JustErin said:

Was I too graphic 4 U? Im sorry if I was..I just wanted 2 explain my view on this double standard society has placed on "Housepets" & "Animals". Its no different when u break it down. IMHO if Vick should go 2 jail 4 what he did then they need to Ban Hunting...if its the "animals" they call themselves trying to protect.

Sowhat said:

True, but I still feel he should get a second chance.

Bishop31 said:

No it is not acceptable and he is a monster killing and abusing is barbaric there are laws in land and people should abide by them if u do the crime then when caught u do the time. What he done is illegal what hunters & farmer do is not illegal.

With hunting & farming meat production the animal is either shot, electrocuted etc the animals death so I am told is normally swift a relatively pain free I can only speak about what I know from the knowledge I have living in the UK, what a hunter/farmer/slaughterhouses does is not illegal, they have guidelines we have a government agency named one is named DEFRA in the UK part of there work is to look out for the welfare of the animals from birth to death. Those who farm animals have 2 abide by many rules/regulations, here are an example of a few in the UK
1: “The Welfare of Farmed Animals Act (England) Year 2000 Regulations” and
2: “The Animal welfare Act 2006”
3: “The EU welfare standards”
4: “The Welfare of Animals Slaughter/Killing) 1995 Regulations”

All in animal farming are supposed 2 abide by the above regulations and more the animals have to have proper housing, Food for the species and veterinary care, DEFRA Vets make checks at any time with no notice to make sure animals health and living standards are of the regulations. When it comes to slaughter a qualified member of the veterinary profession has to be present, all deaths should be swift and as pain free as possible as to government guidelines.


Dog fighting Is Illegal in the country I reside, In the case of dog fighting the animals die an agonising death, they are tortured and abused daily, there are no rules no one 2 regulate, they do not receive veterinary care and this is why I believe people speak out and abhor these actions.

I do not eat meat I do not agree with killing, I personally see life as a gift be it an animal or a human so a life in my opinion should not be taken.

Bishop31 said:

Graphic for me?? No.

I'm just having a real hard time understanding how you can't see the difference between a quick death and a prolonged, painful death full of torture meant to get someone off. Sure, the end result is the same...but the methods can not be dismissed.

So, I now know that you feel all of it is wrong. That's cool, so do I...but I do not think that Vick is being made out to be worse than he really is, in any way shape or form.

Depending on what Vick does between now and when he gets out of jail I agree with you but rightly or wrongly....they didn't give Eddie Debartolo a second chance. So there is history there against Vick.

JustErin said:

I feel U. But ur signature "..Choke me, Choke Me, Choke Me.." has me questioning ur views on pain.

Bishop31 said:

Oh, I like pain myself...just not pain resulting in death.

Sowhat said:

Hey, it's all up to Goodell. If he decides to ban Vick for life, I'm not going to go out there and protest about it. Instead of the NAACP, Rev.Al & Jesse worrying about dopes like Vick, they should concentrate their energies on REAL issues(like the sh!t going down in places like Newark).

And if a rich and powerful WHITE owner was banned for life first for illegal gambling (not even on Football), then if Michael Vick gets a lifetime ban for illegally gambling (not even on Football), the NCCCP and the Revs Al & Jesse don't have any argument at all IMHO.

And yes, there are other ligitimate and pressing issues that could much better use their time, resources and energies.

Sowhat said:

It's not like the white man FORCED Vick to engage in stupid, illegal sh!t.

Sowhat said:

It's not like the white man FORCED Vick to engage in stupid, illegal sh!t.

I'm not trying to make Vick any less than a peice of shit human being but guys, come on. The meat industry is cruel to animals everyday and if shooting animals in the head for sport ain't cruel, I don't know what the hell is.

Lothan said:

But it's 4 our consumption..so..its OK

If we shoot Mike Vick.....then eat him....does that make it right?

I'm not trying to make Vick any less than a peice of shit human being but guys, come on. The meat industry is cruel to animals everyday and if shooting animals in the head for sport ain't cruel, I don't know what the hell is.

Lothan said:

I don't think anyone here has said that hunting isn't cruel.

And I have seen threads on here about the meat industry, animal cruelty, etc...several in fact. And what ALWAYS happens is people go in there and say that people should concentrate on real tragedies in the world, not this silly animal stuff - like we can only care about one or the other and not both.

But again, I fail to fully understand what your argument is here. That what he did is not so bad because worse happens in the world or that all that shit is horrible and more should be done about all of it?

JustErin said:

The latter. I just think it's hypocritical that one goes unpunished.

Yes, there have been threads here and yes sometimes people say we should focus more on the tragedies of the world but sometimes you gotta say fuck those people. We should scream and yell about all atrocities.

We should scream and yell about all atrocities.

Lothan said:

Are we hypocrites though, if we eat meat? I'm sure you've seen clips of the poultry and cattle farms? The fast food documentaries, etc?

I'm unwavering of the belief that the owners of these dogs are garbage, but I feel like a clown when I'm 'screaming and yelling' at these 'atrocities'.

Why do I even care? God forbid I get any work done today.

Well, this won't be popular but Marbury is right. We have more love for domesticated animals than animals such as deer, cows, etc. What Vick did was evil but no less evil to me than killing animals for sport.

Exactly. Hunting for sport = Dogfighting for sport = Same thing: Despicable acts and senseless acts of violence against animals. Case closed.

MuthaFunka said:

Well, blowing away Bambi with a high-powered rifle may be cruel, but it's legal. And good luck trying to get hunting banned - the NRA would have something to say about that.

Why is everyone skirting the issue that Vick tortured, electrocuted, hung, and drowned dogs that weren't up to par. That's serial killer mentality right there. If a dog wasn't performing well and you put a bullet to its head is one thing but to take the time, thought, and effort to get out wires and hook them up to an animal and then throw the switch and watch it FRY is sick and twisted.

The man obviously needs therapy to deal with his issues.

I am 100% with you on this then.

We should care about all things like this because, whether the victim is animal or human, the person doing the victimizing is in serious need of help. We need to start figuring out why people are doing these horrible acts in the first place and start focusing on preventing this shit instead of just punishing after the fact.

MuthaFunka said:

Well, blowing away Bambi with a high-powered rifle may be cruel, but it's legal. And good luck trying to get hunting banned - the NRA would have something to say about that.

Vick pissed away his career for engaging in illegal activity - pure & simple.

uPtoWnNY said:

Right. Hmm? Wasn't slavery legal?