mdiver said:

That's very interesting Phil.

INSATIABLE said:

Well, it would be cruel to do so. Animals can get mopy and lethargic eating soy based feed.

But it doesn't mean you live a cruel free life if ya know what I'm sayin'

Owning a pet at all contributes to this factory farming culture.

Anxiety said:

I really wish you would stop shooting my theories out of the water...its really becoming annoying....

Imago said:

That's it, bottom line.

There's no way to completely avoid it, but that's NO reason to not shoot for the top. It's like anything else. Complete innocence doesn't exist in this situation, but using that as an argument as to why we should all contribute to such a hopeless mindset is not my cup of tea.

INSATIABLE said:

So do you take the stance that Anx eluded to , that whatever our moral or tolerance threashold in supporting the end of unethical practices (if we can agree this means factory farming and overtly cruel practices), that it would be enough?

Or is there a distinct line that needs to be drawn?

Personally, as I struggle with my meat consumption I'm leaning towards a distinct line needing to be drawn--I just dislike the "moral high ground" argument, when in this game, we are all sinners--some more than others.


OMG, thank you so much for acknowledging me on this elitist thread

Anxiety said:

Tofu killer

Imago said:

Imago said:

i'm not saying that it would be "enough", but you would at least have your moral/ethical comfort levels defined and in a place where you can look at your "higher" ideals and figure out how you want to live within those ideals, or if it's worth it, and if it's not worth it, how you're able to reconcile that with yourself (first) and others.

i don't think any living thing lives a 100% airtight cruelty-free existence. that's not an excuse for not caring, but it is a reminder that absolutes are a little pointless.

Imago said:

Well, I hate to agree with Chris on anything, but we're all wired differently and can't agree on anything other than it's nice when someone tilts your head back and sprays whipped cream in your mouth and that sunlight feels good on your face after a long rain. Agreeing on a "distinct line"? Impossible!

Do what you can, if you're so inclined, and that's as much as anyone can realistically ask.

We've all created such vastly different realities in our heads, and most people live their lives as victims to stone-cold truths that exist OUTSIDE of themselves, when in fact, it's quite the opposite. Because of this, people will have different "levels" on which their "distinct line" can be drawn.

Imago said:

This thread is about animals not you coming out of the closet

mdiver said:

INSATIABLE said:

Anxiety said:

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Anxiety said:

VEGETARIANS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!!
---Carrot Marx.

Imago said:

evenstar3 said:

I have had to use that phrase a lot lately

surely I am going to hell...I took Phil to get steak last night.

Steadwood said:

someone better save your spelling first, shit

Anxiety said:

That's a mute point

Steadwood said:

errrrr its moot point mate

mdiver said:

He might not notice

Anxiety said:

move over Lisa Lampanelli, ANXY is the new queen of mean!!

go! go! go!

weepingwall said:

Anxiety said:

Hang on!.... what's up with the spelling

Imago said:

Cats are obligate carnivores and as such need to be fed a meat based diet. To try to force a cat to adapt to a soy based diet would in its own way be animal cruelty. Can't win for losing, huh?

If it is a big enough concern, one could feed a fresh diet with meat obtained from non-commercial farming sources. There is a lot of information available regarding feeding fresh home-prepared diets for cats and dogs.

Another vegetarian on board.

I woke up one morning two years ago and just decided I didn't want meat anymore. I hadn't thought of it beforehand, no preparation, no planning, no commitment at the time. Heck, we had just purchased and processed half a cow and put it in the freezer the same weekend I decided I didn't want meat. I haven't eaten it since. I did spend a brief period since as a vegan, but cheese and eggs are a lot harder to give up than meat. Oh well, I do buy organic and free range, for what that's worth.

I don't think it would take much for me to guilt myself into going vegan again.