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Monsters Ball This is REALLY REALLY late... but, I just recently saw the movie "Monsters Ball" with Halle Berry (the one she won the oscar for)
and  that movie is just a long PORNO! lol... It was a porno with a story line... it could have been made at the playboy channel and no one would have known the difference... How degrading that the first African American woman to win for a leading role wins for a Porn, instead of someone like Whoopie for "Color Purple" or Angela Bassett for "What's Love got To do With It" or for Malcolm X... WHITE PEOPLE JUST PLAY AFRICAN AMERICANS LIKE CHESS AND ALWAYS WIN!
Shame on Halle for dragging her race through the mud. She was on TV last year saying "the scene was absolutely crucial for the story line" What a load of CRAP! lol... The director just wanted to see her ass naked! what an idiot! She fell for that pathetic line... There are other ways of expressing the emotions of two characters than sex... 3 of the love scenes were not even necessary for the movie!!! It did not take away or gave anything to the scene or the characters!!!  lol This movie is going to change how movies are made and what is permitted on film. 5 years from now all the major stars will be having hard core sex on screen and it will acceptable and okay, and I DON'T EVEN WANT TO THINK OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE 10 OR MORE YEARS FROM NOW! LOL... It's a sad sad sad thing...  | |
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wow...well, your free to have your opinion jmg1...but, i saw nothing "pornographic" about this movie...
and if Boys Dont Cry's (damn, why cant i recall her name) win in Oscar for being completly naked and getting raped...and if Jody Foster can be naked...and if Jane Fonda can get naked...and if many other white woman can get naked and get f*cked in their films...I say, bring on them black nipples!! MORE POWER TO THEM!! btw: from an artistic perspective...Halle and Billy Bob's performances *made* this film...the character arcs they created (mainly from silence) were awe inspiring...this movie is subpar at best...but the two of their performances *made* the film work..and for that, she is worthy of the win... and did you see the other performance? Nicole Kidman overacted her way to a nomination, Renee Zelwiger (sic?) was nominated for a light comedy (which everyone knows never gets to win...even though they should), Judy Dench walked her way though another good performance but the movie stunk even more so then Monster's Ball.. now, the one person who deserved to win over Halle was Sissy Spaceck..but, some argued that her role was too small and that she should have recieved a supporting nomination...others say that since she won the majority of the other acting awards that it was time to honor someone else...and then, others would point out that its been over 20 years since a actress over 40 has won a leading oscar... soo much is at play with the Oscars...and while race can come into play, it doesnt *force* a win... Halle deserved it...brown nipples and all... and the edit goes to..... [This message was edited Sun Oct 6 21:34:07 PDT 2002 by SkletonKee] | |
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ohh...btw:many people complained about Whoopie's win for Ghost..even though many critics and *other* actors pointed out that her role (making you, the audience, believe she is one with the ghosts) was a tough acting trick to pull off...they complained that it was the typical "black" role...they also complained about The Color Purple for portraying black men in a negative light..(same goes for Beloved which in my opinion is the *best* film ever made about black life in America)...Some even complained about What's Love Got To Do With it...why all the hate for the black man? thats what critics complained about...
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I agree- I did think that the sex scenes were gratuitous -- I'm glad I didn't view it with my parents! 
Defenders of these scenes claim that they were so explicit because they were needed to convey the fact that the characters had to release their anger and despair by fucking. And that's what it was - fucking - not even sex, really. Almost animalistic in its fierceness. Halle Berry and Billy Bob Thornton's characters were so desperate that they just needed to let go of that negative energy. They were also both very lonely at this point, and saw in each other a common bond. Still - the scenes were unnecessarily graphic. It was just over the top. Other than that, I thought the film was really thought-provoking and well-acted, although overrated as a whole. | |
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SK, let me just say that I totally agree with the part that Halle did absolutely the best job she has ever done in any movie. She has (in my eyes) never ever been able to play a down and out, low class, ghetto poor woman (which she has played in about 4 roles and has failed miserably) She has even played crack heads and looked ridiculous cuz I ain't never seen such a gorgeous crack head in my life LOL@Halle. But I think that those movies have definatetly paid off cuz this performance of a ghetto poor woman was excellant... she actually got the manerisms, speach, posture and everything else down perfectly! But the movie is still an over hyped porn | |
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PS
I also wanted to add that I really thought Halle Berry was wonderful before this movie. I thought she was extremely classy and sophisticated, and over all very down to earth and genuine about her "effort" to play good roles, but I have lost all respect for her after seeing this movie Plain and simple she is a complete and total sell out [This message was edited Sun Oct 6 21:52:28 PDT 2002 by JMG1] | |
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thescandalouslife said: I agree- I did think that the sex scenes were gratuitous -- I'm glad I didn't view it with my parents!
Defenders of these scenes claim that they were so explicit because they were needed to convey the fact that the characters had to release their anger and despair by fucking. And that's what it was - fucking - not even sex, really. Almost animalistic in its fierceness. Halle Berry and Billy Bob Thornton's characters were so desperate that they just needed to let go of that negative energy. They were also both very lonely at this point, and saw in each other a common bond. Still - the scenes were unnecessarily graphic. It was just over the top. Other than that, I thought the film was really thought-provoking and well-acted, although overrated as a whole. Very nicely said scandalous. I wish you would posts here more often.  | |
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2the9s said: thescandalouslife said: I agree- I did think that the sex scenes were gratuitous -- I'm glad I didn't view it with my parents!
Defenders of these scenes claim that they were so explicit because they were needed to convey the fact that the characters had to release their anger and despair by fucking. And that's what it was - fucking - not even sex, really. Almost animalistic in its fierceness. Halle Berry and Billy Bob Thornton's characters were so desperate that they just needed to let go of that negative energy. They were also both very lonely at this point, and saw in each other a common bond. Still - the scenes were unnecessarily graphic. It was just over the top. Other than that, I thought the film was really thought-provoking and well-acted, although overrated as a whole. Very nicely said scandalous. I wish you would posts here more often. Said the spider to the fly...  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: 2the9s said: thescandalouslife said: I agree- I did think that the sex scenes were gratuitous -- I'm glad I didn't view it with my parents!
Defenders of these scenes claim that they were so explicit because they were needed to convey the fact that the characters had to release their anger and despair by fucking. And that's what it was - fucking - not even sex, really. Almost animalistic in its fierceness. Halle Berry and Billy Bob Thornton's characters were so desperate that they just needed to let go of that negative energy. They were also both very lonely at this point, and saw in each other a common bond. Still - the scenes were unnecessarily graphic. It was just over the top. Other than that, I thought the film was really thought-provoking and well-acted, although overrated as a whole. Very nicely said scandalous. I wish you would posts here more often. Said the spider to the fly...  Supernova | |
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thescandalouslife said: I agree- I did think that the sex scenes were gratuitous -- I'm glad I didn't view it with my parents!
Defenders of these scenes claim that they were so explicit because they were needed to convey the fact that the characters had to release their anger and despair by fucking. And that's what it was - fucking - not even sex, really. Almost animalistic in its fierceness. Halle Berry and Billy Bob Thornton's characters were so desperate that they just needed to let go of that negative energy. They were also both very lonely at this point, and saw in each other a common bond. Still - the scenes were unnecessarily graphic. It was just over the top. Other than that, I thought the film was really thought-provoking and well-acted, although overrated as a whole. Thank you! | |
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Halle Berry in a porno?
I've just got to see this now.  When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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bkw said: Halle Berry in a porno?
I've just got to see this now. honey, u just took the words right out of the director's mouth! | |
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JMG1 said: PS
I also wanted to add that I really thought Halle Berry was wonderful before this movie. I thought she was extremely classy and sophisticated, and over all very down to earth and genuine about her "effort" to play good roles, but I have lost all respect for her after seeing this movie Plain and simple she is a complete and total sell out errr...remove the notion of an actor/actress playing a character and judge the character's actions on their own... i know this is hard when you see people like Tom Hanks or Tom Cruise pretty much playing themselves on screen..but even they are allowed develope as actors...are we putting *more* responsiblity on black actors/actresses because of the color of their skin? not fair i say... like ive said before: Jane Fonda played a hooker for Klute and won an Oscar...Ditto Mira Sorveno...Jody Foster got naked and got gang banged and the film allowed for personal interpretion that the bang might have been justifiable...woman or white people didnt get all up-iddy on her... many other actresses have started off in skanky roles...Angelina Jolie comes to mind...check out her back catalog... i was disgusted by what Halle's character did in that movie..i also sympathized with her...she (spoiler here...do not read) lost her freakin son...i dont blame Halle Berry though..I blame the character's situation...I blame the stupid hateful world this character was surrounded by... should we hate Tom Hanks for playing a hitman in his current film? | |
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further more...nobody seems to disgusted by the hot lesbo sex scene in Mulholand Dr..
no...quiet the reverse...they are now the hottest up and coming actresses in town
no wonder black female actresses are a rare bread...they get knocked down from all sides... | |
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That's because there are inherent stereotypes about Black women and sexuality as opposed to other women. Just as there are about Black men. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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SkletonKee said: ..(same goes for Beloved which in my opinion is the *best* film ever made about black life in America)...
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Supernova said: That's because there are inherent stereotypes about Black women and sexuality as opposed to other women. Just as there are about Black men.
and so we are not allowed to play characters who could have attributes that are similiar to stereotypes? even when these characters are part of a script that is far superior to the majority of what's written for black actors? even when these characters (while flawed by their actions) are fully written and fleshed out roles? something that, as an actor is very rare to come by? we just ignore these roles? to do more boomerang and barbershop films? i think theres room for all of em...stereotypes be damn!!! | |
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AaronForever said: SkletonKee said: ..(same goes for Beloved which in my opinion is the *best* film ever made about black life in America)...
oh yeah...
for me, it was the first time i *understood*, visually, the horrors of being a slave...but then, I have yet to see roots..so dont hold this to me for the rest of my life... Beloved (in twenty years) will go down in history as one of the best ever made...but then I could be bias...just thinking about the horrors that my ancestors went through...tears flowed through out the majority of this film... all the while all the white woman who were Oprah fans laughed and kept complaining and making comments like "this is an Oprah movie?" and "this isnt what I thought it would be..its not light-hearted like Oprah is on he show"...*they* said this *during* the film..which made the pain and reality of what I saw on the screen even more pained... | |
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The only problem with your examples is that white america has plenty of people reppin them on screen. There are plenty of White movie stars to carry out ALL TYPES of different characters. but when it comes to blacks there are two major stars that are considered at the same level as the white actors $$$ and acting wise. which is Halle and Denzel... and 90% of African American movies are with stereotypical ghetto characters. Therefore, African Americans have to raise the bar...
SkletonKee said: JMG1 said: PS
I also wanted to add that I really thought Halle Berry was wonderful before this movie. I thought she was extremely classy and sophisticated, and over all very down to earth and genuine about her "effort" to play good roles, but I have lost all respect for her after seeing this movie Plain and simple she is a complete and total sell out errr...remove the notion of an actor/actress playing a character and judge the character's actions on their own... i know this is hard when you see people like Tom Hanks or Tom Cruise pretty much playing themselves on screen..but even they are allowed develope as actors...are we putting *more* responsiblity on black actors/actresses because of the color of their skin? not fair i say... like ive said before: Jane Fonda played a hooker for Klute and won an Oscar...Ditto Mira Sorveno...Jody Foster got naked and got gang banged and the film allowed for personal interpretion that the bang might have been justifiable...woman or white people didnt get all up-iddy on her... many other actresses have started off in skanky roles...Angelina Jolie comes to mind...check out her back catalog... i was disgusted by what Halle's character did in that movie..i also sympathized with her...she (spoiler here...do not read) lost her freakin son...i dont blame Halle Berry though..I blame the character's situation...I blame the stupid hateful world this character was surrounded by... should we hate Tom Hanks for playing a hitman in his current film? | |
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SkletonKee said: Supernova said: That's because there are inherent stereotypes about Black women and sexuality as opposed to other women. Just as there are about Black men.
and so we are not allowed to play characters who could have attributes that are similiar to stereotypes? even when these characters are part of a script that is far superior to the majority of what's written for black actors? even when these characters (while flawed by their actions) are fully written and fleshed out roles? something that, as an actor is very rare to come by? we just ignore these roles? to do more boomerang and barbershop films? i think theres room for all of em...stereotypes be damn!!! When I said that I was speaking about those stereotypes in general, not the movie, because I haven't seen it and therefore, don't have an opinion of the movie specifically. I've only read about it many times since its release. From what I've read, if it's accurate, the plot in some areas is implausible and far-fetched. If I had saved that article I'd post it, but I don't think I do. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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SkletonKee said: AaronForever said: SkletonKee said: ..(same goes for Beloved which in my opinion is the *best* film ever made about black life in America)...
oh yeah...
for me, it was the first time i *understood*, visually, the horrors of being a slave...but then, I have yet to see roots..so dont hold this to me for the rest of my life... Beloved (in twenty years) will go down in history as one of the best ever made...but then I could be bias...just thinking about the horrors that my ancestors went through...tears flowed through out the majority of this film... well it may be one of the few movies that touches on that theme well... but as a movie it's really rotten. | |
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JMG1 said: The only problem with your examples is that white america has plenty of people reppin them on screen. There are plenty of White movie stars to carry out ALL TYPES of different characters. but when it comes to blacks there are two major stars that are considered at the same level as the white actors $$$ and acting wise. which is Halle and Denzel... and 90% of African American movies are with stereotypical ghetto characters. Therefore, African Americans have to raise the bar...
I soo disagre...right now African Americans are *starting* to enjoy diversity.. Top Money Makers: Eddie Murphy Will Smith Chris Tucker Martin Lawrence Denzel Washington Each man earns 20K or more per movie...Smith and Washington play anything but stereotypical roles... all lets not discredit the black film boom...BarberShop is one of this years surpise hits...Brown Sugar just recieved two huge thumbs up from Ebert & Ropert (they pointed the quality script and thought out characters for their support), Undercover Bros is one of *the* most critically harolded comedies this year... its diverse right now...but we shouldnt stop letting *all* actors challenge their craft...if the script is good, i say go for it.. flesh out a racist (why isnt Ralph Fienes attacked for playing a Nazi leader?) or a serial killer (uhh Anthony Hopkins)...if the writting is good...act it. then let us discuss the behavior of the characters actions, after the movie is over. | |
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JMG1 said: There are plenty of White movie stars to carry out ALL TYPES of different characters.
This deserves to be posted again just to be posted again. The main problem is that there are not enough wide-ranging roles for non-Whites. That would help a lot. It's either this, or that in most cases for Black actors. Whatever a White character plays, no matter how vile, it is balanced out by so many other great roles that other White actors play. The quality roles aren't in quantity for Black actors. Quality roles in general aren't easy to come by, but they're easier to come by for non-Black actors. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: When I said that I was speaking about those stereotypes in general, not the movie, because I haven't seen it and therefore, don't have an opinion of the movie specifically. I've only read about it many times since its release. From what I've read, if it's accurate, the plot in some areas is implausible and far-fetched. If I had saved that article I'd post it, but I don't think I do.
but arent you the same person that excused prince's references of Abe Lincoln as a way to get us to discuss race relations? shouldnt that same right be given to actors and script writers? and i disagree with the assumption that the *act* was implausible or far-fetched...these two people were denied emotional connection their entire lives...the story creates numerous meetings before a romantic connection is ever implied...not until *both* characters reach a low point in their lives (and after drinking a lot i might add) did they hit the floor and f*ck... id be interested in what you have to say, after you see the film... | |
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SkletonKee said: JMG1 said: The only problem with your examples is that white america has plenty of people reppin them on screen. There are plenty of White movie stars to carry out ALL TYPES of different characters. but when it comes to blacks there are two major stars that are considered at the same level as the white actors $$$ and acting wise. which is Halle and Denzel... and 90% of African American movies are with stereotypical ghetto characters. Therefore, African Americans have to raise the bar...
I soo disagre...right now African Americans are *starting* to enjoy diversity.. Top Money Makers: Eddie Murphy Will Smith Chris Tucker Martin Lawrence Denzel Washington Each man earns 20K or more per movie...Smith and Washington play anything but stereotypical roles... all lets not discredit the black film boom...BarberShop is one of this years surpise hits...Brown Sugar just recieved two huge thumbs up from Ebert & Ropert (they pointed the quality script and thought out characters for their support), Undercover Bros is one of *the* most critically harolded comedies this year... its diverse right now...but we shouldnt stop letting *all* actors challenge their craft...if the script is good, i say go for it.. Most of what you're talking about are comedies. Is there nothing else Blacks can do besides mostly comedies? This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: This deserves to be posted again just to be posted again. The main problem is that there are not enough wide-ranging roles for non-Whites. That would help a lot. It's either this, or that in most cases for Black actors. Whatever a White character plays, no matter how vile, it is balanced out by so many other great roles that other White actors play. The quality roles aren't in quantity for Black actors. Quality roles in general aren't easy to come by, but they're easier to come by for non-Black actors.
when you have Don Cheadle, Michael Clark Duncan, Samuel L Jackson are all playing non-stereotypical roles...i just *cant* agree.. maybe my perspective is a litle clearer because im a die-hard cinema-buff...but, i see many characters on the screen of late...and im excited by the diversity... | |
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SkletonKee said: Supernova said: When I said that I was speaking about those stereotypes in general, not the movie, because I haven't seen it and therefore, don't have an opinion of the movie specifically. I've only read about it many times since its release. From what I've read, if it's accurate, the plot in some areas is implausible and far-fetched. If I had saved that article I'd post it, but I don't think I do.
but arent you the same person that excused prince's references of Abe Lincoln as a way to get us to discuss race relations? Not sure what you're getting at here, 'splain yourself. shouldnt that same right be given to actors and script writers? and i disagree with the assumption that the *act* was implausible or far-fetched.
Lord, did you read what I said. I said, "From what I've read, if it's accurate, the plot in some areas is implausible and far-fetched." I never said anything about the "act". [This message was edited Sun Oct 6 22:38:41 PDT 2002 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: Most of what you're talking about are comedies. Is there nothing else Blacks can do besides mostly comedies?
Have you seen Changing Lanes with Samuel L Jackson? Ali with Will Smith? Eddie Murphy in Bowfinger? Don Cheadle and Bernie Mac in Ocean Eleven? Eriq La Salle in One Hour Photo? | |
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