Man dies after beating by mob
Tuesday, October 1, 2002 Posted: 8:25 PM EDT (0025 GMT)



Charlie Young Jr., shown in this November 2000 handout, was beaten to death by a mob of nearly 20 youths.




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MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin (AP) -- A man savagely beaten with rakes, shovels and baseball bats by a child mob died Tuesday as authorities held nine youths in custody, and sought seven more.

The group of children, ages 10 to 18, attacked Charlie Young Jr. late Sunday after a fight that started when one of the children tossed an egg at him, police said.

Young, 36, suffered severe brain injuries and was hospitalized in critical condition after the attack. He died Tuesday, said Froedtert Memorial Lutheran Hospital spokesman Mark McLaughlin.

"It was unhuman what they did," the victim's brother, Keith Young, told WTMJ-TV.

Police Chief Arthur Jones said about 16 to 20 young men who had gathered Sunday night prodded a 10-year-old to throw an egg at Young. The egg hit the Milwaukee man in the shoulder, and he started chasing the boy. But a 14-year-old got between the two, and Young punched him, knocking out a tooth.

Several of the youths then banded together to attack Young, Jones said. They chased him onto the porch of a house on the city's north side and pummeled him, leaving blood spattered from floor to ceiling, police said.

Young managed to briefly escape into the house, but the mob dragged him back outside and beat him until police responded to a neighbor's 911 call, the landlord said.

Young apparently was a random victim, Jones said.

"We have no reason to believe they (the youths) knew this was Mr. Young or they targeted Mr. Young," Jones said.

The nine youths taken into custody likely will be charged Wednesday, Jones said, though he didn't know if they would be charged as adults or juveniles.


- Now if THAT doesn't make you sick...
[This message was edited Tue Oct 1 20:53:39 PDT 2002 by BattierBeMyDaddy]

damn..what can we do to teach accountability to this kids? errr, this is heartbreaking...

Those mob/gang situations can get easily out of hand.

It seems to be human instinct for certain people to get out of control in this type of situation. Just look at those LA riots after the Rodney King verdict.

I'm not excusing their actions by the way. Just saying that the mob mentality is a dangerous thing.

bkw said:

Or when the bulls won the championship,or the dallas cowboys,or the lakers.People are fucked up right now.
No respect for life at all and it starts at the top from the president on down.

4LOVE said:

Exactly. That King situation was the first to come into my head but there are lots of examples across all creads.

Bullshit. The egg throwing may have been random, the dragging from the house to beat him to death was not. What a bunch of low life assholes.

Supernova said:

But at the same time, the guy was 36, and he was going to kick some 10 year old boy's ass? Just for throwing an egg? Then he punched a 14 year old boy because he 'got in the way'?

It's a shame that it happened... but I dunno...

Natsume said:

If they pummeled him and he ran into the house, as the article says, there is no sound reason for them to go inside and drag him out to beat the crap out of him again, right? He was obviously scared, and obviously had stopped and ran. They taught him a lesson if he ran into the house. To bring him back out and continue to LITERALLY slaughter him goes beyond defending the kid.

Supernova said:

I agree with you there... I just wonder if the whole incident could have been avoided if he didn't go after them in the first place. Or maybe they were just thirstin for some blood and didn't even need to be provoked... who knows? Tis a senseless tragedy, regardless...

I heard about this story this morning on the radio. Not a happy way to start the day. It's a sick world we live in...

I wonder what rock band/movie/mtv video will get blamed for this...

craziness

endorphin74 said:

reminds me of the movie Kids. that scene always scares me

Natsume said:

Yeah, senseless is the word, I agree. I had heard about it earlier today, but the radio station I was listening to didn't say the man died, I didn't know he died till reading that article. I agree that he shouldn't have chased the kid (because he was a grown man and the kid was just that, a 10 year old kid), but the kids took it too far after the man tried to get away. It just sickens me. Self defense is fine, but ... damn, an all out slaughter after he had surrendered and ran into a house...

Anyway you look at it is senseless.A thirtysix year old man punches a fourteen year old kid so hard he knockes his tooth out.Or a bunch of kids who don't have any respect for their elders of better yet life in general.This type of stuff really saddens me.
[This message was edited Tue Oct 1 22:49:21 PDT 2002 by 4LOVE]

Word is that the neighborhood is a bad one and the conflicts between those neighbors has been tense for years. I've lived in bad neighborhoods. Sometimes you feel like you're going to snap, wig out, go crazy. I'd think the egg was the final straw for him -- it had all built up until that point. The other kids just used his chasing a 10-year old as their justification to finally do him in.

4LOVE said:

If some 14 year old or 10 year old punk threw an egg at me, I'd prolly go after them too. It's not much different, even though I'm 16. Legally able to whip their ass. That's still an age advantage, and most likely, a size advantage.

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

You get 'em, Battier!

Supernova said:

Eggs are bad.

I saw this in the news.


When I saw that this took place in Wisconsin the first thing I thought was that these kids were probably taunting the 10 yr old 2 throw an egg at him because he was a black man. There's a lot of KKK's in those parts and just generally anti-black sentiment. I wouldnt b surprised if the parents of these little punks r racist.


2 them.

Supernova said:

I believe what they meant by random victim is that they did now know him b4 this happened. Theyre not saying that beating the guys ass wasnt deliberate theyre just saying it was 4 no reason, thus random. Calm down.

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[This message was edited Wed Oct 2 13:08:30 PDT 2002 by Nep2nes]

Nep2nes said:

I know exactly what they meant. And I'm as calm as a cat that just had an entire week of pampering, I don't know why anyone would take it any other way.

:purrr:

Nep2nes said:

uhh...the lil kids were *black*...

Nep2nes said:

I was disappointed when I heard that this took place in my fair city of Milwaukee (a pretty great town, actually).

But KKK's? Seldom do they parade down Wisconsin avenue in the white robes and burning crosses. I don't believe they have much of a presence here.

However, Milwaukee is known to to have a real segregation problem. Not a hate crime problem, not a drive-by shooting problem. But a segregation problem.

4LOVE said:

i have to concur in this assesment of the stuation...
whut is to be done when a grown man knocks out the teeth of a kid on the street??? didn't he know???
and now whut is to be done with these oversized kids
that perpertrated such a vile act against one unarmed individual???
has anyone concidered the untold story leading up to the thrown egg...
there is no rite in this, but cooler heads would have prevailed i'm sure.
whut is an egg on some cleanable matierial (not worth yo life)
who said you should take this into your own hands, in stead of going to the parents???
who said you should play with kids, then get angree over anthing they do in play???
who said life is mob proof???
everyone is appauled to hear of this, i'm sure, but
one shouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly...
who's to say the parent would not have taken the same action...
KingBAD:"if you do violence to mine, the law will only have to deal with me."
but then i'm ghetto, RIGHT???

Rudy said:

We have KKK in Kentucky, of course. They're allowed to assemble. As a matter of fact, there was a big thing about it not long ago in either Bowling Green, or Louisville. I can't recall. They were allowed out in public, you know, for some sort of convention. On that same day, they held some sort of love thing for all the non-KKK people of the city.

Okay, I'm going to be a cornball and go out on a limb by saying... I saw Sarafina! Sarafina! -- and there's a scene where the kids gang up on a corrupt constable, beat him, throw gasoline on him and set him aflame.

It was harsh but it happened because violence begat violence.

But in this situation, what kind of hatred would move a child to lash out so violently?

Is this a product of what we have taught them? Via video games, internet, television, movies and music?

Where are their parents? The adult is not blameless in this but the children. THEY ARE CHILDREN.

What does this say about what we feed them intellectually and spiritually?

00769BAD said:

But the parents didn't, BAD MAN, the kids did. Had the parents did it, in the exact same situation it would have been a crime too. If there is nothing dishonest about the article (which has nothing to do with Battier posting it, but the media), then the man fled into a house and they ran after him and dragged him out to slaughter him to death.

Only A Lad - Oingo Boingo

Johnny was bad, even as a child everybody could tell
Everyone said if you don't get straight
You'll surely go to hell

But Johnny didn't care
He was an outlaw by the time that he was
Ten years old
He didn't wanna do what he was told
Just a prankster, juvenile gangster

His teachers didn't understand
They kicked him out of school
At a tender early age
Just because he didn't want to learn things
(Had other interests)
He liked to burn things

The lady down the block
She had a radio that Johnny wanted oh so bad
So he took it the first chance he had
Then he shot her in the leg
And this is what she said
Only a lad
You really can't blame him
Only a lad
Society made him
Only a lad
He's our responsibility
Only a lad
He really couldn't help it
Only a lad
He didn't want to do it
Only a lad
He's underprivileged and abused
Perhaps a little bit confused

His parents gave up they couldn't influence his attitude
Nobody could help
The little man had no gratitude

And when he stole the car
Nobody dreamed that he would
Try to take it so far
He didn't mean to hit the poor man
Who had to go and die
It made the judge cry

Only a lad
He really couldn't help it
Only a lad
He didn't want to do it
Only a lad
He's underprivileged and abused
Perhaps a little bit confused

It's not his fault that he can't believe
It's not his fault that he can't behave
Society made him go astray
Perhaps if we're nice he'll go away
Perhaps he'll go away
He'll go away

(Repeat chorus)

Hey there Johnny you really don't fool me
You get away with murder
And you think it's funny
You don't give a damn if we live or if we die
Hey there Johnny boy
I hope you fry!

...
[This message was edited Wed Oct 2 15:24:00 PDT 2002 by IceNine]

nLA said:

I don't think so. I mean, I listen to plenty of "bad" things and watch movies with violence, and I've yet to want to go out and kill anyone, or be violent just because I saw some cool guy on a movie do it. :-p I play Xena a lot on Playstation, but haven't tried to fashion my own chakram to slice someone's head off with...

It's all in whether your parents taught you at a young age that the things you see on TV aren't real.

Supernova said:

you picked the line to quote... (smile)
i never said it was rite, and a mob of parents imo would not have done the thing.
i said i would have done the same, not caring whos house he went in, aboout my child... it's an awful statement to be sure, but for mine there is no higher law than me...
At That Time (i might add)
i simpythize with the families that have to deal with it now (oops, i know there's a Y in there somewhere)
but then i've heard of people gettin trampled at games, and concerts, just cause they were to slow and weak...
anyway enough of my ramblings

Reading this, as a former Milwaukeean, makes me feel doubly bad! BUT, this is not happening ONLY in wi. as we all know. it is a problem EVERYWHERE! criminals, such as these YOUNG kids, r popping up more and more. what is the answer? plus, their ages r dropping all the time. why? something has to be done to change this. what? who has the answers? why are these young kids getting more and more violent? is it because there are more mothers at work instead of home raising these kids? what is different nowadays that wasnt happening decades ago? something is not right here. this is our new "breed" of criminal-these youngsters. they are not getting the guidance they need, and discipline and education... can we change this? turn this thing around and stop it? how? very difficult questions...but if we dont take this VERY SERIOUSLY it will get worse! this is where we need 2 work together as different races, sexes and ages, of all educational backgrounds to come to a solution to prevent these acts of crime. i think, personally, mothers need to take a more active role in their childs lives, and if that means not working, not keeping up with the jones'es while their kids are young, so b it. money plays too active a part in so many of our greedy lives today. we all have to have the best of everything. but, wheres the pride we as mothers get from being proud of raising a child to be proud of? worth LOTS MORE THAN MONEY AND POSSESSIONS. no, i dont think this is a panacea for it all, (mothers staying home) because there IS much more...like the important role of the father, the importance of a 2 parent home, (without battles) the best education one can provide 4 their child, the importance of introducing GOD and his teachings, making sure kids r kept busy doing constructive activities, knowing where your kids r ALL THE TIME, being as much a part of the childs life as possible to guide and love them etc. these r no easy tasks! they cant be done half-ass however! yes, some families NEED both parents 2 work, but children can understand the difference between needing to and just wanting to so u can have MORE. the needy families rally round helping each other, getting closer because of it. this type of family has, in itself, lots of love, sharing and very good examples to show their kids. call me old fashioned, but this is what i believe. it all STARTS at HOME. with mom.