable offense. I'm not talking about cutting off a chicken’s head so that it can be prepared to be consumed. I am talking about torturing an animal, and letting it suffer and killing that animal for no other reason but to get off on it in some way.

uPtoWnNY said:

Yes it is, and dog fighting is not legal.

And everyone is overlooking something else. Something that is probably more important to the NFL and will probably weigh heavier in the NFL's decision to let Vick come back or not.....Vick was ILLEGALLY gambling on these dog fights. Gambling is a big no-no in pro sports.

And before you use the "but Vick wasn't gambling on Football" argument...look what the NFL did to a wealthy and powerful owner for getting caught up in illegal river-boat gambling. Remember Eddie Debartolo??? The ex-owner of the Sf 49ers.

The NFL forced him out PERMANENTLY for illegal gambling. No second chance, no chance to redeem himself.

So Michael Vick definately has an uphill battle to get back into the NFL.

Why is everyone skirting the issue that Vick tortured, electrocuted, hung, and drowned dogs that weren't up to par. That's serial killer mentality right there. If a dog wasn't performing well and you put a bullet to its head is one thing but to take the time, thought, and effort to get out wires and hook them up to an animal and then throw the switch and watch it FRY is sick and twisted.

The man obviously needs therapy to deal with his issues.

JustErin said:

It's the same old "but what they are doing over there is just as bad or worse" excuse to justify their own or someone elses behavior.

Sowhat said:

If that's indeed what they are saying...I'll never, ever understand that mentality.

Bishop31 said:

Oh wow. I missed this comment.

Bishop31 said:

It's not my thing, but I don't have a problem with hunting, as long as hunters follow the rules.

(I got dizzy trying to read loveslave's post).

Sowhat said:

True, but I still feel he should get a second chance.

JustErin said:

Was I too graphic 4 U? Im sorry if I was..I just wanted 2 explain my view on this double standard society has placed on "Housepets" & "Animals". Its no different when u break it down. IMHO if Vick should go 2 jail 4 what he did then they need to Ban Hunting...if its the "animals" they call themselves trying to protect.

He's found Jesus now, so all is well

Bishop31 said:

No it is not acceptable and he is a monster killing and abusing is barbaric there are laws in land and people should abide by them if u do the crime then when caught u do the time. What he done is illegal what hunters & farmer do is not illegal.

With hunting & farming meat production the animal is either shot, electrocuted etc the animals death so I am told is normally swift a relatively pain free I can only speak about what I know from the knowledge I have living in the UK, what a hunter/farmer/slaughterhouses does is not illegal, they have guidelines we have a government agency named one is named DEFRA in the UK part of there work is to look out for the welfare of the animals from birth to death. Those who farm animals have 2 abide by many rules/regulations, here are an example of a few in the UK
1: “The Welfare of Farmed Animals Act (England) Year 2000 Regulations” and
2: “The Animal welfare Act 2006”
3: “The EU welfare standards”
4: “The Welfare of Animals Slaughter/Killing) 1995 Regulations”

All in animal farming are supposed 2 abide by the above regulations and more the animals have to have proper housing, Food for the species and veterinary care, DEFRA Vets make checks at any time with no notice to make sure animals health and living standards are of the regulations. When it comes to slaughter a qualified member of the veterinary profession has to be present, all deaths should be swift and as pain free as possible as to government guidelines.


Dog fighting Is Illegal in the country I reside, In the case of dog fighting the animals die an agonising death, they are tortured and abused daily, there are no rules no one 2 regulate, they do not receive veterinary care and this is why I believe people speak out and abhor these actions.

I do not eat meat I do not agree with killing, I personally see life as a gift be it an animal or a human so a life in my opinion should not be taken.

Empress said:

Don't they all when they get caught? There's enough Muslims in Prison 2 start an Army..